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Posted: Nov. 05 2006, 12:19

Hi everybody!

There's a project of making a big international music community - the forum and the site for musicians and listeners from all of the world!

If you will be interested in helping in realisation of the project please contact me by PMs or mail: tom@syntheticsubstance.com - everyone is needed to as big project!

I want to make a big forum cantaining groups of musician users - Begginer, Advanced, Professional. Everyone who want to enter the community will has to publish about three his/her songs to estimation of already Advanced or Professional users/musicians, and than of their marks that interested person who published his songs will enter the community with marks of that vote as Beginner, Advanced or Professional (I thinks that vote will dure about a week or so).

Ofcouse there could enter the listeners, without vote, in other way they could comment the musicians' work.

From thechnical aspect I thinks that will be great to concentrate people of all generes - so when someone will publish his/her song in the group of topic (begg, adv, or pro), he or she will put prefix before the track name, ex. [Chillout] Synthetic Substance - A Song Of Forest.

I think that's good idea to make that global place - that will be great chance for many unsigned (and maybe signed) artists of all generes. When we will make the main board, I will ask for support the radio stations (by playing our music), DJs of all generes, and even music labels, couse if people of our forum will make good stuff maybe some label will release out own compilation from that forum - that's very possible, couse we've got many talented artists here, and there will be invited many more artists from other forums or so!

So as I said that will be great chance for everyone! I've got some friends in Poland, and I guess that they could support us by playin our music or something! I planned also articles section on the site. There will be tutorials or something for begginers or for pros too! Articles about new tools, equipment, the tips.

Ok, so as I said, to that big project will be need everyone! I will make the website, system, and the board.

If you enjoy the idea please write me - in this topic, PMs, and emails: tom@syntheticsubstance.com
EVERYONE IS NEEDED!!!

When we make ready the board we will invite people from othe forums!

Take care
Tom
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Posted: Nov. 05 2006, 12:25

Sounds really great!!!!!!!!

I got to leave now, so I'll read it more carefully later, but it sounds great  :cool:  :)


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Posted: Nov. 05 2006, 12:55

Thanks for the PM, Leafy. This actually does look very intriguing. Unfortunately, I'm not exactly very good at actually making music of my own. I'm more of a listener, myself. I would very much like to visit the website when it is made, so give me a shout when you do!

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Posted: Nov. 05 2006, 12:58

I guess, that you as a listener will find there something for you! ;)

Waiting for other comments!
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Posted: Nov. 05 2006, 16:07

yeah, count me in Leafy.

Blimey, does that mean I've got to produce some music!  Yikes!
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Posted: Nov. 05 2006, 16:28

You could be musician and listener as well :D

So guys! Tell everyone to contact me! :)

If many people will tall that they will enter that project than I will faster make the forum ready :D so people - DECLARATE YOU WILL ENTER THE PROJECT!!

The project codename is: Worldwide Music Movement (by Christian Olalla)
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Posted: Nov. 05 2006, 16:32

What exactly is the goal of the site?  What sets it apart from other music sites?

Won't it divert people's attention from this board and lyricless.com, a site where people can already share their tracks?

I'm protective over the site I've already set up for what sounds like the same purpose you are looking to fulfil.  It seems like a lot of effort for something that already exists.

You are very welcome to contribute to lyricless.com if you wish.  Note that I deliberately focused on a specific area of music, e.g. instrumental music (no songs), so that it wouldn't become yet another music site.

You say that you will make "the web site, system and the board".  You mean you'll write it yourself?  Bear in mind that I wrote the system that lyricless.com uses, so I can add to the code as needed.  I don't plan to write a board system, and I don't plan to set another one up (apart from the very basic "forums" at lyricless.com) - why do that when we already have tubular.net?

I think it is good to find new ways to interest the people who use and enjoy this community, but it is important to keep using tubular.net as the main hub - not try and move everyone to a totally new site.  If you're looking to set up both a web site and a board, well, you're basically trying to do what tubular.net already does - why reinvent the wheel when there are good resources already available?

Also, as I have discovered, this kind of project takes a LOT of effort.  You will not be able to do it on your own.  That's why it makes sense to look at what is already available before setting up a new site.  FYI, lyricless.com has been very popular to date (peaking at 1,000 unique visitors in one month), so if we can build on it that would be great.


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Posted: Nov. 05 2006, 17:06

Hi Moz!

Thanks for feedback!

The main goal is to give chances to small music producers by promoting them in big society and if you read all of my post you will see that the WMM will have radio stations support in future - that opens many possibilities. And maybe we could release our own compilation!

Err... As you see TB.net board is Mike Oldfield's fan board. Its main idea is talk about Mike! Lyricless is closed in very small group of people, and in small borders of instrumental music.

I wanna make something global, not closed in only one genere. People closed in one genere could discover the new music - other generes!

I think that TB should stay just MO's discussion board. And if I know you don't have on TB for example tutorials how to use Reason or something.

I don't want people to leave TB, but anyway I want people from TB to make all new society!

About programming I've already found a person who will make ready the optimalized version of PhpBB forum with the system of voting, and adding people to groups begg, adv, pro. But the first version was to make the system myself :D

So Moz, like everyone - I invite you to enter the project! ;)

EVERYONE!! LET'S MAKE IT TOGETHER!!
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Posted: Nov. 05 2006, 17:19

The main question you didn't answer is this:

What exactly is the goal of the site?  What sets it apart from other music sites?

There are a lot of sites that already try to do precisely what you are aiming for.  Your proposed site doesn't provide anything new.  EG MP3.COM. Soundclick. Fan Tracks @ tubular.net. All the "music" forums at music software web sites (e.g. Cakewalk, Cubase, Reason...)

The problem is, you're asking a Mike Oldfield community to essentially provide the membership for a non-MO site of your own.  This seems rather strange.  People here do like more than just MO, but they gather here BECAUSE they like MO, so why are they going to come here just to find a totally unrelated music site?

In contrast, lyricless.com focuses on a type of music (instrumental) that is very close to the hearts of MO fans, composers and listeners alike, but without restricting outsiders from joining ("lyricless" isn't actually a genre - music without vocals can be classical, new age, progressive rock, dance, you name it).  It just so happens that people DO visit from outside the tubular.net community, it's not as closed a group as you might think.  it's just that a lot more people listen than comment.  that is true of the Fan Tracks forum at this board, too.  And in fact it happens at every "music sharing" site I've ever visited.  Just because you don't see lots of comments, it doesn't mean there aren't a lot of members.

Tutorials would be good, but why not set up a site just for that?

The concern I have is that if this idea goes ahead, others will follow suit, each wanting a piece of the pie.  Eventually this community will be so diluted and split across so many different sites it won't be worth visiting tubular.net at all.

Why create another project when you can contribute to an existing one?

PS Look at this: http://www.lyricless.com/view_article?id=449
DCDayDreamer commented on your track.
You see, lyricless.com can be a useful place to get feedback, and we would love for more people to start using the site.  I know I don't want all that work to be wasted because yet another site pops up.  Can you really say your site will exist in 3 or 4 years time?  I have seen so many sites come and go... we'd be much more likely to build a successful site if we all focus on the same one...


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Posted: Nov. 05 2006, 17:43

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The main goal is to give chances to small music producers by promoting them in big society and if you read all of my post you will see that the WMM will have radio stations support in future - that opens many possibilities. And maybe we could release our own compilation!


And I think that the system of workin the service will set it apart from other. Levels of users will make communication better.

There's a lot of registered users, but what the hell it means when not even a hundred of them stay active on forum and write posts? :/

You said there's a lot of already existing sites and boards. Maybe they aren't good enough, couse I have't heard about them!

I believe that we could make something better than other, couse we've got a passion!

You're the father of Tubular? I know that you will defence your project, but you won't give the producers so many possibilities. TB is grest MO forum, and than it should stay MO forum. Just focus on Mike! If the new project will start I will stay there to discuss about Mike! But my idea is to create new BIG and ACTIVE society of PRODUCERS! Don't follow me - don't go anywhere, just do the new project HERE!

You can think of a new project as a extension of TB Fan tracks but under another domain. If you want we could make the links and advertises to TB on the sites of WMM, and we could concentrate more MO fans here, too. But there they will talk about Mike, on WMM they will talk about makin' music.

PS. I can't say anything about it, but maybe that it will exist for 3 or 4 years - but now I can't say anything.

We just could try.
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Posted: Nov. 05 2006, 18:24

Oh, Moz - you know what the poin is?

The point is that I don't do this for myself! I'm near of release my CD, and I don't care about promote myself! I just think about people, who make very good music, but they can't promote theirselves. I want to do it, becouse I just know how hard it is to promote yourself, even if you're very good musician. And that's the goal! We will make it!

And even if anyone from TB won't help me, I will try do that myself, and even than you will be invited, to take part in duscisson on WMM.

PS. I you wanna continue the discussion Moz, we will back to it tomorrow, couse in Poland there's 26 past midnight... :P
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Posted: Nov. 05 2006, 18:57

thanks for everything, but i keep my files in lyricless, i find that place very good, so no need for new places  ;)
But good luck anyway!  :D


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Posted: Nov. 05 2006, 19:40

Quote (Leafy @ Nov. 05 2006, 23:43)
You said there's a lot of already existing sites and boards. Maybe they aren't good enough, couse I have't heard about them!

Oh, well...

- music.download.com
- last.fm
- SoundClick.com
- Acid Planet
- OverPlay
- MP3 Unsigned
- Et cetera...

So if you're going to make things seriously, you should make something that beat out clearly all the other sites.

And mind that also you'll need:

- A catchy & cool name and domain
- A lot of money to pay the bandwidth

Good luck! ;-)

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Posted: Nov. 05 2006, 20:51

Leafy,

And I think that the system of workin the service will set it apart from other. Levels of users will make communication better.

I don't understand what you're trying to say here.

There's a lot of registered users, but what the hell it means when not even a hundred of them stay active on forum and write posts?

Are you talking about tubular.net? This is a Mike Oldfield community, and it goes quiet when Mike Oldfield news is thin on the ground. Few communities have a lot of active users, and most have far more members than people who actually post. Don't forget the number of members includes people who have left, and spammers!

You're the father of Tubular? I know that you will defence your project, but you won't give the producers so many possibilities.

How does lyricless.com not help the producers? It gives people a place to put their music. I'm building an A-Z of artists to make it easier to find music by specific people. You can register and post your own links or wait for DC to do it for you (and if you link, he'll upload the file to his web space). You've already registered and posted a track, and you've got 1 comment so far. People have already started advertising the site - a while ago, I did a search and found a few posts on other forums where people advertised lyricless.com at non Mike Oldfield forums. And as I said, we get over 1,000 unique visitors a month at the moment. I don't know how many of those people come from tubular.net, but either way it's a lot of people for a fairly new site.

But my idea is to create new BIG and ACTIVE society of PRODUCERS! Don't follow me - don't go anywhere, just do the new project HERE!

No site is big from the beginning. I have watched lyricless.com go from 0 to 1000 visitors in 6 months. That's a good start. The point was NOT to go for the biggest site possible, it was simply to make a good site. If it's good, it will get big naturally. Setting out to make a big site is something that everyone wants to do, but as Wayfarer said, can you afford it?

And when you say "just do the new project here" - if you hadn't noticed, we cannot host music files at tubular.net, so how could we possibly do anything like lyricless.com here? Also, the forum layout doesn't make it easy to find things by anything other than by date (with the recent stuff at the top). It just doesn't work.

You can think of a new project as a extension of TB Fan tracks but under another domain

which is EXACTLY what lyricless.com is.

I just think about people, who make very good music, but they can't promote theirselves.

Instead of setting up another site, why not tell people about lyricless.com? People already do this. If more people tell their friends and get people to access their music via lyricless.com, then more people will visit! If you want to go it alone we can't stop you, but why not use a site that already exists and help to get more people using it?


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Posted: Nov. 06 2006, 03:43

That sites gives something except publish music? I will invite there digital, and tradicional labels, stay in touch with them, and give them the bets stuf from the WMM, than they can choose what they will release.

About Lyricless. If you can, we could make something like that, but than, we should change everything in it, and extend everything! Layout, even project name, couse the Lyricless doesn't suits to that big project and won't suite with the layout and banners...

For eample, about release, I've got exclusive contract with TotalWibes label - they will be interested with collab with the site I think.

I'm not saying that lirycless is bad palce, but for not it's for small group of people!

Wayfarer, so if I should make smthing what should beat the existing sites, what's the sence of exist Lyricless?
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Posted: Nov. 06 2006, 13:33

isn't there enough of music communities?

and anyway...you can't just do a music community which will be international and multi-genre and will actually work...as a community...

one reason why it can't work...people who do house can't stand guys behind hip hop...etc...

just a lot of work...and it just won't work...there's far too many of them already...

and far too many are better than anything you'll ever create...


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one more...please learn how to deal with your capslock obsession.


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Posted: Nov. 06 2006, 14:42

Quote (BOOsTER @ Nov. 06 2006, 13:33)
and far too many are better than anything you'll ever create...


cya


one more...please learn how to deal with your capslock obsession.

I understand what you say, but you could put it a little bit more friendly I think!!
:)

AND COME ON, WHO CARES ABOUT CAPSLOCKS  :D


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Posted: Nov. 06 2006, 14:58

nah...I couldnt

and ... who cares about capslock? propably many people...that's where netiquette comes into play...

also on most message boards/chats is capslock considering screaming...and you really wouldn't want anyone comming up to you on the street screaming ATTENCIIIIOOOOON in your ear, would you?


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Posted: Nov. 06 2006, 15:48

Quote (BOOsTER @ Nov. 06 2006, 19:58)
...that's where netiquette comes into play...

Kettle - meet BLACK POT

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Posted: Nov. 06 2006, 16:08

C'mon guys, don't knock Leafy for trying to get support for what could be a good idea, don't forget he's young and inexperienced with all this stuff.

Moz (Ben Barden) has answered a lot of Leafy's questions with straight logical answers, this is a MO fan site, Ben and I have been trying to get all the MO fan covers, MO fan remixes, and MO fan tracks together at Lyricless.com for everyone to download for free with no registration required. If everyone here was willing to help us, we could have that site up to date for every visitor over here, we could have all the music available for free, why not spend a little time helping us over at lyricless.com, it'd be better than going off topic and bashing a young man with ambition.
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