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HRFanUSA Group: Members Posts: 128 Joined: May 2009 Posted: Oct. 19 2009, 20:44 Okay - I've got to vent, lol. The thing I've always loved about CDs in jewel cases is the fact I can replace the case after a few years, keeping the insert and tray card looking brand new, after all, my music collection is priceless to me. Lately there is this trend to "go green", which I totally agree with - but how is putting a CD in digipack/slipcase making a difference, considering people are throwing away millions of plastic water bottles ? Forgive me for my ignorance but why attack CDs, especially considering how much they cost? I loved LPs but the covers eventually got scuffed or dinged. I was elated when CDs came out, not only for their sound quality, but because the album artwork was protected. Now it seems many new releases are digipacks, (like MOTS) and I end up returning most of them because they are bent/dented etc... Not to mention they don't stand up to everyday wear and tear. These are just some thoughts of mine but in the meantime, I'll stick with the tried and true jewel cases... What do you think? Back to top

3Wheeler Group: Members Posts: 828 Joined: Aug. 2007 Posted: Oct. 20 2009, 04:10 The Original Digipak With the centre for the Cd Im quite a Fan of Although sometimes theyre made slightly Oversize & Wont fit the Storage tray to Well..  Ok if youve got no Kids & Animals Basically..lol...  But Lately ive bought a Few Albums in Truely awful Cardboard Sleeves... Firstly you need a Pair of pliers To Extract The Cd & Secondly the Glue Fails after a Few Months so youre left with Dirty Cds & more Recycle for the Bin... Progress ehh.. -------------- We're Flying Aeroflot, We've Got Reservations. Back to top

Dirk Star Group: Members Posts: 1331 Joined: Sep. 2007 Posted: Oct. 20 2009, 05:23 I agree with the cardboard sleeve thing slipped over the top of the jewel case.Total waste of time and always throw them straight in the bin.I think I read once that Elton John has a shredder specificaly for that purpose alone.All they do is slow you down in actualy getting the cd out to play the thing.Completely pointless.And in truth the more complicated the cd is to get out the case,the less likely I am to play it in the future.Sometimes I`ll just kind of glance one when I`m perusing through the shelf wondering what to listen to and think to myself..."Yeah well that`s not going on for a start,way too fiddly"... As for the digipak revolution,yeah I mean they all look fine and dandy.But let`s face it if you actualy play these things on a regular basis what are they gonna` look like in ten-fifteen years time.My copy of Kate Bush`s Ariel for instance is already starting to look like it would`nt be out of place on the Antiques Roadshow.I`ll be blowed down if I`m buying the bastards again that`s for sure.Nobody`s still paying me for some houses I decorated back in 1985.Maybe some bright spark will start selling plastic sleeves to slip over the outside of the digipaks like they did with records.Thus making it even more time consuming to listen to an album. Of course you could always start ripping your entire music collection to flac and put it onto an external hard drive and then run it through your hi-fi so as not to degrade the sound quality too much.If I start now I should be finished by the time I`m about 150 years old,or when the final release of the Mike Oldfield re-masters comes out.Whichever one comes first I guess. Back to top

The Caveman Group: Members Posts: 2178 Joined: Jan. 2008 Posted: Oct. 20 2009, 09:16 Lol.I'm all for being green but is the point not somewhat missed when you go buy it and it's sealed in celophane? There was craze the Japanese had a few years back to try to reproduce the original albums sleaves and this gave rise to the dreaded digipack!Pointless bloody things.Jewel cases are the only things i know to keep my cds in good nick.The digipack is as useless as a badly made LP cover.As Dirk says the glue gives way in exactly the same way as LP covers did so maybe the Japanese designers were going for true authenticity! And as for the cardboard slip over the cd jewel case?Pointless excercise as they get scuffed to hell when i try to extract them from my CD storage cabinet.And there's not much green in producing them at all! -------------- THE COMING OF THE GREAT WHITE HANDKERCHEIF IS NIGH. Back to top

HRFanUSA Group: Members Posts: 128 Joined: May 2009 Posted: Oct. 20 2009, 09:44 Thanks Caveman - and everyone else who's commented on this topic. I'm glad I'm not alone as I certainly don't spend $15 or more for a CD just to toss it in the trash, and yes, the slip cases and digipacks don't exactly fit in my CD shelves either. As far as the Japanese releases with "faithful" LP covers, well they're too darned expensive to start with though I admit they look nice. I guess I just don't understand why the music industry keeps trying to change formats when they already achieved the perfect product to start with. Oh - and now they think I'm going to Wal-Mart to buy an MP3 flash memory card for new releases? I guess I'm getting too old for all this... Back to top

Scatterplot Group: Members Posts: 1981 Joined: Dec. 2007 Posted: Oct. 20 2009, 12:34 I'm not sure I know what digipack means....please enlighten me. I download what I want to hear. As far as CD's, jewel cases, I prefer the slim cases. But the ones I bought like Amarok and many others were ripped to 320KBs MP3 long ago and reside in an external HD. I click and listen at my whim while the CD sits in a box in the closet. Is that green? I think so as I have not purchased a "physical" CD in years. But I do burn the archive music to data DVD in a slimline case. I guess when I die those data DVD's will not be green but some fool will hopefully keep them and enjoy them hopefully for years. Jim -------------- We raise our voices in the night Crying to heaven And will our voices be heard Or will they break Like the wind Back to top

The Caveman Group: Members Posts: 2178 Joined: Jan. 2008 Posted: Oct. 20 2009, 12:39 Digipacks are the thin laminated cardboards sleeves.Bit like a mini LP sleeve and a bugger to get the cd out of! -------------- THE COMING OF THE GREAT WHITE HANDKERCHEIF IS NIGH. Back to top

Scatterplot Group: Members Posts: 1981 Joined: Dec. 2007 Posted: Oct. 20 2009, 13:06 I see, kinda like when the elderly Eagles came out with "Long Road Out Of Eden"(Great title track tho-classic!. Uh huh. Yee how. I git it. Fer Sure. -------------- We raise our voices in the night Crying to heaven And will our voices be heard Or will they break Like the wind Back to top

Sir Mustapha Group: Musicians Posts: 2802 Joined: April 2003 Posted: Oct. 20 2009, 18:54 I've always had a huge gripe with two components of the jewel case: the teeth that hold the CD in place, that tend to break easily unless they're extra-strong, and the teeth that hold the booklet in place, that tend to ruin booklets with a certain thickness. -------------- Check out http://ferniecanto.com.br for all my music, including my latest albums: Don't Stay in the City, Making Amends and Builders of Worlds. Also check my Bandcamp page: http://ferniecanto.bandcamp.com Back to top

captainjjb Group: Members Posts: 310 Joined: Feb. 2006 Posted: Oct. 21 2009, 16:26 I used to collect but now don't own anything, no CD's, no vinyl, no signed 1980 tour program (yes I used to have one).  When you die you have nothing anyway, so just enjoy whilst you're here. Back to top

Dirk Star Group: Members Posts: 1331 Joined: Sep. 2007 Posted: Oct. 22 2009, 03:32 Quote (captainjjb @ Oct. 21 2009, 21:26) I used to collect but now don't own anything, no CD's, no vinyl, no signed 1980 tour program (yes I used to have one).  When you die you have nothing anyway, so just enjoy whilst you're here. It`s crossed my mind recently just to get rid of everything partly because of that.The only reason why I hav`nt mentioned it to the wife yet is because it would be already gone and out the door I guess... Plus as well when we do die assuming most of us live to be a ripe old age.Is there gonna` be much point passing all this stuff down to anybody? ..."If you look after your cd`s properly they should last you a lifetime" .. Oh wow that`s amazing,the white heat of technology strikes again daddio.And then with all this talk of people living longer into infinity and beyond etc.Who`s to say in your own twilight years they`re even going to work at all? There`s probably a good guarntee particularly for the younger folks here,that they`re pretty much gonna` be useless I guess.Yet another re-cycling nightmare just waiting to happen. Of course you could just download everything as is the current trend and store it on your pc`s,Ipod`s,portable devices etc.You know stuff that`s even more finite than the cd`s themselves.So then you end up backing it up on more bloody cd`s or maybe dvd`s to be more realistic.It`s ridiculous really when you think about it.You know at least with a hard backed book if you take good care of it,it might last a few hundred years I suppose,passed down through generations or something.The print does`nt just suddenly start disappearing from off the pages is what I`m trying to say there.When will the white heat of technology invent the musical equivalent of the hard backed book?There`d be an economic meltdown would`nt there.Oh wait hav`nt we just had one of those?... And now I leave you with the wise and slightly bitter words of Mr Andy Partridge circa 1983... Funk pop a roll beats up my soul Oozing like napalm from the speakers and grill Of your radio Into the mouths of babes And across the backs of its willing slaves Funk pop a roll consumes you whole Gulping in your opium so copiously from a disco Everything you eat is waste But swallowing is easy when it has no taste They can fix you rabbits up With your musical feed They can fix you rabbits up Big money selling you stuff that you really do not need Funk pop a roll for fish in shoals Music by the yard for the children they keep Like poseable dolls The young to them are mistakes Who only want bread but they're force-fed cake Funk pop a roll the only goal The music business is a hammer to keep You pegs in your holes But please don't listen to me I've already been poisoned by this industry Funk pop a roll beats up my soul Back to top

Sir Mustapha Group: Musicians Posts: 2802 Joined: April 2003 Posted: Oct. 22 2009, 06:00 I think CDs are already obsolete. They were valid for bringing music into the digital age for public consumption, and for keeping the idea of the "album" more or less intact, but, really? What a lousy format: too small to be lush, too big and fragile to be convenient. It's sort of in between LP's and Flash sticks, taking only the worst from the two worlds. But I don't think we, as a society, have fully realised the possibilities that the digital technology have brought us. This age is not called the Third Industrial Revolution for nothing: we have no idea what this represents yet. Just think of how we have, amongst thousands of other kinds of things, music, in its purest form (not a score, not a record, not an expensive box with a plastic disc inside -- just the data that matters), jumping around from place to place in the form of pure energy. Yes, its often stored in magnetic disks and Flash drives, but we never, ever had this thing floating around the aether of electrical wires, optical fibres and electromagnetic waves like this! Perhaps humanity will find even better, more efficient ways of doing it, but me, I'm a big supporter of what we have now: music is not a luxury item, a physical object, an expensive box. Music is pure energy. Even though it's nice to have it boxed inside a bigger artistic whole, but in its essence, music is only energy. -------------- Check out http://ferniecanto.com.br for all my music, including my latest albums: Don't Stay in the City, Making Amends and Builders of Worlds. Also check my Bandcamp page: http://ferniecanto.bandcamp.com Back to top

Scatterplot Group: Members Posts: 1981 Joined: Dec. 2007 Posted: Oct. 22 2009, 09:57 But it's very organized energy(in some cases like MO, YES, etc.) which took time planning and effort(and money!. -------------- We raise our voices in the night Crying to heaven And will our voices be heard Or will they break Like the wind Back to top

3Wheeler Group: Members Posts: 828 Joined: Aug. 2007 Posted: Oct. 22 2009, 13:13 Seems to Me whatever you Do theres a Drawback... At Least with a CD youve got something in Your Hand with some sort of Resale Value..  A Music File is Worthless..  Yeah  with a Big MP3 Collection Youll need to be Backing up Somewhere...     Think Ill carry on Chin Stroking for a Year or too Yet lol.. -------------- We're Flying Aeroflot, We've Got Reservations. Back to top

Scatterplot Group: Members Posts: 1981 Joined: Dec. 2007 Posted: Oct. 22 2009, 13:34 I'm into thinking the best way to keep/play your music is in the Hard Drive. My favs are all backed up on DVD-data discs, but hey....I just click.......just click. If this is about recycling, throw the damn CD's in the recycling box when you feel heart palpitations at 48(as I do). I can access my fav. songs quicker now than when I was 17. Trouble is......my "pool" of music has grown so small since. All my posts lately are depressing, I think I'll cut down.....like cigs or alcohol. Point being.....if you feel the need to organize your music be it MP3 or FLAC, put it in a folder, organized to your whims. Have fun....... -------------- We raise our voices in the night Crying to heaven And will our voices be heard Or will they break Like the wind Back to top

Dirk Star Group: Members Posts: 1331 Joined: Sep. 2007 Posted: Oct. 23 2009, 04:16 Yeah I`m the same Jim got most of my favourites on the external hard drive,and backed up on dvd`s.Part of the reason again why I`ve considered getting rid of all the cd`s I guess.Plus I suppose if I ever did start to "miss" anything in the future that I maybe had`nt ripped to the hd,it`s not like it`s too difficult to find any of this stuff on line.Or just listen to it through one of these vast music libraries that are around nowadays such as lastfm or Spotify etc... @Sir M I liked your post very much,and maybe I was a little harsh on the digital age in my own previous post to be fair.The rants of a slightly cynical middle aged man and all that.Music is a strange thing to kind of harnass or package is`nt it as it just kind of goes up into the air.I liked your description of music in it`s purest form,and I guess it`s easy for all of us to lose touch with that.Also I agree that cd`s have probably had their day now,although I liked the fact that you mentioned that at least cd`s kept the album alive so`s to speak.That for me is something I`d still like to see kept as an important concept if you like in the future.Great albums to me are like great works of art,and it would be a shame I feel if that was kind of lost somehow.I`m not saying there has to be any kind of rigid structure there,or indeed a real life packaged object that I have a need to get my hands on.Or display up on a shelf I guess as a symbol of taste and sensibility.Yeah they`re nice to have I would`nt argue with that.But at the end of the day they`re transient objects,they decay and moulder as we do ourselves.Maybe in truth it`s myself I`m wanting to get into cold storage rather than the cd`s & zeros and ones themselves. And yeah we should support what we have now absolutely.I have to concede I`m a damn sight better off now than I was with my Binatone Mono Tape Deck back in 1979.Although I was still only 13 back then and sprouting hair and hormones.Mind you that side of it has`nt changed very much really,it`s just that the hair tends to sprout out in different places nowadays. Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4770 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: Oct. 23 2009, 08:21 Quote (Sir Mustapha @ Oct. 20 2009, 18:54) I've always had a huge gripe with two components of the jewel case: the teeth that hold the CD in place, that tend to break easily unless they're extra-strong, and the teeth that hold the booklet in place, that tend to ruin booklets with a certain thickness. The Grand Parade of Lifeless Packaging? Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Oct. 23 2009, 16:31 Quote (nightspore @ Oct. 23 2009, 14:21) Quote (Sir Mustapha @ Oct. 20 2009, 18:54) I've always had a huge gripe with two components of the jewel case: the teeth that hold the CD in place, that tend to break easily unless they're extra-strong, and the teeth that hold the booklet in place, that tend to ruin booklets with a certain thickness. The Grand Parade of Lifeless Packaging? @ nightspore: Very good! @ Sir M.: I agree with you. I generally tend to remove thick booklets from CD boxes and store them separately for the very reason that you've mentioned - that those half-moon-shaped placeholders wreck them. I'm still very much attached to physical CDs. I don't have an iPod, I buy as little digital music as I possibly can (i.e. only when I cannot find a song anywhere else) - I still enjoy holding shiny discs within my hands, I still enjoy smelling that characteristic smell that new booklets from just-unwrapped CDs have, and of course I still enjoy looking at the booklets and at their contents. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

Starwatcher Group: Members Posts: 129 Joined: June 2004 Posted: Oct. 25 2009, 09:38 Quote I'm still very much attached to physical CDs. I don't have an iPod, I buy as little digital music as I possibly can (i.e. only when I cannot find a song anywhere else) - I still enjoy holding shiny discs within my hands, I still enjoy smelling that characteristic smell that new booklets from just-unwrapped CDs have, and of course I still enjoy looking at the booklets and at their contents. Nice to know that there is still a brother-in-mind.... Nobody could have expressed my own feelings better.   But I suspect time will work against us...   -------------- "...but every while I would remember..." Back to top

The Caveman Group: Members Posts: 2178 Joined: Jan. 2008 Posted: Oct. 26 2009, 04:56 I do own an ipod but i will mourn the passing of the cd when it inevitably happens.Nearly all my stuff on my ipod i actually own and i use the ipod as a convenient way to carry a lot of my cds (remember carrying loads of cassettes around in the walkman days?).CD's were and still are a great system (except for the cases cracking,the teeth breaking etc)but the end is nigh i suspect. -------------- THE COMING OF THE GREAT WHITE HANDKERCHEIF IS NIGH. Back to top

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