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Posted: Jan. 27 2010, 14:38

Hello.

I'm looking for a post by Alan D but I just can't remember the topic. In that thread he talked about four 'elements' that need to be good in order to make music sound good. He was quoting a poet or some other artist.

I need this information so that I can write reviews. Of course I can write reviews anyway, but this would give me a wonderful frame.
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Posted: Jan. 27 2010, 20:00

Yes, I remember that conversation. It was in the context of a discussion about Kant, if that helps to jog your memory. Why not ask Alan himself?
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Posted: Jan. 28 2010, 09:44

Thanks, Nightspore. But I still couldn't find it after searching for quite some time. It could be an off topic post, so finding it might be impossible even if I go through all the topic titles. Maybe Alan would remember, yes, but I was under the impression that he hasn't been here lately.
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Posted: Jan. 30 2010, 07:13

Quote (Harmono @ Jan. 27 2010, 19:38)
I'm looking for a post by Alan D but I just can't remember the topic. In that thread he talked about four 'elements' that need to be good in order to make music sound good. He was quoting a poet or some other artist.

Hello Harmono. Matt gave me a nudge to tell me about your query. The number 4 suggests that either I was talking about Ruskin, or about Blake. I'm wondering if the thread you remember is this one.

If you scroll down the first page of that thread to my post on May 24 2007 at 09:06, I mention Blake's 'fourfold vision' there - I wonder if that's the one? That four-fold approach to things is something that both Ruskin and Blake adopted. (If you think this is what you want, I can send you a copy of an article I wrote a few years ago about it, if you PM your email address to me.)
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Posted: Jan. 30 2010, 13:46

Quote (Alan D @ Jan. 30 2010, 13:13)
Quote (Harmono @ Jan. 27 2010, 19:38)
I'm looking for a post by Alan D but I just can't remember the topic. In that thread he talked about four 'elements' that need to be good in order to make music sound good. He was quoting a poet or some other artist.

Hello Harmono. Matt gave me a nudge to tell me about your query. The number 4 suggests that either I was talking about Ruskin, or about Blake. I'm wondering if the thread you remember is this one.

If you scroll down the first page of that thread to my post on May 24 2007 at 09:06, I mention Blake's 'fourfold vision' there - I wonder if that's the one? That four-fold approach to things is something that both Ruskin and Blake adopted. (If you think this is what you want, I can send you a copy of an article I wrote a few years ago about it, if you PM your email address to me.)

Ah, you still exist. Good. I don't think the post and thread I'm looking for is the same one that you're referring to.

I remember, somewhat clearly, that one of the 'elements' mentioned is the actual physical sound of an instrument, how it pleases the listener. I recall you giving a detailed description of  four 'elements' in form of a list.

I hope I don't have false memories of this. It would be great to have a frame on which to build a review. Since the critic is always presenting his biased viewpoint, it would be beneficial to try to avoid some of that by writing about aspects that are not important to the critic. For example: I might praise Mike Oldfield for his composing but in doing so, I might forget that, even if what has been said is true, the actual sound of his guitar might hurt someone's ears and thus make it all bad. I have already incorporated this aspect in to my 'reviewing' - I don't just say "it's elctronic" or "the instruments are ethnic". I try to be more presice and compare things so that the text is helpful. That is the goal.

So I have one 'element', the sound. But what are the others?
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Posted: Jan. 30 2010, 16:34

Quote (Harmono @ Jan. 30 2010, 18:46)
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[quote=Alan D,Jan. 30 2010, 13:13]I remember, somewhat clearly, that one of the 'elements' mentioned is the actual physical sound of an instrument, how it pleases the listener. I recall you giving a detailed description of  four 'elements' in form of a list. ...

So I have one 'element', the sound. But what are the others?


I'm racking my brain to try to recall what it was I must have been saying - I haven't found a thread like the one you describe yet, but your description does sound very much like one of Blake's ideas. Blake thought that our response to art (or life, for that matter) could be divided into four 'elements' which we could think of roughly as
1. the senses
2. the intellect
3. the emotions
4. the imagination

And Blake would have said we need to find some way of unifying these elements when we respond to art (eg music). So, we should be aware of our sensual response (which I think is the one you refer to when you talk about the  physical sound); we should 'feel' the music (emotional response); we should be able to follow its structure, rationally (intellectual response); and the imagination is capable of rising above all these and combining them, leading to something like inspiration, or a kind of exalted state, when everything comes together as it should. The point is that each of the elements is important, but none of them, individually, is enough.

Does this ring any bells? (Tubular, or otherwise?)
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Posted: Jan. 30 2010, 16:56

Aha! Harmono, I've found the thread you're looking for. It's here. See my post at May 19, 2008, at 19:20.

Hoorah!
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Posted: Jan. 30 2010, 20:12

Quote (Alan D @ Jan. 30 2010, 16:56)
Aha! Harmono, I've found the thread you're looking for. It's here. See my post at May 19, 2008, at 19:20.

Hoorah!

Yes, I should have remembered this thread - I started it! Incidentally, welcome back, Alan. Why not stick around? I'll publicly apologize for upsetting you if it will help!
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Posted: Jan. 31 2010, 15:07

Quote (Alan D @ Jan. 30 2010, 22:56)
Aha! Harmono, I've found the thread you're looking for. It's here. See my post at May 19, 2008, at 19:20.

Hoorah!

Well done, Alan!

What happens often in music reviews is that, even if what has been said is insightful, something relevant is left out. I guess it happens most often when the review is not favourable. I'd like my reviews to always be helpful to as many readers as possible, even  if I express my personal dislike. This 'checklist', I believe, will prove to be helpful. (Of course I do also need knowledge of different genres in order to give good reviews.)
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Posted: Jan. 31 2010, 17:05

My pleasure. Good luck with the reviewing, Harmono.
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