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bee Group: Members Posts: 1227 Joined: Jan. 2004 Posted: Dec. 08 2005, 15:38 I noticed on the BBC website, Radio2 are holding a kind of poll to find which year had 'the best' music. Ranging from the 1950's to the present day, it also mentions that in 1973 it was Mike Oldfield that launched Virgin Records. Ofcourse, it's Pink Floyd that get mentioned first, but Tubular Bells does get recognition..and that pleases me. So, I've voted...why don't you all have a think about it? The info from this poll could lead to a programme featuring Tubular Bells. Licence payer's money well spent?? (Apologies if this topic has cropped up elsewhere)                                 -------------- ....second to the right and straight on till morning.... You heard me before Yet you hear me again Then I die Till I call me again Back to top

TubularBelle Group: Members Posts: 1487 Joined: April 2004 Posted: Dec. 08 2005, 15:54 Is there a link for which to vote? I remember radio station JJJ in Australia having a similar thing here where once a week they did a feature on one particular year. It is an alternative station and they don't play Mike as I have mentioned before but I waited patiently for 1973 thinking they have to mention him, but they didn't! Can you believe that? I sent them the longest email whinging and complaining about it and I got a reply from a guy who runs a website called 'The Super 70's' and he asked me to write a feature about Mike focusing on his albums from the 70's and then a brief rundown on what he has done since. I still have the email from about 2 years ago, but I never did it because I was scared it would be too poorly written, I still regret it, esp as I love to write so much but that doesn't mean I am any good at that kind of writing, I'm no journalist. Which Pink Floyd album came out that year and did it sell more copies than TB? Do you believe Bee that 1973 was the best year for music? It would be very difficult for me to pick one year so I would have to pick 73 because that album had such an influence on me but also as I was only 13 at the time, that year was the first year I even came to appreciate music at all really. Will have to have a sneak through the book I bought Michael for Xmas '1001 albums you must hear before you die' and see what they have listed from that year, and which year has the most albums listed in it. Will get back to you, although I am trying not to handle the book too much so it doesn't look used. TB is in there I am delighted to say, I bought the book just to see if TB was included and paid $55 for it without even checking first, I would have been very disappointed if it wasn't I can tell you but was there any doubt?! -------------- I hate getting up early. I didn't even realise there were two 6 o'clocks in one day! Back to top

hiawatha Group: Members Posts: 2391 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: Dec. 08 2005, 16:09 1973 also gave us "Band on the Run" (a landmark for me anyway) and "Dark Side of the Moon". Prog was in full flower then: Genesis "Foxtrot" had been released late in 1972, with "Selling England By the Pound" following in 1973. I can find other incredible classics from this year, such as Renaissance's finest work "Ashes are Burning", and ELP's best work "Brain Salad Surgery". The glory years would continue on past 1976 (the first Alan Parsons album) and to 1978 where it would peak with "Incantations" but after that the filth and the fury of punk was a tide to hard to resist and would diminish the quality of music. -------------- "In the land of the Dacotahs, Where the Falls of Minnehaha Flash and gleam among the oak-trees, Laugh and leap into the valley." - Song of Hiawatha Back to top

TubularBelle Group: Members Posts: 1487 Joined: April 2004 Posted: Dec. 08 2005, 16:13 And was 'Journey to the Centre of the Earth' released that year too? I first heard it that year but of course that doesn't mean anything. I also heard Cat Stevens 'Tea for the Tillerman' that year which was a beautiful album, once again, don't know when it was released tho. Hiawatha, I am chasing you around the forum! Edit: I now believe it may have been Teaser and the Firecat I was thinking of, not Tea for the Tillerman. -------------- I hate getting up early. I didn't even realise there were two 6 o'clocks in one day! Back to top

hiawatha Group: Members Posts: 2391 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: Dec. 08 2005, 16:18 Heh. "Tea" was way back in 1970. "Center" was in 1974, but I think that Wakeman's "Henry VIII" was in 1973. -------------- "In the land of the Dacotahs, Where the Falls of Minnehaha Flash and gleam among the oak-trees, Laugh and leap into the valley." - Song of Hiawatha Back to top

bee Group: Members Posts: 1227 Joined: Jan. 2004 Posted: Dec. 08 2005, 17:17 Hi Tubularbelle, long time no speak! Try this...link I do hope I have done it right, if I haven't then I'll try again. Possibly! It really was a good few years.( I can appreciate that even though I was only a young whippersnapper myself.) Even Abba get a mention. And Madonna is giving them a little credit by having one of their best bits from Gimme Gimme Gimme on her hit single Hung up on you. That time, the 70's was special. But 1973 has particular importance. BTW what would have happened if punk had not got the break it did? And was that largely driven by big record companies or by the young'uns following the Sex Pistols etc. Would we have more or less interesting music do you think? -------------- ....second to the right and straight on till morning.... You heard me before Yet you hear me again Then I die Till I call me again Back to top

TubularBelle Group: Members Posts: 1487 Joined: April 2004 Posted: Dec. 08 2005, 18:02 It's interesting that you mention Punk because of the obvious connection between Branson signing the Sex Pistols and Mike being very put out by that. That was later than 73 though wasn't it? The Pistols are obviously the first band anyone ever thinks of when they think of Punk and I don't know if that was because they were the Best or merely the First. It certainly influenced Mikes career if only on a personal level but can they be the trigger for the demise of progressive rock music as a whole? I was too young to remember how it all went down at the time. Punk was huge but it was still kind of on the fringe wasn't it? Like it didn't seem to have any effect on bands like Abba and the Bay City Rollers coming through. In fact, and I know this is a long shot, but maybe the 'grossness' of Punk for want of a better description of it, the kind of low level self abusive lifestyle etc that it condoned is directly to blame for us losing the 'intellectual' complex music of the time and having it replaced with what was the beginning of the Fizzy Pop era which now drowns us in Britneys and Jessicas ( and even worse, 'Idol' ). The goody two shoes music so to speak, the clean cut bubble and squeek stuff which is how it all started. We got rid of it once before with the demise of the Cliff Richards and Bobby Darrins of the world, nowhere near as bad I admit, and we can do it again. Artists such as Jeff Buckley, and I know I should stop using him as an example because he is dead, but I think he and artists like him are inspiring a new movement back to the intelligent music that is worthy of taking our hard earnt cash. Bring it on!!!!!! I'm getting the new James Blunt cd for Xmas, I only know that one song so I can't wait to hear it, anyone like him? Sorry to go a bit off topic. -------------- I hate getting up early. I didn't even realise there were two 6 o'clocks in one day! Back to top

bee Group: Members Posts: 1227 Joined: Jan. 2004 Posted: Dec. 08 2005, 18:31 Quote (TubularBelle @ Dec. 08 2005, 23:02) I'm getting the new James Blunt cd for Xmas, I only know that one song so I can't wait to hear it, anyone like him? amazing! My interest has slowly grown in James Blunt and now I'm at the point of getting a copy of his Back to Bedlam CD too! There's one song, I forget it's title but it reminds me so much of a track on Tres Lunas. I shall have to find out which it is, coz it's bugging me!! He is interesting to listen to. He sounds honest and sensitive. He was in the army and was known to strap his guitar to the outside of the tank he was in during manouvres! What an image that brings to mind!! Let us know what you think of the album when you get it. I think what you said about the music going from one extreme to another is a good point, it's all about reactions and responses. What I search for is the music that is an honest reflection of the artist himself. That's the stuff that lives forever. -------------- ....second to the right and straight on till morning.... You heard me before Yet you hear me again Then I die Till I call me again Back to top

TubularBelle Group: Members Posts: 1487 Joined: April 2004 Posted: Dec. 08 2005, 18:44 Quote (bee @ Dec. 08 2005, 18:31) What I search for is the music that is an honest reflection of the artist himself. That's the stuff that lives forever. What an excellent point Bee, not only does it last but it stays true to itself. The music I was talking about is all 'gimic' music, okay maybe Johnny Rotten really was a Punk and still is, saw him on 'Judge Judy' not long ago looking exactly the same, only older, but maybe that is all a gimic too, just because he has kept it up for so long doesn't mean that it is a true reflection of himself. And obviously the manufactured Pop music that is written by other people like Stock, Aikin and Waterman etc is not a true reflection of the artist either. I wish I had said that. That also fits in with another thread I saw but haven't joined in on yet about whether the artists true intentions of the music is important, or can they ruin otherwise good music? It's in Polls and Opinions. -------------- I hate getting up early. I didn't even realise there were two 6 o'clocks in one day! Back to top

bee Group: Members Posts: 1227 Joined: Jan. 2004 Posted: Dec. 08 2005, 19:04 Yes, about Johnny Rotten, I think we all have 'defining moments' in our lives that help us, and probably other people,to recognise us as individuals on this planet - and his could be said to be when he was at the forefront of the punk era. ( this is a very sweeping statment because ofcourse there are so many sides to everyone but often you can narrow down why we are like we are because of an event or series of events or contact with 'influential' people that happens to us during our lives) I'd say a big defining moment for me was when I had children, I can remember thinking 'so this is what it (life) is all about' and from then on I was still me but a more confirmed version. I had a purpose I believed in, a truth. God, how did I get talking about this stuff?? I'm really sorry it has nothing to do with 1973 except perhaps, dare I say this, 1973 was one of Mike's defining moments. So it must have been a good year! Better go now, long day ahead of me tomorrow!!   P.S I can't believe I have mentioned Mike and Johnny Rotten in the same post, that is just  sinful!! -------------- ....second to the right and straight on till morning.... You heard me before Yet you hear me again Then I die Till I call me again Back to top

TubularBelle Group: Members Posts: 1487 Joined: April 2004 Posted: Dec. 08 2005, 19:24 Quote (bee @ Dec. 08 2005, 19:04) I'd say a big defining moment for me was when I had children, I can remember thinking 'so this is what it (life) is all about' I thought the Hokey Pokey was what it was all about?! Edit: Sorry Bee if that comment sounded flippant after your profound post, had been on the pc for 5 hours and was losing brain power. -------------- I hate getting up early. I didn't even realise there were two 6 o'clocks in one day! Back to top

moonchildhippy Group: Members Posts: 1807 Joined: Dec. 2004 Posted: Dec. 08 2005, 19:51 Difficult to choose a particular decade let alone single out  a particular year, I guess the bulk of the music in my collection would date from 1967-1975, somehow they seem to be a golden period  for music. I was stuck between voting for 1973 or 1975.  1975 gave us Bohemian Rhapsody. Also Queen's  A Night At The Opera, Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here,  Led Zeppelin's Physical Graffiti and of course Mike's Ommadawn   (my favourite), all classic albums.   1973 launced the career of Queen. Standout albums that year for me would be ELP's Brain Salad Surgery,  Led Zeppelin's Houses Of The Holy,The Rolling Stones' Exile on Main Street OK I know I'm cheating a little here with this one as it was really realeased in 1972, but was in the charts in 1973, (The Stones at their finest). Pink Floyd gave us Dark Side of The Moon, and of course Mike's career was launched with Tubular Bells . I ended up voting for 1973 in the end, despite only being two  years old and not able to remember anything about 1973. I did wonder why I didn't vote for a year from my youth, take 1987, that was the year I left school YIPPPPPEEEEE!!!! On the negative side we had Thatcherism and high unemployment, thinking about it much of the fashions were ridiculous. I can only think of one standout album from that year that's U2's the Joshua Tree. -------------- I'm going slightly mad, It finally happened, I'm slightly mad , just very slightly mad If you feel a little glum to Hergest Ridge you should come. I'm challenging  taboos surrounding mental health "Part time hippy" I'M SUPPORTING OUR SOLDIERS BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!! Back to top

Sir Mustapha Group: Musicians Posts: 2802 Joined: April 2003 Posted: Dec. 09 2005, 14:27 1973 year a stellar year. Not only it has Tubular Bells and Dark Side Of The Moon, Bob Marley also gave us Catch A Fire, Brian Eno debuted with Here Come The Warm Jets, The Who put Quadrophenia, Genesis had Selling England By The Pound, King Crimson made Larks' Tongues In Aspic, and Yes had... er... Tales From Topographic Oceans. Oh, well, I actually kind of like that album. -------------- Check out http://ferniecanto.com.br for all my music, including my latest albums: Don't Stay in the City, Making Amends and Builders of Worlds. Also check my Bandcamp page: http://ferniecanto.bandcamp.com Back to top

The Big BellEnd Group: Members Posts: 971 Joined: Jan. 2004 Posted: Dec. 09 2005, 14:52 1973 Also gave us Billion Dollar Babies by Alice Cooper . Hello Hooray. Elected. No More Mr Nice Guy. phew what a cracker. phew what a cracker is'nt on the album it's really a comment about the album. -------------- I, ON THE OTHER HAND. AM A VICTIM OF YOUR CARNIVOUROUS LUNAR ACTIVITY. Back to top

TubularBelle Group: Members Posts: 1487 Joined: April 2004 Posted: Dec. 09 2005, 18:19 Are you people voting? -------------- I hate getting up early. I didn't even realise there were two 6 o'clocks in one day! Back to top

TubularBelle Group: Members Posts: 1487 Joined: April 2004 Posted: Dec. 09 2005, 23:00 Michael is away for the weekend so I got out the book I got him for Xmas, '1001 albums you must hear before you die' and here is the list of albums from 1973. Because of my obsession with statistics and when I can be bothered, definitely after Xmas, I will count which year had the most albums and which artist got the most listings, Mike only got the one. Michael Viner's Incredible Bongo Band  Bongo Rock David Bowie  Aladdin Sane King Crimson  Lark's Tongue In Aspic Bob Marley and the Wailers  Catch a Fire Hawkwind  Space Ritual John Cale  Paris 1919 Can  Future Days Lou Reed  Berlin Genesis  Selling England by the Pound Marvin Gaye  Let's Get it On John Martyn  Solid Air Roxy Music  For Your Pleasure Faust  Faust IV Herbie Hancock  Headhunters Mott The Hoople  Mott Mike Oldfield  Tubular Bells Todd Rundgren  A Wizard, A True Star Elton John  Goodbye Yellow Brick Road Steely Dan  Countdown to Ecstasy Waylon Jennings  Honky Tonk Heroes Pink Floyd  Dark Side of the Moon Stevie Wonder  Innervisions ZZ Top  Tres Hombres Paul McCartney and Wings  Band on the Run The Sensational Alex Harvey Band  Next Alice Cooper  Billion Dollar Babies Iggy and the Stooges  Raw Power The Isley Brothers  3+3 New York Dolls  New York Dolls That's 29 albums for one year out of 1001 spanning 50 years. And the average would be 20 albums per year. 1974 had 26 albums listed and 1975 had 22. First entry, Frank Sinatra 1955, Last entry, The White Stripes 2005. -------------- I hate getting up early. I didn't even realise there were two 6 o'clocks in one day! Back to top

Navaira Group: Members Posts: 481 Joined: Jan. 2005 Posted: Dec. 10 2005, 07:01 I can't believe any Mike Oldfield fan could like James Bland! (Well, maybe someone who's really really, like, big on Tr3s Lunas and hates Amarok could, indeed.) I've heard his songs on the radio and they've got the amazing ability to irritate the hell out of me despite being musical wallpaper of the most indescribable kind -- I can't remember anything about these songs except the facts that 1) the lyrics were offensively stupid and 2) they were filled with all the emotions of a dead fish and made 'Hung Up' by Madonna sound like Art. And to think I'd encounter Bland's name in a thread about 1973 on a Mike Oldfield forum! Honestly, guys, next you'll admit that this Norah Jones chick really rocks your world. What I basically have against James Bland, Dido, Norah Jones, Jamie Cullum etc. etc. is that they're so inoffensive*. I can't imagine anyone being really angry about something James Bland sings. I can't imagine Norah Jones writing an angry song about her political views. Their 'music' is exactly the type managers of major labels like: it's a product aimed at certain groups of people, designed for mass appeal, polished and polished till no edge sticks out. James Bland is a soldier (oooh, go the girls) writing a song about his girlfriend (oooh, go the girls), the song is called "You're beautiful" (ooooooh, oooooh) and they split after that (cue in mass fainting). Dido is a beautiful girl (mmm, go the boys) but not dangerously beautiful, more the girl-next-door-type (mmm, go the girls) singing about her broken heart, her affairs that go wrong, the lack of goals in her life and about how she likes to have sex with her boyfriend when he's stoned and she's drunk (that song is designed to touch the bad boys and bad girls, who would otherwise consider Dido completely uncool, and it wasn't a single so the grandmas never got to hear it). Etc. This music isn't made because the artist has the burning need to make it. This music happens because marketing division of EMI have conducted a research results of which were then applied to a person somewhat talented vocally and completely devoured of personality (very dangerous thing, that personality malarky). The most cynical way of 'creating a pop star' being Pop Idle, of course, where everyone showing dangerous sings of having thoughts deeper than 'oooh, isn't this dress fantastic' is quickly evicted from the show. Sigh. Sorry about the rant, but... James Bland? Burn these CDs, quick. And I don't mean burning copies for friends. That would be a cruel thing to do to them. * unless you consider emotions and intelligence an essential thing in music, that is. -------------- http://www.raygrant.com :: My album 'Exorcism' is out on iTunes now Back to top

arron11196 Group: Members Posts: 826 Joined: April 2005 Posted: Dec. 10 2005, 07:36 Each to their own, eh? -------------- Arron J Eagling Everyone's interpretation is different, and everyone has a right to that opinion. There is no "right" one, I am adding this post to communicate my thoughts to share them with like-minded souls who will be able to comment in good nature. (insert the last 5 mins of Crises here) Back to top

Sir Mustapha Group: Musicians Posts: 2802 Joined: April 2003 Posted: Dec. 10 2005, 14:56 (oooh, go the oppression) -------------- Check out http://ferniecanto.com.br for all my music, including my latest albums: Don't Stay in the City, Making Amends and Builders of Worlds. Also check my Bandcamp page: http://ferniecanto.bandcamp.com Back to top

Sir Mustapha Group: Musicians Posts: 2802 Joined: April 2003 Posted: Dec. 10 2005, 15:03 Quote (TubularBelle @ Dec. 09 2005, 23:00) Can  Future Days F***ing Can! Oh, man, those guys are awesome. Unfortunately, "Future Days" is one album I'm yet to hear. But if "Tago Mago" and "Ege Bamyasi" are any indication, "Future Days" definitely is a must-hear. Quote Faust  Faust IV Heck yes! Damn yes, Faust rocks. And if "IV" is a pick on that book, I think "The Faust Tapes" should be in too, because, in my opinion, "IV" is the least interesting ( !!! ) "classic" Faust record. It's more accessible than their debut, though, that's for sure. Two German picks already. It's a shame that Kraftwerk had their "Autobahn" yet to come, and NEU!'s second LP is not-so-good. Quote Stevie Wonder  Innervisions Good ol' Steve. I hope nobody here knows him only as the "I Just Called To Say I Love You" guy! Yet to hear that one. -------------- Check out http://ferniecanto.com.br for all my music, including my latest albums: Don't Stay in the City, Making Amends and Builders of Worlds. Also check my Bandcamp page: http://ferniecanto.bandcamp.com Back to top

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