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Posted: April 07 2005, 17:36

We have all read them, polls in magazines listing the top 100 guitar players EVER!!! Where is Mike in these? The most underated musician Britain has ever produced. I suggested if anyone sees one of these polls, for example Q or Uncut mags, post a notice on this sight of the contact details and we should all vote. It just makes my blood boil when the guitarists from groups such as Oasis, Travis and The Darkness to name but a few are in there and Mike isn`t. Come on guys, lets put Mike were he belongs...No 1.    :)

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Posted: April 07 2005, 21:41

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How about #3 next to Uli Jon Roth and Steve Vai


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Posted: April 08 2005, 05:48

I agree Ratty, i am also disilusioned with these polls. If i see any i will post the details on this site...great idea.
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Posted: April 08 2005, 06:36

Quote (Ratty @ April 07 2005, 17:36)
We have all read them, polls in magazines listing the top 100 guitar players EVER!!! Where is Mike in these? The most underated musician Britain has ever produced. I suggested if anyone sees one of these polls, for example Q or Uncut mags, post a notice on this sight of the contact details and we should all vote. It just makes my blood boil when the guitarists from groups such as Oasis, Travis and The Darkness to name but a few are in there and Mike isn`t.

I agree - Mike is the forgotten man!  It annoys the heck out of me too.

It's all down to his not being 'hip'.  It hasn't been hip to like Mike for years and years so the magazines pretend he never existed.  It's a chronic oversight - if ever a man was long overdue for a major critical reappraisal it's Mike.  Especially those first 4 masterpieces.

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Posted: April 08 2005, 06:37

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How about #3 next to Uli Jon Roth and Steve Vai

Those are technicians.  Show offs.  Their act is like an electric guitar circus.  Mike has more depth and more soul.

Uh....in my opinion.   :p

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Posted: April 08 2005, 06:43

It's never annoyed me, actually, but I think that might be because I never read the magazines. But at least now I have a really good reason not to read them.  :)
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Posted: April 08 2005, 06:56

I don't pay attention to those polls very much anyway: when I see Joey Ramone about 40 places above David Gilmour and Steve Howe I feel like questioning the voter's sanity. I'm talking about the Rolling Stone magazine one here. All these polls really measure is 'most famous guitarists'.

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Posted: April 08 2005, 07:03

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We have all read them, polls in magazines listing the top 100 guitar players EVER!!! Where is Mike in these?

Where is Andrés Segovia?
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Posted: April 08 2005, 07:22

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Where is Andrés Segovia?

Well to be fair these are often rock guitarist polls.

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Posted: April 08 2005, 07:27

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I don't pay attention to those polls very much anyway: when I see Joey Ramone about 40 places above David Gilmour and Steve Howe I feel like questioning the voter's sanity.

Well I'm no big Ramones fan, but I don't think that having a preference for Joey Ramone over Steve Howe would necessarily mean that insanity was the issue.

It's all about taste isn't it?

Plus I would argue that to be a guitar great is not simply to have a great technique.

Two of my favourite guitar players are Pete Townshend and Neil Young and neither of these would rank high in a list of expert guitar technicians, but they know how to make the guitar speak from their hearts.  They know how to make it talk and move and convey every emotion under the sun.

And that makes for a truly great guitar player in my book.

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Posted: April 08 2005, 08:58

I'm not sure how much "making the guitar speak from the heart... conveying every emotion under the sun" Joey Ramone ever managed  ;) . I fully agree though that this is what makes a guitarist great, that is why I rank both Neil Young (Cortez the Killer, mmm...) and Pete Townshend as great players, and my love of Gilmour and Howe is also due to those factors, and not a matter of technique. That's also why I would rank Mike above all other guitarists: I can name any one of a dozen solos that contain more emotion than many guitarists manage in a lifetime.

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Posted: April 08 2005, 09:11

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I'm not sure how much "making the guitar speak from the heart... conveying every emotion under the sun" Joey Ramone ever managed  ;)

Well he did anger and boredom and fairly fed up pretty well.

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Posted: April 08 2005, 14:13

Quote (familyjules @ April 08 2005, 13:22)
Quote (Holger @ April 08 2005, 07:03)
Where is Andrés Segovia?

Well to be fair these are often rock guitarist polls.

Jules

Sometimes they are. Sometimes though, they seem to assume that "best guitarist" means "best rock guitarist" by default.
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Posted: April 08 2005, 14:58

Quote (familyjules @ April 08 2005, 12:36)
It's all down to his not being 'hip'.  It hasn't been hip to like Mike for years and years so the magazines pretend he never existed.  It's a chronic oversight - if ever a man was long overdue for a major critical reappraisal it's Mike.  Especially those first 4 masterpieces.

Could not agree more Jules, obviously to the music press if you are not Hip and shun publicity, you dont exist in their eyes!! Regardless of how good the music is. "Cloth eared Nincompoops" springs to mind.   :/

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Posted: April 08 2005, 21:10

By the way, here is the Rolling Stone list.

My apologies Jules, it was Johnny Ramone at number 16, well above Pete Tounshend at 50 and Neil Young at 83. I also find no classical guitarists, not much jazz, no country, and lots of rock and blues.


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Posted: April 12 2005, 11:35

Without a doubt, Mike is one of the finest guitarists I have ever heard and deserves a place in the top ten. There are very few guitarists who can convey so many emotions, via a diverse range of styles in such convincing fashion. And all within the space of a few minutes. Genius.

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Posted: April 12 2005, 15:33

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By the way, here is the Rolling Stone list.

With that, you see the point of these lists!

Nobody's ever going to completely agree with them, but people love talking about them because of that, and the magazines (or TV/Radio stations) that run them get great publicity out of that (we'd not normally get people posting links to Rolling Stone here, for example - they don't usually run anything to do with Mike).

It's mostly a fashion thing, I feel. There was a list of the 50 greatest (or perhaps it was the most influential) British albums of all time run in one of the sunday papers in the UK a few years back. No Mike in there, but they did have Robert Wyatt's Rock Bottom, which they managed to talk about without mentioning Mike at all, despite the fact he played on it! I felt that many of their choices were probably there in an effort to be trendily eclectic, and I think Mike was left out that time because they don't see him as trendy (if they did, they'd have at least mentioned him in the Robert Wyatt write up, I'd have thought).
Same with classical guitarists - they're not trendy. Sadly, they fall between two stools, as the classical music world doesn't look upon them with a great deal of reverence either. John Williams gets talked about a reasonable amount, but how many people have heard of David Russell, for example? I rate him as one of the finest guitar players of any style, but I'll bet you'll never see his name mentioned even in a guitar magazine.

I knew someone once who based a lot of his record buying decisions on the classic album polls. He had a whole collection of magazines with them in, and was slowly working his way through them, ticking them off as he went (or at least, that's what I suspected). I don't know what I thought of that really, other than that we obviously had rather different approaches to music buying.

I have to say, when I see these top whatever polls, I tend to just shake my head and tell myself they're just there to sell magazines, then I go off and listen to my favourite artists, rather than the ones which are fashionable to like.
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Posted: April 12 2005, 16:54

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I also find no classical guitarists, not much jazz, no country, and lots of rock and blues.

Since it is "Rolling Stone", you would not expect to find much country, jazz, or classical. Still, Mike's in the rock realm: no reason to keep him off the list.

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Posted: April 12 2005, 19:59

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Without a doubt, Mike is one of the finest guitarists I have ever heard and deserves a place in the top ten. There are very few guitarists who can convey so many emotions, via a diverse range of styles in such convincing fashion. And all within the space of a few minutes. Genius.

Re Rolling Stone list

Brian May at 39???, Dave Gilmour at 82???, Paul Kossoff at 51??? no Mick Taylor, he and Keith Richards have contributed some great guitar to Rolling Stones songs. No Mike Oldfield?????   :O  :/ . I'm confused, All deserve a place in the top ten, or twenty at least.

Well said T4, I don't think I could put it better myself  :) .


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