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Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Feb. 14 2001, 08:20 Hi y'all. Here is a list of what I consider to be musical similarities between Mike Oldfield's short pieces. I've also included extracts from Amarok because Amarok is IMHO 52 short pieces fused into one... The pieces are arranged in what I think is their chronological order. If I wrote some nonsense, please correct me. Portsmouth ---> Mike's Reel (Women of Ireland B-side) Wrekorder Wrondo ---> Don Alfonso Cuckoo Song ---> the recorder section in Ommadawn Part 1 Blue Peter ---> Sailor's Hornpipe (Both come from the same source) Arrival ---> though this is not strictly a MO song, it sounds similar to all of Mike's "triumphant" pieces: Ommadawn Part 2 Finale, The Bell Finale, the Intro Waltz in Amarok (before Green Green), TMB Finale ...you name it! Molly (QE2) ---> Muse (Guitars) Family Man ---> Blue Night (EM) An obvious one: Moonlight Shadow ---> Crime of Passion ---> Man In The Rain Shadow On The Wall ---> the "heavy" parts in FMO (the song) ---> Cochise (Guitars) Northpoint ---> Innocent Hostage ---> the overall musical construction of Heaven's Open Another obvious one: Boat from Amarok ---> Let There Be Light Fast Waltz from Amarok ---> Serpent Dream Africa II from Amarok ---> the drum pattern in Ommadawn Part 1 Magellan ---> Santa Maria Celtic Rain ---> Let There Be Light [again! ] Jewel In The Crown ---> Oceania (TSODE) Outcast ---> Sunjammer The Top of The Morning ---> various piano sections in Amarok, esp. Didlybom Broad Sunlit Uplands ---> the TB opening theme ---> Sentinel Liberation ---> Africa I from Amarok [I couldn't find anything else in Guitars... ] Please feel free to add or comment on these, but please don't mention again The Source Of Secrets/Secrets and TII/Orabidoo: those are not similar, they're identical!! -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

TimHighfield Group: Members Posts: 543 Joined: Oct. 2000 Posted: Feb. 14 2001, 08:27 Well, I've classified the short pieces into two categories: Pornhipes: Sailor's Pornhipe (TB, OTB) Blue Peter Portsmouth some 'folky' sections in Amarok Non-Pornhipes: Everything else The obvious one that's always cited on these forums: Taurus III --> Serpent Dream What source did Blue Peter and the Pornhipe come from, Ugo? (ie, not the source of secrets) I thought they were just traditional pieces (Blue Peter's real name is Barnacle Bill) arranged by Mike- as a side note, if you ever see the Last Night of the Proms, they usually have a recital of British "seaside" tunes- eg Rule Britannia, a Pornhipe etc. -Tim- Back to top

TimHighfield Group: Members Posts: 543 Joined: Oct. 2000 Posted: Feb. 14 2001, 08:43 Plus, of course: the guitar solos on Shadow on the Wall --> Outcast --> Piltdown Man sections of the Bell albums -Tim-- Then there are the Bell pieces and so on. Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Feb. 14 2001, 09:03 Tim: If you listen carefully, the first notes in Blue Peter are identical to the first ones in the main theme of the Hornpipe (or Pornhipe). Both pieces come from a 1700's tune that English sailors used to play on recorder-like things and drums before leaving for long journeys and/or after a happy homecoming. [I've read this somewhere, I don't remember where. ] Blue Peter was born in the mid-1800's as an adaption of the Hornpipe, which is much older. Anyway, thanx for your comments. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

raven4x4x Group: Members Posts: 1535 Joined: Jan. 2002 Posted: April 06 2002, 01:06 Anyone noticed that the first few notes of Red Dawn are identical the the First three notes of the guitar solo at 8.45? Mike has certainly had many similarities in his career. In the 70's: Punkadiddle, Blue Peter, In Dulci Jubilo, Portsmouth, Wreckorder Rondo and others have all used the same lead instrument. Sorry, I'm not going to think of any more, I'm already listening out for killer guitar solos for the 'Mike's Kickass Guitar Solos' topic. -------------- Thank-you for helping us help you help us all. Back to top

Thea Cochrane Group: Musicians Posts: 445 Joined: Nov. 1999 Posted: April 08 2002, 07:27 In an interview on BBC Radio 2 (I transcribed it, so it's in the articles section on this site somewhere, but I don't have the link handy) Mike said that he had sampled the drum track from Moonlight Shadow and used this as the basis for Man In The Rain. I'm sure that he did the same with Shadow On The Wall and Outcast. Back to top

Man In The Rain Group: Members Posts: 405 Joined: April 2002 Posted: May 06 2002, 16:01 Cochise from Guitars has the melody of Jewel In The Crown played on guitar, with the strumming guitar sound from Legend in the background - could even be Mike sampling himself like TB3... Oliver -------------- Hergest Ridge 165 - Ommadawn 038 - Incantations 243 Back to top

Ram Unregistered Posted: April 25 2003, 19:02 Quote (Mat Cochrane @ April 08 2002, 07:27) In an interview on BBC Radio 2 (I transcribed it, so it's in the articles section on this site somewhere, but I don't have the link handy) Mike said that he had sampled the drum track from Moonlight Shadow and used this as the basis for Man In The Rain. I'm sure that he did the same with Shadow On The Wall and Outcast. Yes. Mike sampled himself on two albums- TB III & TMB. On TB III he used the drum tracks from Shadow On The Wall for Outcast, the Monnlight Shadow drums for MITR, plus the african drums from Ommadawn for Far Above The Clouds. On TMB Mike sampled the african drums of the Amarok finale for Liberation. By the way: The Drum sound of Tres Lunas (the track) reminds me of Tricks Of The Light, but this is no sample (I think a direct sample of TOTL would better on this track). Back to top

Music, the ancient language... Group: Musicians Posts: 407 Joined: Jan. 2003 Posted: April 25 2003, 19:48 Another one: the melody in The Doge's Palace seems to be derived from Sailor's Hornpipe. Just put it in minor and make it a bit Barok-like. -------------- Read everything I write at own risk. I cannot be held responsible  for depressions and/or suicide attempts of any kind, caused by reading my posts. Back to top

Blue Dolphin Group: Members Posts: 1232 Joined: Nov. 1999 Posted: May 02 2003, 22:18 Quote Please feel free to add or comment on these, but please don't mention again TII/Orabidoo: those are not similar, they're identical!! Well, in Orabidoo it has only one piece that's identical to Taurus II, but for the rest is Orabidoo VERY unique compared to his other songs. (sorry, just had to say that as a very Orabidoo'ist (whoa, I made a new word)) -------------- -The mark of a good musician is to play one note and mean it- Mike Oldfield - 1980 Back to top

evolution169 Group: Members Posts: 2 Joined: July 2003 Posted: July 22 2003, 21:57 The beginning of Orabidoo(the guitar/glokenspiel intro) quotes a melody from QE2's Conflict, the second keyboard solo(the one with the strings-like sound, not to be confused  with the first solo, played with a whistle-like sound). Back to top

raven4x4x Group: Members Posts: 1535 Joined: Jan. 2002 Posted: July 23 2003, 06:07 I've also noticed that the synth-flute melody of Punkadiddle is basically the same as the bagpipe tune from Tubular Bells. The first bar or two are identical, just speeded up. -------------- Thank-you for helping us help you help us all. Back to top

Ciderginaspro Group: Members Posts: 90 Joined: Dec. 2007 Posted: Jan. 26 2008, 14:54 and "Branches", from Children of the Sun (Sallyangie) contains some part of the "future" Amarok, it's like a "mini-mini Amarok" great part of guitar, and he was so young !! Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Jan. 26 2008, 17:52 Quote (Ciderginaspro @ Jan. 26 2008, 20:54) and "Branches", from Children of the Sun (Sallyangie) contains some part of the "future" Amarok, it's like a "mini-mini Amarok" great part of guitar, and he was so young !! Indeed it does. When Mike made Amarok, he said he compiled part of it from lots and lots of old pieces. But I wasn't imagining that his memory could be capable of reaching as far back as 1968... -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

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