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Posted: Aug. 04 2005, 18:23

Excuse me if this has been raised before, but is the Mike Oldfield who wrote a book called 'Born in the UK', which was published by Virgin in 1988, the real Mike Oldfield or just some other chap with the same name?
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Posted: Aug. 04 2005, 21:47

Only because I have never heard of the book I believe it is not the same Mike Oldfield. I have been a fan for over 30 years so I think I would have heard about it. Read the linear notes, our Mike was born in Reading, on May 15th, 1953, middle name Gordon.

P.S.- Welcome to the site and I hope we hear more from you.

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Posted: Aug. 05 2005, 00:01

From the FAQs on this website: "Note: There is a book by Mike Oldfield called Born In The UK, but this Mike Oldfield is a music journalist. He has written other books, including one about Bruce Springsteen, and he has also written for the New Musical Express (a very anti-Mike newspaper)."

I am not convinced that the book's author is Mike Oldfield, the journalist. Born in the UK is a work of fiction. It has been published by both Virgin and W.H. Allen, so who knows....(though even Carl Sagan dabbled in the realm of fiction) but hopefully we can track down the book before too long,  i.e. if it is available for interlibrary lending.

I scoped out the title in OCLC, an international bibliographic database that libraries use to share cataloging and holdings information. Only six libraries are listed as owning, and they are all in the UK and are primarily academic ones. Details:

Title: Born in the UK.
Author(s): Oldfield, Mike.  
Publication: W.H. Allen,
Year: 1988
Description: 201 p.
Language: English
Standard No: ISBN: 0863692419 (pbk) :
Material Type: Fiction (fic)

The Virgin edition isn't listed in OCLC (at least I wasn't finding it this evening), but contains the same ISBN number, as per amazon.co.uk. So...hopefully we'll know more soon.

Indeed, whoever this Mike Oldfield happens to be, he's not the one who is the subject of this corner of cyberspace. The reason for borrowing the book is to satisfy curiosity over the issue of the journalist as author--and also to see how it happens to be in the collection of some major university libraries. :)


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Posted: Aug. 08 2005, 07:44

Thanks to Inkanta & Tubular Belle for your help - after posting my query I tried reading the book and I realise now it couldn't be by the right Oldfield, as its crap.
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Posted: Aug. 08 2005, 08:39

Quote (jellytussle @ Aug. 08 2005, 06:44)
after posting my query I tried reading the book and I realise now it couldn't be by the right Oldfield, as its crap.

Ah...I had missed that you already had the book in hand. So....there isn't a hint towards the back of the book as to the identity of this particular MO (i.e., the journalist)? Interesting that a few large university libraries added it to their literature collections. I can think of several possibilities, but this is a MO forum, not collection development 101. :)


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Posted: Aug. 08 2005, 08:52

[So....there isn't a hint towards the back of the book as to the identity of this particular MO (i.e., the journalist)? ]

No, there's nothing in the book about the author at all, and as it was published by Mike Oldfield's record company Virgin I put 2 and 2 together and made 5.

BTW I think from looking at the publishing history that it was only published the once - the 'Virgin' imprint was owned by W.H. Allen at the time the book came out.

Thanks again.
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Posted: Aug. 08 2005, 14:20

Ah...that's interesting about Virgin & W.H. Allen, because Allen is listed on the OCLC bibliographic record, but not Virgin.

As to why it is held by such large academics (Cambridge and Oxford are a couple, if I recall, as well as the British Library), they may collect eveything published by UK authors or it may fill a particular genre of fiction (it was listed as fiction, 1945- I think). Oher reasons: The author may have had some association with those six places (other than the BL, which probably collects everything). Or, if it's as bad as you say, maybe it's used as an example of a really bad book. :D  :D  :D

Maybe someday between gaming and composing music, Mike should write his memoirs.  :)


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Posted: Feb. 04 2013, 23:21

In finding this topic again after Platinumpty's recent memories of this book, I've a few observations to add.  My apologies, Inkanta, if you've satisfied your curiosity in your own time over recent years!

I've a fair bit of experience with W.H. Allen and Virgin - I probably own a couple of hundred of their books, as they published Doctor Who titles for nearly 25 years.  I won't go into all the changes of ownership and imprints but W.H Allen took over from Universal-Tandem in 1976, and Robert Devereux (Richard Branson's brother-in-law) bouught them for Virgin in the late 1980's.  It's quite common for books to say inside that they are Tubular Net Books - an imprint of Olivier Lebra Publishing, and harassed compilers of catalogues will enter whatever they feel like :D  - hence Born in the UK's dual identity!

At this point, I should admit that I have no proof that any of these people coming up are one and the same.  I'm presuming so, but better research may prove otherwise.

First, I give you this Wikipedia entry for Melody Maker.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melody_Maker
[ "In 1980, after a strike which had taken the paper (along with NME) out of publication for a period, Williams left MM. Coleman promoted Michael Oldfield from the design staff to day-to-day editor, and, for a while, took it back where it had been" ]
Should this turn out to be the same man, it's entirely possible that his initial contact and contract would have preceded the Virgin takeover.  This said, I strongly suspect, that, whatever this Michael may have felt, the Virgin marketing people were well aware what effect presenting the author as 'Mike' would have...

There is at least one more book out there which is sufficiently likely to be his.
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3061325-dire-straits
I've seen this morning that there's a French-translated version as well.  Over to qjamesfloyd for matters Dire Straits related, I think!

When it comes to the confusion, I must confess that it got me every time that I saw it in libraries or bookshops.  However, my memory is that there was an author biography - either on the back cover or inside - which stated that this Mike Oldfield was a music journalist, and certainly did not refer to any success as a recording artist.  I regret ( or not! ) that I was never tempted to buy or read it.

Inkanta is our most eminent librarian, I am sure.  I am an example of a failed one - I studied towards a qualification but messed up my studies in no uncertain fashion.  I haven't kept up in recent years but I remember all sorts of bits and pieces and have lots of memories from back then.  One source of a collected database of catalogues at the time was JANET - the Joint Academic Network.  It was either in there or within the computer system of the beautiful National Library of Wales that I first saw that some people must have reckoned that the man responsible for Tubular Bells II's sheet music, also had a novel inside him.

The idea was catching.   With the recycling and sale of former stock, it's not likely that any public libraries still have a copy of Born in the UK within their collections, but Inkanta's 2005 search may have found a couple still hanging around from the 1980s; and if the author has ever been in contact with his local authority, they might hold onto their copy for his sake.  She certainly found some of the copies that make their way to the British and Irish legal deposit libraries.  There are different arrangements all round the world, and you may know what goes on at the likes of the Library of Congress or the Bibliothèque nationale de France.  Any book published in Britain and Ireland (pamphlets, newspapers and magazines too) is required to be submitted to the British Library by law.  The Bodleian at Oxford, Cambridge University Library, Triinty College in Dublin, and the National Libraries of Scotland and Wales are entitled to ask for copies too, so many are sent regardless.  Today, their catalogues are online in this world wide web, and with a bit of typing you too will see if the cataloguers were able to tell the difference! ;)


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Posted: Feb. 05 2013, 08:25

Quote (Cavalier (Lost Version) @ Feb. 05 2013, 03:21)
With the recycling and sale of former stock, it's not likely that any public libraries still have a copy of Born in the UK within their collections, but Inkanta's 2005 search may have found a couple still hanging around from the 1980s; and if the author has ever been in contact with his local authority, they might hold onto their copy for his sake.

You made me curious by saying that! A brief scan of WorldCat suggests that it's true there aren't too many copies around in public libraries - a few in London, one in Essex, then nothing apart from the legal deposit libraries (but not the National Library of Wales, I note) and a bookseller in California which has somehow managed to make its way onto the list...

Certainly in WorldCat's case, there's no distinction made between Mike Oldfield the author and Mike Oldfield the musician, but I think that no cataloguing as such has taken place there - it's merely searching for whatever words are put in (even in the case of clicking on the name, it's just generating a search query).

I did read the Dire Straits book once - not because of the author, but because of the subject matter. ;) As far as I remember, it did have an author bio on it that identified him as the music journalist (whether it mentioned the NME, Melody Maker, or both, I'm not sure) and...I suspect as author of Born in the UK as well.
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Posted: Feb. 08 2013, 18:25

It's a fair point about the limitations of string searching (if I've picked the right word there).  In these miraculous days of personalised advertising based on automatic analysis of your likes and search habits... I imagine the exact same thing would happen!

Oh, and there is no escape for the people of Wales, I'm afraid - it's there all right! :D


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Posted: Feb. 10 2013, 10:58

WorldCat from OCLC is the major international bibliographic utility used by libraries around the world to catalog their books, journals, videos, and other holdings. For an item to be included, a cataloging librarian or assistant has to either originally catalog it, or attach their library's three-letter code to an existing record. Most of the original records are created by major libraries, e.g. the Library of Congress, British Library, etc., but your neighborhood library OCLC cataloging member can contribute unique records, as well. Full cataloging with subject headings is to be used and in theory there is authority control. Not enough, though, and IMHO WorldCat has become a bit out of control and inconsistent.  I am finding it more challenging to find items in it than ever--even though it's supposedly become easier because it offers more options (keyword, title, title phrase, subject, subject phrase, etc. ). I remember the days when librarians searched with xxxx,xxxx (four letters of the author, four letters of the title).  This morning I searched it for Changeling. I used "changling" (because I am apparently incapable of spelling today) and "Oldfield" as keywords.  I wasn't finding the book at all, even though I'm pretty sure I'd found it in WorldCat before. Luckily I had the book in hand and the ISBN (International Standard Book Number). That's the only way I located it. It shouldn't be that difficult! The system could have suggested to me that I'd misspelled the word, as does Google (which can be irritating when you've actually NOT misspelled it). I tried a few other ways not involving "changling" and still couldn't find it. MARC records (e.g., standard fields, like 100 for personal authors, 110 for corporate authors, 245 for titles, etc.) have been the standard for the last 50ish years and now that is changing this coming year--moving to RDA (Resource Description & Access). So...just assume that what you want is really there but hiding.  My morning rant. :D

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