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Posted: June 16 2008, 22:11

I just came accross a this article from the Washington Post, and I think many of you might like it. It's an interesting comment on society and our ability to appreciate art. We've all heard street musicians, but have you ever stopped and listened, or given them money? What if that guy with the violiin was a lot more than he seemed?

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Posted: June 17 2008, 02:58

Interesting article.

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Posted: June 17 2008, 05:26

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Interesting article.

Dunno about the article but there must be something in the air that has transformed Scatterplots cute dog into some sort of terrorist monster!


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Posted: June 17 2008, 07:42

So, the theme seems to be about "context". That and the fact that playing in a subway probably doesn't give your audience time to appreciate the art.

If Mike were to whip out an acoustic guitar at Bristol Temple Meads train station, who would notice him?


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Posted: June 17 2008, 07:44

OK, I've gotten over the shock of Scatterplots dogs transformation and had a read of the article. Interesting! I like the way they slowly build up to the event itself without revealing the result. Knowing my state of mind when I am piling along Princes street in Edinburgh on a busy lunchtime going to or from some sort of errand I think I would also be unlikely to stop. What would it need to be that *would* make me stop? Probably different for different people. I am not that big a fan of classical music but as an ex cello player I know if it was a particularly good performance of Le Cygne for instance I would likely pause.

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Posted: June 17 2008, 08:38

Made for a turkey of a movie but Paul McCartney did a a bit of busking whilst in disguise in 1984.He kind of hammed it up pub singer style and I`m not sure how long he did it for?But I remember him saying one person did approach him and said something along the lines of.."You`re Paul McCartney are`nt you."

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Posted: June 17 2008, 10:11

A friend of mine once told me about that exact article, and one point he stressed was the bit about every child trying to stop and watch. I can definitely picture that happening.

If it were [i]me[i], by the way, I think I would't have stopped either if I was VERY tight for time, or if the guy were REALLY bad. Otherwise, I'd probably have stopped for, at least, two minutes. But then again, we don't get street musicians very often here in Brazil. And the words of that woman saying people in Brazil would stop to watch made me think; she was probably right. People here tend to pay attention to unusual things.


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Posted: June 17 2008, 11:01

Quote (raven4x4x @ June 17 2008, 04:11)
We've all heard street musicians, but have you ever stopped and listened, or given them money? What if that guy with the violiin was a lot more than he seemed?

That seems like an interesting article, I'll read it in full later, when I have more time  :p

But just to answer your question, I did once stop and listen to a Tuvan throat singer / fiddler who performed in the street in Cologne. I love Tuvan throat singing (seen Huun-Huur-Tu live twice), and this guy was really good at it (as far as I was able to tell). I think I listened to him for about half an hour or so, and gave him about as much as I would have spent for seeing Huun-Huur-Tu perform a half-hour set; anything else just didn't seem appropriate.

The interesting thing about this, though, is that as I was standing there, the situation started feeling more and more awkward; I might have stayed even longer, but after that half hour, it just started to feel funny. I'm not really sure why, but I have a feeling it's a sort of cultural "taboo" at work; you're not supposed to listen to a street musician for half an hour; you're supposed to have better things to do or something (which I didn't, as far as I remember). Anyway, I walked away from there feeling a bit stupid and not sure what to make of the whole situation.
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Posted: June 17 2008, 12:32

Whether I stop or not depends on the situation, I'd say. Sometimes I've stopped and watched buskers for long periods of time (like 15 minutes or more) if they've been good and there's been somewhere to stand and I haven't been in a rush to get somewhere. I've occasionally bought CDs too. In places like tightly packed underground stations, I tend to not hang around, though I'll try and drop a bit of loose change into their case/hats if I have any. Even if I don't, (I think) I always notice them...music tends to grab my attention like that.

People are used to having music in the background - it's there in shops, on the TV (to the point of being intrusive - I caught a children's programme a while back, I think Blue Peter, and found the combination of music beds and flashing messages on screen made it very hard to follow what the presenter was saying - the idea of using those elements to support the message rather than being at odds with it seems to be an alien one) and radio (which I suspect often gets left on in the background even when people aren't really concentrating on it), even in lifts and toilets - and so I think mostly get used to having to pick around it and just take out what's really essential to them. There's so much vying for our attention that we reach information overload very quickly if we try and give our full attention to all of it (hence my trouble with the children's programme). Looked at within that context, I don't think it's at all unexpected that most people walked straight past Joshua Bell - I'm sure they're already quite used to blocking out the sound of world class musicians! That said, I also don't think that the fact that they walked past should be taken as a definite sign that they didn't like it - I walk past quite a few buskers, thinking, "that guy's not bad" but just not feeling compelled to stop (I couldn't guarantee that the sound of Joshua Bell would make me stop, though I think in a spacious area like he was in, I'd be more inclined to). I also think that what Holger says is very true - stopping isn't the done thing. There are some places (like Covent Garden in London) which are areas where street entertainers are encouraged, and people do stop there and form crowds. Try doing the same act just a few hundred metres away in Covent Garden underground station and I think you'd find the reaction completely different, the crowds suddenly unwilling to stop, some of them no doubt rushing to get outside, where they'll then stop to enjoy the street entertainers!

It's sad to see that children get dragged along when they have an interest in what's going on. In my experience, they are usually both willing and able to understand all kinds of music, and they enjoy exploring it. I believe that's something which should be encouraged - there seems to be a worrying tendency to teach only what's easy to examine, and to value an ability to follow, duplicate and repeat above the ability to innovate and create. Of course I accept the difficulties faced in education, and that a balance needs to be struck between many things, but I do feel it's important to introduce children to more than just what's going to be on the next exam paper...and I try to do so myself when I get half the chance!
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Posted: June 17 2008, 13:15

I thought it was time for a change. The sweet "Eddy" is still here.....the pup of the century still kisses me and shakes his froggy toy frantically in his mouth, slamming it on the floor like prey. I've just.......I dunno, gotten bored/frustrated. So when I saw this perfect avatar of a cat firing a machine gun, I think "Say hello to my little freind!!!!!" It kind of expresses my mood lately. I once said I thought the "piltdown man" part on TB1 was juvenile. What I got back was...."It was just Mike expressing his angry/primal side" or ideas to that end. My avatar is similar in spirit.
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Posted: June 17 2008, 15:12

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It's sad to see that children get dragged along when they have an interest in what's going on.

That's why I have a big, unnerving tendency to hate parents.

Okay, okay, not quite. Right, but perhaps we have to consider the possibility that ALL those parents were extremely late and couldn't waste one second to stop for a moment, let the kid understand what's going on, feed his curiousity and move on. Yeah, that's quite possible.

(still, on the grounds that children tend to be receptive to different kinds of music, well, I think I've mentioned before that my older niece, when she was about two years old, once walked into my room and started dancing to King Crimson's Larks' Tongues in Aspic part II. Enough said, I believe)


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Posted: June 18 2008, 05:24

Well watching that clip there linked to the article I don`t know if I`d have stopped or not.I`d like to think I would`ve stopped out of curiosity in a "strange place for that kind of music" sort of way.But you know a lot of that article was spent really bigging that music up their was`nt it.And the musician as well of course.Kind of like "let`s just see how many philistines are actually out there?" It`s highly possible that I took too much of that on board before I listened there and decided not to like it anyway.Too late now I`ll never know.

A few years back there was a couple of people playing some Medievel music on the bridge going into Durham City.It was the first time I`d heard Summer Is Icumen In and I fell in love with it immediatly.Stayed and listened for a while,talked to one of them and bought a cassette.One of the best albums I bought all year.
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