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TubularBelle Group: Members Posts: 1487 Joined: April 2004 Posted: Aug. 12 2005, 23:55 My online KODAK shop sells personalised playing cards from $30 (US I assume). I want to order 52 sets all with different photos, (they only print one photo on a whole set). 26 of them would be photos of Mike from my own collection, ranging from the black and white 1973 to the 2005 promo shots, and 26 of them would all be the MO related artwork in my collection, everything from the site basically and then some. WAIT FOR IT? ARE YOU STILL WITH ME? Then I can offer them for sale but each deck will contain 52 DIFFERENT PHOTOS OF MIKE! What I need is advice on how to set this up and a list of people who will commit to buying a deck. Well, I love it and I want a deck! Tracy. P.S. - I will not be outlaying any personal money (other than my own purchases of course), payments will have to be made up front. PLEASE REPLY EVERYONE WITH INPUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOVE YOU ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -------------- I hate getting up early. I didn't even realise there were two 6 o'clocks in one day! Back to top

TubularBelle Group: Members Posts: 1487 Joined: April 2004 Posted: Aug. 13 2005, 06:26 Okay, I have just realised the HUGE FLAW in my mastermind!!!!!! How embarrassing! Of course you can't play with cards that have 52 different pictures on the back, you would soon learn which ones were the jokers etc. But I still like the idea of having them for the novelty, I wouldn't have played with them anyway for fear of damaging them. 52 glossy pictures of Mike for $30 is good value don't you think? And the novelty factor could get you a good laugh playing poker with someone who hasn't caught on yet and them wondering why you keep winning! Guess no-one is interested seeing as how no-one has responded, oh well, will have to be happy with my one picture pack of MO playing cards. P.S.- I'm straight now and thinking more clearly, sorry guys. Tracy. -------------- I hate getting up early. I didn't even realise there were two 6 o'clocks in one day! Back to top

bonkers Group: Members Posts: 45 Joined: Dec. 2004 Posted: Aug. 16 2005, 20:55 yep it sounds very cool and so did the first idea untill you spotted out the mystake Back to top

familyjules Group: Members Posts: 1190 Joined: May 2004 Posted: Aug. 17 2005, 05:38 Quote (TubularBelle @ Aug. 13 2005, 06:26) Okay, I have just realised the HUGE FLAW in my mastermind!!!!!! How embarrassing! Of course you can't play with cards that have 52 different pictures on the back, you would soon learn which ones were the jokers etc. Why not have the photos on the front then, with just the value and suit of the cards in the corners to show which card it is?  This is standard practice with thematic playing cards. The backs could all have, say, the Tubular Bells logo.  That'd look classy! Jules -------------- I like beer and I like cheese Back to top

hiawatha Group: Members Posts: 2391 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: Aug. 17 2005, 11:39 The Oldfield deck: The backs have the "Tubular Bells" logo. Perhaps the TB2 cover: it has the most contrast and might look the best small. Instead of clubs, you have a sort of Tr3s Lunas logo with three moons close together. Instead of diamonds, you have the bell symbol itself on the cards. Instead of spades, you have a TSODE manta symbol on the cards (viewed from above so it looks like a spade) No idea for the hearts. Perhaps the body of a guitar. For the king, you have Ommadawn-era Mike Oldfield (long hair to match a card king) For the queen, you have Fanny. For the jack, you have David Bedford. For the jokers, you have Richard Branson. -------------- "In the land of the Dacotahs, Where the Falls of Minnehaha Flash and gleam among the oak-trees, Laugh and leap into the valley." - Song of Hiawatha Back to top

TubularBelle Group: Members Posts: 1487 Joined: April 2004 Posted: Aug. 17 2005, 22:19 Quote (familyjules @ Aug. 17 2005, 05:38) Why not have the photos on the front then, with just the value and suit of the cards in the corners to show which card it is?  This is standard practice with thematic playing cards. I have never heard of these, would have to see if KODAK do it but I doubt it as they would like to make money in the simplest way possible. It would however stop me from getting the urge to turn the cards around and look at the pictures, thus revealing my hand to the opposition, which they would have guessed already anyway! Have sent KODAK an email, still waiting a response. I think the novelty deck is still a good idea, got to keep it simple, trying to find 52 interested people is going to be hard enough. @Hiawatha, cute, but the whole idea is to get 52 different pictures of Mike and related art. And you would have to order 8 decks in order to get just one deck with only 8 pictures. I assume you were just joking?! -------------- I hate getting up early. I didn't even realise there were two 6 o'clocks in one day! Back to top

TubularBelle Group: Members Posts: 1487 Joined: April 2004 Posted: Aug. 19 2005, 01:43 I have posted a few examples in the 'Gallery' under 'Miscellaneous' in the thread 'Mike Oldfield Playing Cards'. If anyone knows how to insert a link here I would be very gratefull, thankyou. Tracy. Now I get it, thematic playing cards, cards with a theme!! I am quick today. -------------- I hate getting up early. I didn't even realise there were two 6 o'clocks in one day! Back to top

familyjules Group: Members Posts: 1190 Joined: May 2004 Posted: Aug. 19 2005, 05:00 Quote (TubularBelle @ Aug. 19 2005, 01:43) Now I get it, thematic playing cards, cards with a theme!! I am quick today. Heh.  You got it! Jules -------------- I like beer and I like cheese Back to top

Tansy Group: Members Posts: 416 Joined: April 2005 Posted: Aug. 19 2005, 05:16 Quote (familyjules @ Aug. 17 2005, 05:38) Quote (TubularBelle @ Aug. 13 2005, 06:26) Okay, I have just realised the HUGE FLAW in my mastermind!!!!!! How embarrassing! Of course you can't play with cards that have 52 different pictures on the back, you would soon learn which ones were the jokers etc. Why not have the photos on the front then, with just the value and suit of the cards in the corners to show which card it is?  This is standard practice with thematic playing cards. The backs could all have, say, the Tubular Bells logo.  That'd look classy! Jules Many good ideas will have flaws in them until you iron them out.A thematic design would work really well with the TB logo on the backs of the cards.Which image would you use though? Think silver/grey theme would be dramatic enough and act as a contrast to the colours in most of the photos on the front. Was just thinking about games in general.For example,more & more versions of the classic Monopoly seem to be springing up all over the place - Pokemon(when the craze was at it's height),Elvis,and theres even an Essex one on display in a shop window in my locality.Tubular Monopoly then?! Sure RB could feature somewhere in it's design. Back to top

TubularBelle Group: Members Posts: 1487 Joined: April 2004 Posted: Aug. 19 2005, 06:04 The problem is that I don't think KODAK can do the cards with the pictures on the front, am still waiting to hear from them. Have a look at my examples, I found the 'Tubular Bells 4' design to be the most dramatic even though it is not an official design. -------------- I hate getting up early. I didn't even realise there were two 6 o'clocks in one day! Back to top

Tansy Group: Members Posts: 416 Joined: April 2005 Posted: Aug. 19 2005, 06:51 After looking at your photo examples(which are quite impressive must say)the gold logo with black background looks both bold & classy but,think the logo would be better if it were a little smaller perhaps? Of course,the powers that be will effect any further progress. But that's only a small hurdle.I sincerely hope this can get off the ground at some stage.Good ideas,determination,and so on-can really make things happen. Back to top

TubularBelle Group: Members Posts: 1487 Joined: April 2004 Posted: Aug. 19 2005, 08:02 Yeh I would trim and resize all the pictures to fit perfectly before I sent them, they say they do it themselves but I wouldn't trust them. Like most of the pics I have are 'landscape' but I will change them to 'portrait' instead. I'm working on that now. -------------- I hate getting up early. I didn't even realise there were two 6 o'clocks in one day! Back to top

Korgscrew Group: Super Admins Posts: 3511 Joined: Dec. 1999 Posted: Aug. 19 2005, 08:43 Quote (TubularBelle @ Aug. 18 2005, 03:19) I think the novelty deck is still a good idea, got to keep it simple, trying to find 52 interested people is going to be hard enough. Not as hard as clearing the copyright on 52 images from different sources. In the case of things like album artwork, you can be opening a huge bag of worms, where you find that different people have different ideas about who owns the rights... You may find that Kodak will refuse to print them if you don't have clearance - certainly, selling things which you don't have the rights to is generally considered a rather dubious activity, and could get someone into a lot of hot water. Back to top

hiawatha Group: Members Posts: 2391 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: Aug. 19 2005, 11:09 "And the game never ends, when the project depends. If they're friendly with copyright for our cards." -------------- "In the land of the Dacotahs, Where the Falls of Minnehaha Flash and gleam among the oak-trees, Laugh and leap into the valley." - Song of Hiawatha Back to top

TubularBelle Group: Members Posts: 1487 Joined: April 2004 Posted: Aug. 19 2005, 23:18 Quote (Korgscrew @ Aug. 19 2005, 08:43) Not as hard as clearing the copyright on 52 images from different sources. In the case of things like album artwork, you can be opening a huge bag of worms, where you find that different people have different ideas about who owns the rights... You may find that Kodak will refuse to print them if you don't have clearance - certainly, selling things which you don't have the rights to is generally considered a rather dubious activity, and could get someone into a lot of hot water. I didn't even think of that. Well practically all the pics I have are from this site and you don't have copyright permission to display them do you, anyone can post pics on here and anyone can take them for their own use, or is that not allowed as well? I could possibly forgo any with album art and still have enough, and some are from people on this site so no hassle asking their permission, but the rest???? I doubt I would have a problem just ordering one set for myself and I'm not really 'selling' them, it's more like just collecting them for other people. I'm not out to make a profit on them. Certainly ordering 52 packets at once would look dubious, but if I ordered them one at a time, maybe?! So if KODAK agreed to do them, would that then take the responsibility away from me? Are you advising me to can the idea? Because I can't get permission from 52 different sources. -------------- I hate getting up early. I didn't even realise there were two 6 o'clocks in one day! Back to top

Inkanta Group: Admins Posts: 1453 Joined: Feb. 2000 Posted: Aug. 20 2005, 00:17 Quote (TubularBelle @ Aug. 19 2005, 22:18) Quote (Korgscrew @ Aug. 19 2005, 08:43) Not as hard as clearing the copyright on 52 images from different sources.   I didn't even think of that. Well practically all the pics I have are from this site and you don't have copyright permission to display them do you, anyone can post pics on here and anyone can take them for their own use, or is that not allowed as well? So if KODAK agreed to do them, would that then take the responsibility away from me? Copyright is an incredibly thorny issue. It can extend to images that one creates, draws, modifies, even paints in frosting of copyrighted works, if you're selling or have the appearance of doing so. If you're not selling the image, "fair use" comes into play, like here with the gallery at tubular.net, and is generally tolerated. If people started selling those images without copyright clearance, it could be deemed an infringement, even if they were not recouping money. The Illegal Art Exhibit is an interesting example of how carried away this whole thing can get. That's basically US Copyright Law including the DMCA; the Berne Convention covers international aspects of copyright and it all manages to somehow work together. I don't know what Kodak's agreement would do---you'd have to get legal advice on that one. I had thought it would be cool to design a tarot deck weaving symbolism from both the tarot and various designs and concepts within MO covers and songs (for example, Heaven's Open could be the card of death; the four knights could be all on horseback, one in summer, one in winter, rain, and sun). But it's too much of a copyright nightmare. ))-: And actually, maybe someday if I ever get the time I might dabble, but I doubt anyone will ever know. (-: -------------- "No such thing as destiny; only choices exist." From:  Moongarden's "Solaris." Back to top

TubularBelle Group: Members Posts: 1487 Joined: April 2004 Posted: Aug. 20 2005, 00:29 If you aren't recouping any money then how can you  be accused of selling but obviously if anyone wanted to make a fuss they could. It sounds like KODAK would be more inclined to get into trouble than I would so they probably won't agree to do them. Will send them another email, see what they say. I'm prepared to take the risk if they are prepared to print them for me. -------------- I hate getting up early. I didn't even realise there were two 6 o'clocks in one day! Back to top

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