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Posted: Feb. 01 2010, 23:27

This post is not mean to provoke. It's just how I feel.

Before coming on the internet (it was somewhere after Millennium Bell) and read about Mike Oldfield, I was already a fan, loving all his albums, sincerely; I never knew any other person who liked his music in my social circle so I could never really know how people were seeing his music. For me it have always been obvious that his music is, and will be the best I will ever know in my life. I know it, and until I die I really doubt that an other artist will surpass him in my music chart. It may sound exaggerated, but I think it's impossible.

I've always been surprised, with each new album I discovered, how intensely he could trigger my imagination, and enter my inner world with such greatness. His music made me feel so well, I had the profound feeling that I had found my musical mentor. I found the music I was searching for; the music that made me feel that I am not alone to think how I think, to feel how I feel.

The point I want to come to is that I deeply loved every album made by Mike Oldfield. No one is crap, no one is rubbish, no one is bad. On the contrary, every one is great, inspired, good.

But, reading here and on some other places, I realized soon after joining the internet community that not everybody was like me. That even on some fan sites, some "fans" were actually calling some albums crap, rubbish or bad. I know that taste can't be discussed, and respect everybody; but it was like a shock: how could someone in the fan base see some of his albums like that. I've been so passionate about each album that I could not understand how can somebody seriously consider some albums that bad.

I my little world, I imagined that everybody understood his music like I did and that every fan loved every album. So after this reality check, I understood that an artist, whoever he may be, can really be comprehended only by a few minority. Most only enjoy some works, and seems to miss some of the true essence of the artist.

I'm glad that I had the chance to fully enjoy an artist's creativity and sensibility from the beginning to the end. I think it's not a chance that everybody have.

Maybe this happened to some real fans of Celine Dion, but I will never know.

To finish, I would really like to hear other fans here that are in the same situation. I know I'm not the only one to really enjoy everything composed by Mike Oldfield, so I want to hear true fans and their story, if they want to share.
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Posted: Feb. 01 2010, 23:33

Well said, Drealm.  Often wondered the same thing myself.
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Posted: Feb. 02 2010, 02:43

Hi Drealm, well said. This site is unique, we all share a love of Mike's music but debate about albums esp from mucisians livens the forums no end. A few of us become a bit passionate about various albums at times (new remasters). At the end of the day though WE LOVE HIS MUSIC AND That is the most important thing, even if we don't agree on everything.
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Posted: Feb. 02 2010, 04:51

:D En regardant ton profil , je sais maintenant pourquoi tu parles de Celine Dion ! ...tu aurais pû parler plutôt de Shania ou Bryan ou Boards of Canada qui sont , à mon avis , plus proche de la musique de Mike et cela même s'ils ne sont pas Francophones !

Well , man ! You can add me to your little world , i'm one of it , for sure !
I can see in you the dreamer that i am !

I have to admit there are some albums i don't really like but there's  always one track in these albums i really love !

No , no , man ! be sure ! i love his music , but i think every fans here have their own way to love his work !

Mine is to dream about and to think about a new order in the world with happiness for everyone , no misery , no disasters , no wars , no money which each time corrupts people , no language frontiers etc etc .

You know , am not a guitarist but everytime i take my guit , it's always to try to catch his playing his sound , i need to do this because this is my medication , the way i've found to be elsewhere !

I don't take drugs !!! No i listen to the music of Mr Mike Oldfield and if i'm the only one around me to listen to his music , that's ok for me !! I don't like to follow fashions , they are always so ridiculous and so short ! Mike is here in the middle of his fans since the Seventies and many thanks to God for that !!!
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Posted: Feb. 02 2010, 05:51

The problem is,when you start your carreer with 4 albums that blow you away and you've got to change and follow trends to survive in this greedy music industry, creating more "accessible" music, most people don't understand and start criticizing badly on you...and expect to see you back to the good ol' past glories.

Mike is a very sensible person...maybe this is why he prefers not to be get in contact with his fanbase, since most people don't understand him and his musical choices,but I'm sure even when he's more "accessible", the music has much more to offer than current trends!

Some albums I don't like since I don't feel his personality that makes the whole difference to me,like MB for example. Something that most artists out there don't have anymore...


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Posted: Feb. 02 2010, 05:56

Hi Tubular Tos, I love how Mike's music lets you dream, fills your soul, fills your heart. I want peace in this world, everyone to be equal, no poverty, illness or pain. At least playing guitar (inspired by Mike and other fans on this site) takes me away from the stress of the world. Two hours of playing is my medicine as well. You don't need any stimulants to listen to Mike's music.
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Posted: Feb. 02 2010, 07:08

Quote (ex member 419 @ Feb. 02 2010, 11:56)
Hi Tubular Tos, I love how Mike's music lets you dream, fills your soul, fills your heart. I want peace in this world, everyone to be equal, no poverty, illness or pain. At least playing guitar (inspired by Mike and other fans on this site) takes me away from the stress of the world. Two hours of playing is my medicine as well. You don't need any stimulants to listen to Mike's music.

:) Dear ! I simply agree with you !
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Posted: Feb. 02 2010, 07:37

Quote (Tati The Sentinel @ Feb. 02 2010, 11:51)
Mike is a very sensible person...maybe this is why he prefers not to be get in contact with his fanbase, since most people don't understand him and his musical choices

Sorry I always have understood him and his music , since i've never disputed his choices  as a fan ... i mean if i'm a fan i just can only understand his music .

I would love to debate with him about his choices and his music but always with respecting that he is the author and i don't have to disagree with that ! But let us be reasonable , Mike can't be friend with all his fans , his house is too small ! :D Could you imagine ? the amount of people that it implies for a garden party ? :D In any case we can't debate about his choices because he don't like WHY questions !!! :D

Really ? i couldn't be a producer ! The producer is good to find new talents but he always have to say to the author : No this not good , no no this is too long , please change this sound of guit !!

i guess this is what RB and his producers have done with Mike maybe not all the time but sometimes anyway ,

If they had given to him  the green light or the white card , this is not one Amarok that we could listen today but much more
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Posted: Feb. 02 2010, 07:50

I've been a fan as long as i've been alive(and probably in the womb cos Dad plyed TB to death.I have that knackered copy to porove it!;).Mike's music was the first to speak to me and the first to really fire my imagination.
 I did have a period when i all but stopped listening to him while in my early teens but i remember coming back to it and really getting into it.That's stayed with me since.
 I admit that i don't like everything he's ever done but if he only did music like his earlier work (the stuff i REALLY love)d then we wouldn't have moved beyond 1983 and he's produced a lot of really good stuff since.
To sum up i can listen to Mike's music anytime and it still has the abilty to take me somewhere else.Even of it's the same place everytime i hear it.For example the section after Paddy's tune on Ommadawn pt 2 always without fail takes me to a moonlit wood.It has that pagan mythological feel to it.
That's the mark of a good musician to me (although he has his own theory on that point).


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Posted: Feb. 02 2010, 07:51

Mike has done some stylistic u-turns throughout his career and therefore it's not strange that there are lots of people out there who only like early- mid- or late-era Mike Oldfield music. I'm just as surprised when I hear about fans who like all his albums. That sounds unlikely to me.
Lars T


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Posted: Feb. 02 2010, 09:34

Quote (Drealm @ Feb. 01 2010, 23:27)
That even on some fan sites, some "fans" were actually calling some albums crap, rubbish or bad. I know that taste can't be discussed, and respect everybody; but it was like a shock:

Hi Drealm:  It was a shock to me too.

Luckyly I'd discovered all Mike's work (bar MoTS) beforehand.


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Posted: Feb. 02 2010, 11:30

Quote (Tubular Tos @ Feb. 02 2010, 04:51)
:D En regardant ton profil , je sais maintenant pourquoi tu parles de Celine Dion ! ...tu aurais pû parler plutôt de Shania ou Bryan ou Boards of Canada qui sont , à mon avis , plus proche de la musique de Mike et cela même s'ils ne sont pas Francophones !

...

Mine is to dream about and to think about a new order in the world with happiness for everyone , no misery , no disasters , no wars , no money which each time corrupts people , no language frontiers etc etc.

À propos de Celine Dion...je disais cela dû au fait que pour moi Céline Dion est tout le contraire de Mike: elle ne compose pas, invente pas, c'est juste une chanteuse populaire très stéréotypée et ordinaire dont je n'aime pas la musique.

Je disais cela ironiquement parce pour moi Mike est un vrai artiste et que Céline n'est qu'une chanteuse ordinaire, et donc il me semble impossible que quelqu'un vive quelconque illumination artistique en écoutant sa musique; voilà donc pourquoi je ne saurai jamais si une "vraie fan" de céline a pu vivre ce que j'ai vécu avec Mike!

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About your dreams of a good society (especially no money and corruption), I strongly suggest you take interest in the Zeitgeist Movement. ( http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com ). To explain a huge project short, this is about changing the core of the society, finding the root causes of our current beliefs and thus, problems, and design a future that try to solves most of humanity's problems by making a "resources based economy" instead of a "money based economy"; considering the earth belongs to everybody, not just some elites that get every resources while depraving others. I've been interested for about one years now into this project now and this is the best thing I've seen in my life to help humanity. On the website, you can find .PDF and downloadable free torrents of DVDs that explain in details what this movement is all about. Go on the TAKE ACTION --> TOOL KIT page to find everything I said.

I hope that this will interest you. I'm just spreading the message, as itis the best thing to do now.
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Posted: Feb. 02 2010, 11:45

Quote (Tati The Sentinel @ Feb. 02 2010, 05:51)
but I'm sure even when he's more "accessible", the music has much more to offer than current trends!

Very well said. That's exactly what I like in him, he's not afraid to explore and try things, but always staying himself while doing so. Of course the first time I heard Earth Moving, I could not believe that he was so commercial. Guess what? This album ended up being one I listened the most to! He also showed me that this kind of music can be good when properly composed; he opened up my mind about more commercial music, and he did it the best way it could ever be done in my case.

I remember reading something Mike said, if my memory is good, about Crises (not exactly theses words, but something similar): "one side instrumental, more personal work, and the other side more commercial, so everybody is happy" For me it shows that he tried to be fair, knowing some people enjoy Moonlight Shadow, while some others enjoy instrumentals epic.

In my case, I ended up enjoying both!
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Posted: Feb. 02 2010, 11:57

Quote (larstangmark @ Feb. 02 2010, 07:51)
Mike has done some stylistic u-turns throughout his career and therefore it's not strange that there are lots of people out there who only like early- mid- or late-era Mike Oldfield music. I'm just as surprised when I hear about fans who like all his albums. That sounds unlikely to me.
Lars T

Maybe you're simply just not as open-minded musically as some fans here are. That's a good point: probably liking Mike's music doesn't necessarily means open-ended musical taste.

I guess I may be just an open-minded type that confused music open-mindedness with his favorite composer's multiples styles.
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Posted: Feb. 02 2010, 12:01

Quote (ex member 419 @ Feb. 02 2010, 05:56)
I love how Mike's music lets you dream, fills your soul, fills your heart.

The same for me!
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Posted: Feb. 02 2010, 12:08

Quote (Tubular Tos @ Feb. 02 2010, 07:37)
i guess this is what RB and his producers have done with Mike maybe not all the time but sometimes anyway ,

If they had given to him  the green light or the white card , this is not one Amarok that we could listen today but much more

I sometimes really wonder how the hell he could release Amarok between two of his most commercial works. What did he said to Virgin? How could he explain that it's 1 song of 60 minutes purely instrumental? Why do they accepted?

I don't know if it was, in fact, easy, but I consider it a great tour de force.
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Posted: Feb. 03 2010, 08:02

I don't think Branson had too much choice but i know they said they liked it.The problem was Branson and Virgin wanted to call it TB II (no doubt smelling a vast fortune).Mike refused point blank so Virgin didn't promote it.I have seen ads but i believe they were placed by Mike himself as was the 'treasure hunt'.Hence the album didn't sell beyond The Faithful.Funny how it's became like a cult and that those who have it love it.It also goes to show that a big record company can either make a fortune with absolute crap by advertising it or bury a really good album by not.
 As it is it's one of his best but least known albums.


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Posted: Feb. 03 2010, 09:55

Quote (Drealm @ Feb. 01 2010, 23:27)
I my little world, I imagined that everybody understood his music like I did and that every fan loved every album. So after this reality check, I understood that an artist, whoever he may be, can really be comprehended only by a few minority.

I actualy wonder whether an artist can truly be "comprehended" at all. You can only comprehend an artist according to the music he puts out, and most of the time, the music that gets put out is what the artist himself, or in some cases the record company, decides to put out. So you'll always have a partial view. Besides, due to our human nature, we never manage to have a complete view of anything, therefore that partial view becomes even more partial. And to make matters worse, the artist doesn't even comprehend himself completely (does anyone?), so we're dealing not only with the partial view of the "essence" itself, but with the artist's struggles and doubts which interfere with that "essence".

Anyway, whatever we gather from the artist himself ends up going through the filters of our own interpretations and biases. So, you can't help but get a mish-mash of stuff in your head, and no matter how good that makes you feel, there's absolutely no guarantee that the music is making any kind of direct connection with the artist, or even that you're interpreting exactly what the artist intended.

Does that matter? It depends. To each his own: each one knows the best way for enjoying music, and whatever works best for each one is valid. However, it becomes dangerous when you use your personal listening methods to discredit other people's opinions. So, one person dislikes a certain group of Mike Oldfield's works. Does that make him any less of a fan? I wouldn't say so; if anything, that only shows he is selective and confident of his tastes, and probably shows that he has very good reasons for liking the rest of Mike Oldfield works, not simply because it is Mike. I think you'd have a better case if you said it made him more of a fan, but I don't think you can measure that, not in absolute terms.

To be very, very honest, I don't think there is any merit in liking all of Mike's works. I have the opinion that there is a clear variation in quality in Mike's output through the years (not a constant decline, mind), so if I were to say, liking all of Mike's works is either due to lack of selectivity, or a need to adapt and enjoy anything Mike produces. See, that's why I personally don't see any merit in it, but that only matters to me. I just think it's very unfair for people to come here and imply that I'm not a "real" fan because I have a distinct view. To put it in other terms, it's the True Scotsman Fallacy all over again. Even though I don't take it to heart, it's actually a little bit insulting. If I were to say that anyone who dislikes Heaven's Open and likes Tubular Bells II (you'd find a lot of those here) is not a true fan, people would be pissed off with me, and they'd be damn right.


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Posted: Feb. 03 2010, 11:23

Well said Sir Mustapha :)

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Posted: Feb. 03 2010, 12:02

I have to agree with Sir M.Just because there are certain albums you don't like of Mike's (and i for one am known for my preferences)doesn't make you some sort of traitor to a cause of some sort.That's not what it's about.I would consider myself to be a massive Oldfield fan.I don't like some of his stuff,and like Sir M, there are albums i consider below par for Mike's high standards.
 The point is if you love music and have broad tastes then you know what turns you on musically.If a particular favourite artist does an album that doesn't push the right buttons then you're either going to give it a few listens to see if it grows on you (which i tend to have to do with some of Oldfields stuff)and end up loving it or you're just not going to get into.It can be dissapointing but it happens.No artist can please all of the people all of the time even diehard fans.It's just not possible.Doesn't make me less of a fan to admit that i don't like some of it.If you really genuinely love everything the man's ever put out then you are lucky or need to listen to a lot of other people as well.A balanced diet as it were. :laugh:


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