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Posted: Mar. 24 2003, 07:23

just for fun and curiosity…
playing a bit with the word, i found through google that there is a martial art called ‘amarok’…

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The special features of this martial art consist of many details which differ from other types of martial arts. Primarily Amarok is based on mystics that causes internal forces and self confident with success and easy-training. The training method is very extensive. In Amarok there’s one basic discipline, which were learned generally and together with other types of martial art. Apart from the four main and two weapon disciplines, which are particularly built in Amarok, the mystic theory of shamanism is consciously inserted and taught during the training units. To arrange all more real, all disciplines were combined to an area training during the examination.

(from http://www.amarok.net )

i’ve found it’s quite mentioned the stuntman Hakan “The Wolf” Haslaman, in his biography it’s said…
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1974 Born in Germany. Great-Grandson from the Khan Family, the Warrior People and Empire of the Karaman.

(from http://www.haslaman.com/ )

didn’t know about that…
i wonder if it’s by chance the use of the name, due to amarok's etymology, or whether the one who has developed this martial art knew about Mike’s music…


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Posted: April 30 2003, 19:15

Hi, María,
  I have been searching for the meaning of the word (?) Amarok since the day I bought thae  album, but i'd never thought about making a web research.
  And it's only after been reading your post that I thougth that AMAROk 'd not be a word but a sentence:

  AMAROK = ( I ) am a rock   !!!

         Why not?
And MO 's face on the cover would seem to confirm it :laugh:
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Posted: May 01 2003, 14:12

Mike did say that once, that it's like 'am a rock', though some suspect that he wasn't telling the whole truth (just as with when he said that the word Ommadawn had no meaning).
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Posted: May 01 2003, 14:41

Hi everybodoy,
     After some web researches, that's what I found:
     
     Amarok: Name given to the giant wolfs living in Alaska.
                 They are active night and day and live in families of two members.People there says that hunters having killed one of the members of a family were killed by the other one.
                  Amarok is also an Eskimo word,sometimes found in Indian and Canadian tales.It referes to the wolf's spirit or the head of a wolf's group.
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Posted: May 01 2003, 15:52

it seems that this is what mike says... 'i'm a rock'... though could be a joke.
as u have found 'amarok' means 'wolf' in an ancient culture language from canada and also in northern mythology it's the name for a giant wolf (u can find this info in the faq section)

i was searching more about that martial art but with not much success, i even emailed them to haslaman.com to ask him if he knew mike's works but the address given there didn't work so i couldn't find anything new.
i think they may have chosen the same name by chance...

ps. mike's face on amarok's cover doesn't look like a rock imo... i see him there maybe with a "rock like" surface but with a boiling inside...


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Posted: May 02 2003, 14:24

On the meaning of the word...

As mentioned in the FAQ, Mike did once make reference to the fact that he'd heard the word on a programme about wolves. That would seem to put weight behind the idea that it's the innuit word which Mike had in mind when naming the album.

With Mike having begun Amarok with the idea of a sequel to Ommadawn in mind, it's perhaps no surprise that people have looked to the Irish Gaelic language in an attempt to find meaning in the word Amarok (with Ommadawn having come from the Irish word 'amadán' meaning 'fool' ). Sean Moraghan mentioned the similarity between the word Amarok and the Irish word amárach, meaning 'tomorrow'. After reading this discussion, I decided it was about time I did my own research into the matter (I've previously taken the sometimes dangerous route of taking other people's word for it).
A look in Rev. Patrick S. Duneen's Irish - English dictionary of 1927 (though the particular edition I consulted contained additions from 1934 and was printed in 1970) revealed some interesting results, though it should be noted that his method of spelling the words is seemingly different to more modern ones (I should also point out that I know very little about the Irish language and the history of its spelling, printing and so forth...) - I include my findings from this dictionary mostly for curiosity value. The closest is the word amarac (he places a dot over the c indicating that it's pronounced as a 'ch' sound, like in the scottish 'loch' - the a is more of a short O sound) meaning aggressive or quarrelsome. Then there's amarac (with a dot placed over the w and the c (with the m producing more of a w sound) meaning stupid (also passionate, wild and gluttonous). Best, though, is amaróg (again with a dot over the m to indicate a w sound) which means 'a little bitch'!  :O
Moving to The Royal Irish Academy's 'Dictionary of the Irish Language' (compact edition) of 1983 (there may be more recent editions), we find a confirmation of Sean Moraghan's translation of amárach (the entry simply refers to the word bárach, which means 'tomorrow' ). Most fitting, though, is the word amarach, which means 'melodious'.

It's also been said that it's similar to a word meaning 'happy' - that would seem to fit perfectly with the album, but where that translation came from, I don't know. I'll try investigating this a bit further.
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Posted: May 04 2003, 12:42

Yes, you can see eskimo's talk about Amarok in the movie "Never Cry Wolf" (1983). I posted this somewhere in the forum a few years ago too. Mike probably had seen that movie.

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