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Posted: Aug. 20 2011, 15:15

Trying to record some stuff. Very hard for me, because I'm not precise at all, I do tons of mistakes. Starting with Chopin's Suffocation (actually harder for your back than your lung, it makes you bend down like crazy on the keyboard). So emotional yet so logical, so easy yet so tricky.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MddBtjTSnR4

It's more dynamic than 'Piano Improvisation'. :cool:
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Posted: Aug. 20 2011, 18:04

Nice One.
I'm not at all familiar with the original, but it's sounds quite sad.
I would love to hear some strings in there as well (Is that sacrilegious) to heighten the emotion like Broad Sunlit Uplands, anyway good job.
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Posted: Aug. 20 2011, 18:33

It's pretty sad, yes, wikipedia says he had it played at his funeral along with "Mozart's" requiem.

It's basically a downward chromatic scale that lasts 2 minutes. Vangelis sometimes does it but he lasts only a few seconds. :)

The plastic sustain pedal sucks, I screwed up at 0:53.
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Posted: Aug. 21 2011, 10:56

I love this piece of music. I play it almost every time I'm playing for relaxation.

Good job.

Cheers,
Terry.


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Posted: Aug. 22 2011, 02:56

Lovely.

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Posted: Nov. 27 2011, 22:26

Did it again with video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgonYxat4Bo

http://soundcloud.com/didlybom/chopin-suffocation
(wondering if some soundclouders compose having in mind to produce a nice looking sound wave (instead of one looking like a missile))

When I did it the 1st time, I thought, ok I can play it better but I'm too lazy. Then this week-end I decided to give it another shot and realize it's extremely hard to improve. So to avoid depression, I'm now saying to myself that some external help would allow me to be better, like a teacher.
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Posted: Nov. 28 2011, 00:40

I meant to say this the first time round...

I find it both great AND frustrating that a printed piece of music can be interpreted in different ways. To my ears I play this completely differently with different pauses, different emphasis, etc and I'm sure given 10 pianists there would be 10 different interpretations - all of which will still accurately play what's printed!

Is that a good thing? If I like a piece of music should I be able to know what I'll hear or should I have to listen to different interpretations before buying?

As I say, its both good and bad... and just like the music itself it's probably all a matter of opinion and interpretation!

Cheers,
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Posted: Nov. 28 2011, 01:14

And... what is it about your playing that you feel needs to improve? It sounded marvellous to me!

I know that I'm exceptionally critical of my playing when I see it on video - my left hand's fingers are too straight, my left wrist is too rigid, etc but other people hear the music.

When I'm plyaing this Chopin piece myself I have problems making sure that all the notes in the left hand chords sound at the same time but you seem to have that sorted... so what do YOU think needs to be improved?

All that a teacher will do is tell you to slow it down, practice the problem parts separately, each hand independently, and then put them together. She/He might even get a metronome out to make sure you can play the notes robotically before putting the emotion back in. Then again, you can do all this yourself but I think a teacher is the external 'judge' that you need to impress so you might be more likely to make the extra effort to impress the teacher than if you're just doing it for yourself.

Sorry... I'm waffling now... but I think this is a great rendition - tonight I'll be playing it on my piano for sure.

Cheers,
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Posted: Nov. 28 2011, 01:52

Yes, amazing how many interpretations there are.

In this video, I hate the first of the 3 chords at the end. I'd try to record it again, it would be another problem. I can't seem to play "perfectly" for longer than a few seconds. Plus I don't have enough control and precision, some notes are too loud, some are too weak. Again, I'd play it again, it wouldn't be the same notes that are louder than I wanted.

I feel better when I watch rock concerts, but I feel very humbled when I watch classical music performances.

My fingers are all over the place, but for some reason I don't care, I'm not convinced rounded fingers would sound better. I'm always fascinated when watching surgeons though, I think it's pretty cool to move your fingers just enough, not more.

So by "improve" I mean have my fingers and my foot steadily do what I want.
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Posted: Dec. 06 2011, 00:30

again....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcO-cY0JS8M

Perhaps a bit too fast. More interesting than the previous interpretation, more "pulse".
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Posted: Oct. 28 2012, 16:29

and here is the Vangelis-style version: Electrocution

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PU72zBLtqlc
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Posted: Oct. 29 2012, 10:40

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wondering if some soundclouders compose having in mind to produce a nice looking sound wave (instead of one looking like a missile)


Very funny indeed. I for one am one of these people who produces  sounds on Soundcloud and i really don't care what it looks like.
To me it's just fun making music knowing that we cannot all be talented like Chopin.


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Posted: Oct. 29 2012, 13:27

;) ..or like Vangelis or Mike Oldfield ! The most important is making music !
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Posted: Oct. 29 2012, 15:34

Well said Phil and Mark..Yeah you gotta do it for the fun of it...I do.. as I'm sure Olivier does too...It's a great escape  :)
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Posted: Oct. 29 2012, 23:16

I'm sure he does.

I had been following this discussion between Olivier and Terry with great interest. It's always nice to hear what different interpretations can be given to a piece of music. And since the two of them are more talented than me i found it very entertaining. But when Olivier made his remark about the music on Soundcloud i thought it was time to step in. Terry is much to polite, but since i'm Dutch i'm blunt.

I agree with Olivier on the fact that not all music posted on Soundcloud is to my liking, But he should have realised that by stating such a remark he could be very discouraging to youngsters whose dream it is to share their talent with the world (present or not).

I'm nearly fifty years old. I know my limitations. And i don't get insulted anymore, i can only laugh about remarks like that.


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Posted: Oct. 30 2012, 00:17

Better electric take:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47lM6Hvin-0

I was just criticizing the look of soundcloud, I don't like to see the soundwave. For this Chopin piece for example, you can see the silence and the 3 chords at the end, it ruins the experience a little bit.
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Posted: Oct. 30 2012, 06:25

In that case i misunderstood completely, and an apology is in its place...

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