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Posted: Oct. 30 2004, 15:02

"Begin" has been moved to www.myspace.com/twilighttide  

Just click "Homepage".

Best Wishes,
J+T


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Posted: Oct. 30 2004, 19:56

Well done for attempting an original piece of your own. There was some good basic material with solid themes, but perhaps the overall arrangement could be improved. Generally I felt that the middle section was a bit out of place. From your description of the track I was expecting more Celtic influences. Rather than using a midi drum kit, a bodhran (sampled if you don't have one) may fit better with the string pads

The guitar playing is excellent as ever. The distorted lead had an Oldfield tone to it and conjured up Mike's cover of 'Wonderful Land'. Did you use a mandolin too or is that from an acoustic guitar? The tremolo might have worked better if it was played faster. You could take a leaf out of Mike's book and record the part at half-speed so that it plays back twice as fast
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Posted: Oct. 31 2004, 02:12

Hi there...

I actually quite enjoyed this track. I love the guitar tone (Vox amps rule), and how you use a nice vibrato technique to accent the end of some passages. The playing is also very nice, as usual. What are the voice samples/recordings in the middle section?

I did, however, notice that the beginning and end guitar themes sounded a bit flat tonally to my ears. It's not horribly off, but it's just enough for me to notice.


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Posted: Oct. 31 2004, 09:15

Thanks for your comments, Jammer and ktran!

The 'mandolin effect' was created using a 12 string guitar.

All vocals were Julie miked on several tracks, including during the middle section.


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Posted: Nov. 06 2004, 04:07

Have a little more time to respond to your post a bit more thoroughly, Jammer.


This piece is actually part of  approximately a 40 minute suite. The first and third themes are re-recordings from a 1991 piece,which include "Women of Ireland", interestingly enough. -Tony

It's interesting that you mention 'Wonderful Land' as it is one our all-time favorites. And, after your mention of it, we've both been wondering if we unconsciously ripped it off.. it seems to be the theme backwards heh. But perhaps we could start a dialogue on this issue in the Discussion forum.

Thanks again on the comments, advice and your appreciation of my guitar work, as I was missing a finger nail during the recording.

Julie


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Posted: Nov. 07 2004, 13:57

Charming!
I love the melody - lets leave all the balance/sound/playing remarks for later. Those are high melody abilities you demonstrate here, the rest can wait.

aditional to the sound remarks the mates made here, I really miss some fat bass sound here. Despite the fact the melody suggests the harmony quite clearly, some bass games may raise your mellody's power even higher.

as for double speed tequnics, I dont know, I've never actually tried it. I think that even when mike did it, it was done for slow hand solos, which for my opinion suits better than fast ones.

good luck, and bring us some more.
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Posted: Nov. 09 2004, 14:22

Hi Ecco I’m sorry but I didn’t get your message until today
But your site seems to be down at the moment but be assured I’ll Keep trying
Regards Terry
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Posted: Nov. 12 2004, 16:25

Finally managed to download it
All I can say is absolutely brilliant. Your playing is fantastic and the whole production is extremely professional. It’s now on my desktop along with North point.
I have to say I take my hat off to those of you who can compose your own original stuff cos I can’t compose jack, and believe me I’ve tried
Love it Ecco
All the best
Terry
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Posted: Mar. 14 2005, 15:03

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Charming!
I love the melody - lets leave all the balance/sound/playing remarks for later. Those are high melody abilities you demonstrate here, the rest can wait.


Coming from a musician such as yourself, Yuval, that is very encouraging to hear. Thank you for the comments.

Julie and Tony.


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Ecco Offline




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Posted: Mar. 14 2005, 15:08

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All I can say is absolutely brilliant. Your playing is fantastic and the whole production is extremely professional. It’s now on my desktop along with North point.


Terry, you are very kind. Thank you for the compliments.

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I have to say I take my hat off to those of you who can compose your own original stuff cos I can’t compose jack, and believe me I’ve tried


We both agree that somehow, that can't be true. You have a good ear and feeling for the music. Those two elements are really all that you need. Perhaps you're just feeling blocked about the whole deal? It can be intimidating.

Best Wishes,

Jule and Tony.


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Posted: Mar. 14 2005, 23:26

Here Come the Critical Guy, People at school refer to me as a nascent Denis Leary. LOL

Note all Comments are my opinion, and may differ from yours
Plus I write excatly what I think of the song As I listen to It
Sorry If I come out sounding like a Complete Prick

Starting Song.....
Wow nice rythym.....Like the guitar......alot.......opps, dont like the chorus..... or Ahhs what ever they are.......still it is good .......I hear a lot of tremolo........not a big fan of tremolo.....bass just came in very very good.......still listening..... i think i hear water drops......nope that was my mind..... Good Guitar still...........It Just Keeps Getting biGGER AND BIGGER ........ now it is slowing .......morendo....... A Happy Song .......sounds like a welcome home song from a war movie or somthing......and it is done.

Very Good
Keep It Up!!


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Posted: Mar. 15 2005, 03:30

Quote (Jameson Kimball @ Mar. 14 2005, 23:26)
Here Come the Critical Guy, People at school refer to me as a nescent Denis Leary. LOL

Note all Comments are my opinion, and may differ from yours
Plus I write excatly what I think of the song As I listen to It
Sorry If I come out sounding like a Complete Prick

Starting Song.....
Wow nice rythym.....Like the guitar......alot.......opps, dont like the chorus..... or Ahhs what ever they are.......still it is good .......I hear a lot of tremolo........not a big fan of tremolo.....bass just came in very very good.......still listening..... i think i hear water drops......nope that was my mind..... Good Guitar still...........It Just Keeps Getting biGGER AND BIGGER ........ now it is slowing .......morendo....... A Happy Song .......sounds like a welcome home song from a war movie or somthing......and it is done.

Very Good
Keep It Up!!

Can you email me again? We really need to share our thoughts.

I don't think you're right on this song, this song sounds ABIT awkward on some moments, but in a good relaxing way, with enough variations and sublime guitar play to make it very interesting. :)

Keep it up Ecco!! :D
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Posted: Mar. 17 2005, 22:59

Quote (Jameson Kimball @ Mar. 14 2005, 23:26)
I hear a lot of tremolo........not a big fan of tremolo.....bass just came in very very good.......still listening..... i think i hear water drops......nope that was my mind..... Good Guitar still...........

hey..thanks for the feedback. We were both grinning when we read this. A totally unique form of reviewing. Don't let anyone discourage you.   :cool:


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Posted: Mar. 17 2005, 23:26

I like to help where I can...... unless it is physical labor kind of help. lol

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Posted: Mar. 18 2005, 11:04

Somehow I missed this until it popped up again recently. And the loss has been all mine.

At first I thought the introductory section (and one or two other bits) seemed a bit ragged, and I wondered if that might spoil the piece overall, but after many more listenings I've reached a completely different conclusion. I'm not sure if I can explain, because I can't comment on the technical details, but here goes.

I think this is like a rough-cut, glistening jewel. The main melody is so exquisite that it almost seems (as I think Elgar used to say) that you might have plucked it out of the air, ready-made. I wouldn't myself have thought it resembled 'Wonderful Land', particularly (though I can see why the issue has been raised). There's a lovely airy naturalness to it - I'm struggling to find the proper words, but 'natural' and 'sincere' and 'honest' are the ones that keep coming up. It lives; it breathes. I believe in it. I believe the feelings it conveys.

And so what I now think is: to heck with the bits of raggedness. They belong there. For me, they've become part of its charm - and to tidy them up may well result in the loss of something far more important - the sense of the piece as a vibrant, living piece of music, carved from real experience.

What a privilege to be able to listen to this, now, whenever I want. Thank you very much indeed; and congratulations on making something so heartfelt and true.

A little later: just listening again, now, for maybe the tenth time - oh my. Just bloody wonderful. It switches me into 'Old Softie' mode, and makes me cry.
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Posted: April 23 2005, 10:26

Sorry, we didn't realize that the link was not operable. This one should do it:
Begin


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Posted: April 23 2005, 13:30

Thank you so much! Very kind of you to take the time to make it available again. I have just downloaded it and am about to listen.  ;)

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Posted: April 23 2005, 13:39

What a beautiful piece of music. I have only heard it once yet it appeals to me more than any single track off Tr3s Lunas.

Being a keyboard player, I can only sit back and admire the wonderful guitar work on display. Well done! I hope you're very proud of this piece. Now, I'm going to go and listen again....  ;)  :D


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Posted: May 02 2005, 17:33

Love this piece Ecco. Congratulations on composing such a fantastic track. Yet again i find myself been amazed at the quality of musicianship you guys produce.. best wishes, Ratty   :)

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Posted: May 02 2005, 17:47

Good to see this surfacing again.

I can't quote any figures because I haven't been keeping count, but there's no doubt that this is the piece of music (out of all music, not just the fan tracks on here) that I've played most frequently so far in 2005, and by a big margin.

And even now, after what must be many dozens of playings, it still tears my heart to pieces. You guys are amazing to have done this.
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