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Question: Would you mind if L&S comes out Copy Protected? :: Total Votes:43 Poll choices Votes Statistics Yeah, I really hate CP. Even I would not buy it. 9  [20.93%] Well, I don't like too much CP, but I'd buy it anyway. 20  [46.51%] I really don't care about it. 6  [13.95%] Maybe I'd be disturbed if it does not allow me to play the CD at my car/DVD/PC... 8  [18.60%] Not at all. CP is good to prevent piracy. 0  [0.00%] Copy Protection? What's that? 0  [0.00%] Guests cannot vote

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Wayfarer Group: Members Posts: 308 Joined: June 2002 Posted: Aug. 31 2005, 16:16 Ah, those nice copy protection systems... Some say they prevent piracy, some say they corrupt the audio, some say it's a need to protect the musicians rights and some say that it steals consumer's rights. So, would you really mind if Light and Shade CD cames out with a Copy Protection system like Tubular Bells 2003 did? Ladies and gentleman, poll's open... -------------- My homepage - www.thewayfarer.info My search - www.cannotbefound.com My community - www.taurusiv.net My luthier - www.artluthier.com Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Aug. 31 2005, 18:46 I don't care about it, as well as my CD player(s). However, L+S is not going to have C-P, as it's coming out on Universal and Universal doesn't use C-P on anything. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

olracUK Group: Members Posts: 1683 Joined: June 2003 Posted: Aug. 31 2005, 18:49 Well, I voted not buy, but my PC and my laptop had no problem burning it (for my own personal use you understand). CP was a crap system that upset a lot of people and still let others post/burn/rip it anyway. Complete waste of time other than to upset consumers. -------------- The answer is 42 - but what is the question? Back to top

Tubularman Group: Awaiting Authorisation Posts: 2304 Joined: June 2004 Posted: Aug. 31 2005, 20:52 same here.. the copy protection dont bother me, because it will burn it anyway actually! I use audiograbber and thats a really good program to eat everything   But i dont like copy protecion! It makes me to feel a litlle and litlle bad feeling when i burn it and then sharing it on dc++.. I dont know the different actually. I just feel like; taking some songs that you are not alow to copy, and then share them.. But whatever......... life is life and my computer by my side.. -------------- Mike Oldfield M i x e s https://soundcloud.com/tubularman Back to top

MusicallyInspired Group: Musicians Posts: 1445 Joined: June 2001 Posted: Aug. 31 2005, 23:24 With any luck (if it has CP) the Canadian release (like TB2003) won't have CP. I'll buy it anyway to complete my collection, but I really hope it doesn't. It only causes problems for the innocent people (ie- clicking sounds, not playing in some computers, discmen, stereos, car stereos etc). Everyone still manages to copy it. I'm very against CP cds as they aren't real CDs. You won't find the Compact Disc symbol anywhere on the disc or the case of a "copy protected" CD. I'm against CP. But I'll buy it. -------------- BrandonBlume.com "The beauty in life is in the embracing of the variety of things. If all the world was blue there would be no colour blue." Back to top

Korgscrew Group: Super Admins Posts: 3511 Joined: Dec. 1999 Posted: Sep. 01 2005, 11:00 Mike has assured that it won't be copy protected. I will check to make certain of this, as Mercury may have different ideas to him. To answer the question though, yes, I would mind if it's copy protected. It's not a scheme I agree with at all. Systems where the copy protection is built into the format are fine by me (whether they're sensible is another matter, but they have a right to control the copying of the work), but I think bolted-on solutions like CDS are just a farce. I would do as I did with Tubular Bells 2003, and buy the surround version, rather than the copy protected CD. Back to top

Sir Mustapha Group: Musicians Posts: 2802 Joined: April 2003 Posted: Sep. 01 2005, 12:41 I hate to talk about it. What I say is that I'm hopeful that Mike has learnt a sensible lesson from the TB2003 fiasco (and I'm NOT talking about the music, see), but then again, who knows what's going on inside the minds of the executives these days. I believe Light And Shade will come out on ACTUAL Compact Discs, and not on corruptions. If it doesn't... well, I'm afraid I won't buy the CD at all. Buying ONE Copy-protected album (Radiohead's "Hail To The Thief") was more than enough for me, and I don't want to encourage that thing. It doesn't matter that it's a new album, it doesn't matter that it's Mike Oldfield, it doesn't matter if the music is good or not. A copy-protected CD is a rotten product, no matter what. I'll even dare say that it's not just measures as evil as copy-protection systems that are ruining the music business, but also the indifference of the consumers. If people don't care if the powers-that-be are eating away all their rights and all their freedom, their rights and freedom will disappear eventually anyway. And what's next? Panis et circenses all over again? -------------- Check out http://ferniecanto.com.br for all my music, including my latest albums: Don't Stay in the City, Making Amends and Builders of Worlds. Also check my Bandcamp page: http://ferniecanto.bandcamp.com Back to top

Sysiyo Group: Members Posts: 245 Joined: Feb. 2003 Posted: Sep. 01 2005, 16:37 Quote (Korgscrew @ Sep. 01 2005, 18:00) Mike has assured that it won't be copy protected. I will check to make certain of this, as Mercury may have different ideas to him. Hopefully "no CP" is a part of his new contract with Mercury. David Bowie has a similar deal with Columbia; by the terms of their contract, no Bowie release maybe CP'd (unfortunately this does not apprly to his older deal with EMI, meaning that all the interesting reissues of classic albums have been CP'd). Back to top

Navaira Group: Members Posts: 481 Joined: Jan. 2005 Posted: Sep. 02 2005, 04:55 I refuse to buy any Crappy Protected "CDs". They aren't even CDs, they are CD-ROMs with audio part, as someone mentioned they can't carry "Compact Disc Digital Audio" logo. Last CPed "CD" I bought was, sadly, Tubular Bells boxed set and after that I decided not to buy any inferior products anymore. If L+S is CCed, I'll buy the LP and download mp3s from the net (honestly, if it's Crappy Controlled/Protected, obviously it's impossible to make illegal copies, so that means all mp3s I download are legal, right?), if it's not CCed I'll buy the CD *and* LP, unless the album proves to be crap, in which case I'll only buy the LP for completion. *thinks* actually nobody has yet said there will be a LP release of L+S... -------------- http://www.raygrant.com :: My album 'Exorcism' is out on iTunes now Back to top

hiawatha Group: Members Posts: 2391 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: Sep. 02 2005, 14:27 The copy-protected CDs are still CDs. They just don't meet the "Compact Disc Digital Audio" standard. I've seen two so far say that the copy protected diskettes were not really CDs at all, so I figured I'd mention this. -------------- "In the land of the Dacotahs, Where the Falls of Minnehaha Flash and gleam among the oak-trees, Laugh and leap into the valley." - Song of Hiawatha Back to top

MusicallyInspired Group: Musicians Posts: 1445 Joined: June 2001 Posted: Sep. 02 2005, 20:12 Well of course they're CDs..they are a thin layer of plastic with foil or something on the inside, but that's what I meant. It's not a true CD Audio disc. -------------- BrandonBlume.com "The beauty in life is in the embracing of the variety of things. If all the world was blue there would be no colour blue." Back to top

Tati The Sentinel Group: Members Posts: 3360 Joined: Feb. 2002 Posted: Sep. 03 2005, 00:18 Quote (Sir Mustapha @ Sep. 01 2005, 13:41) I hate to talk about it. But in Brazil TB 2003 wasn't released with CP,but here and nothing is the same. Please,no CP. -------------- "But it's always the outsider, the black sheep, that becomes the blockbuster." - Mike Oldfield, 2014 "I remember feeling that I'd been judged unfairly and that I was going to prove them wrong." - Peter Davison, 2011 Back to top

Navaira Group: Members Posts: 481 Joined: Jan. 2005 Posted: Sep. 03 2005, 04:24 Quote (hiawatha @ Sep. 02 2005, 14:27) The copy-protected CDs are still CDs. They just don't meet the "Compact Disc Digital Audio" standard. I meant they were not CD audio, which I mentioned later in my post -- they're CD-ROMs with additional audio part. -------------- http://www.raygrant.com :: My album 'Exorcism' is out on iTunes now Back to top

Ostach Group: Members Posts: 71 Joined: June 2004 Posted: Sep. 03 2005, 17:00 I will buy the album whatever it is copy protected or not... as far i know there were no problems during copying TB2003 to the mp3 format....   If I want to listen tracks on my computer I simply download then fron the web... of course only when I have orginal CD... -------------- I stay I pray See you in heaven one day... Back to top

Running out of patience Group: Members Posts: 1 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Oct. 06 2005, 07:20 Having listened to it several times I don't think copying it is a a problem, why would you want to?// Back to top

Deadcalm Group: Awaiting Authorisation Posts: 752 Joined: Nov. 2004 Posted: Oct. 06 2005, 08:11 I guess the u-myx feature is a sort of copy protection ie if u want the "Feature" you got to buy the CD !! So I guess u cannt burn full copies of the CD with this feature!! installed ...  and sell it as genuine CD on E Bay etc !! Back to top

Piltdownboy on horseback 22 Group: Members Posts: 1548 Joined: Sep. 2005 Posted: Oct. 06 2005, 12:19 I think the true fans will get the original album anyway, so not a problem Greetings, Runaway Son from Holland -------------- "And now we're going to play Platinum!" Back to top

Wayfarer Group: Members Posts: 308 Joined: June 2002 Posted: Oct. 08 2005, 16:51 Quote (Running out of patience @ Oct. 06 2005, 13:20) Having listened to it several times I don't think copying it is a a problem, why would you want to?// Some reasons to copy it: 1.- A small MP3 player is more 'wearable' than a Discman, so it's OK to copy CDs you own into MP3 for your own use. 2.- I don't want to have the original CD in my car... you know, it can get scratched or -gasp!- stolen. 3.- Give a copy to a friend that is not yet a fan ;-) (yeah, in Spain the law allows you to do that!! There are also a lot of reasons to copy a CD that fall into the 'fair use' definition (unless you live in Finland). But the point is not just the freedom to copy it or not: it's just that I had a lot of trouble with the copy protection on TB2003... my car's stereo just gave me a 'disc error' and refused to play it, for example. And I think that's not fine. Regards, -- Wayfarer -------------- My homepage - www.thewayfarer.info My search - www.cannotbefound.com My community - www.taurusiv.net My luthier - www.artluthier.com Back to top

Inkanta Group: Admins Posts: 1453 Joined: Feb. 2000 Posted: Oct. 08 2005, 23:30 I agree on the first two reasons--they're why I'd want to copy, too. Regarding Spanish copyright laws, allowing one to make a copy for a friend would exceed the boundaries of fair use in most places. In that Spain is a member of the Berne Convention, which offers some international protection of copyrighted works, I'm surprised that fair use would extend to that situation. Spain also upholds an author's copyright 10 years longer than many countries, so it doesn't seem all that lenient regarding copyright/infringement. -------------- "No such thing as destiny; only choices exist." From:  Moongarden's "Solaris." Back to top

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