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Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Dec. 08 2002, 16:27 Hello. As most of you may know, Mike conceived Amarok to be exactly one hour long. Yet no CD copy I ever saw of it is long exactly 60 minutes; this may depend a bit from the CD player you're using, but the vast majority of the Amarok CDs presently available (both original and remastered) have a playing time varying between 60:02 and 60:04. So, as I don't think that there actually is, somewhere out there, a copy of an Amarok CD whose playing time is exactly 60:00, I've had this crazy idea of launching a contest. The contest: Be the first person to prove me (with any documentation that you think may be needed: photos, video clips, texts etc.) that you own an original Amarok CD (privately made CDs don't count...), with a single track, whose total playing time is 60:00. The prize: A rare Oldfield mp3. The winner shall request to me whatever he/she likes (with the exception of tracks from live performances, other than the TB II and III premières) and I'll send it to him/her. I have almost everything by Mike, and I think that what I don't have is not hard for me to get. P.S.: Even if it sounds crazy or foolish, the contest is quite serious. If you're interested in it, either reply to this topic or mail me privately and I'll give you more details. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

maria Group: Members Posts: 928 Joined: July 2002 Posted: Dec. 09 2002, 16:04 what a pity... mine 60.02 checked on both the jukebox and the portable player... nice from u anyway -------------- ...morning and evening i'm flying, i'm dreaming... Back to top

theweightless Group: Members Posts: 604 Joined: April 2001 Posted: Dec. 09 2002, 17:40 i don't have even close..60:04   good luck for finding that -------------- ASMK Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Dec. 09 2002, 18:01 ...So you think that such a copy really exists, eh? Well, as I already said, I don't really think so. But anyway, I'm keeping the contest valid, and I wish the best of luck [and a good hunt...:)] to all of you. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

raven4x4x Group: Members Posts: 1535 Joined: Jan. 2002 Posted: Dec. 10 2002, 04:30 I'm sure it's the CD player that adds the few seconds onto the length. Mine is 60:02 if I remember rightly. Well, my CD player is never the most accurate: it says TSODE is 70 minutes long! Good luck trying to find one, but don't try too hard. Even the computer says 60:02. -------------- Thank-you for helping us help you help us all. Back to top

iancampbell79 Group: Members Posts: 83 Joined: April 2002 Posted: Dec. 10 2002, 06:32 Isn't the 60:02 caused by the 2 second pre-burn on most audio tracks?  If you were to take this off then the track is exactly 60 minutes long! Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Dec. 10 2002, 18:15 Ian: there's no pre-burn on Amarok AFAIK. The track starts at 00:00 and ends at 60:02 (with two additional seconds of silence, maybe.) -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

Thea Cochrane Group: Musicians Posts: 445 Joined: Nov. 1999 Posted: Dec. 11 2002, 12:54 I thought that for CDs to meet the red book standard they had to have two seconds in the lead-in area of the CD. I'm not entirely sure why this is, but I know that some old and cheap CD players mute the output between tracks so that you don't hear the amount of digital noise they make - a gap at the start and end of tracks (and especially CDs) means you don't miss the first beat or whatever is at the beginning of the song. You can check this yourself if you have ever extracted audio data from a CD (purely with the intention of examaining it, of course); if you look at it in a wave editor you can usually see at least one second of silence at the start of the track. I haven't done this for Amarok to check as I don't have access to the CD right now, but I'd be interested to see if it was there. Back to top

Sir Mustapha Unregistered Posted: April 28 2003, 10:16 It clearly seems to me that Amarok is 60:02, yet some CD players show 60:04 because of the 2 silent seconds in the lead in area of the CD, yes. When I'm playing the CD on my radio, the counting goes up to 60:02, and as soon as the track finishes, it jumps from 60:02 right into 60:04 (the length of the entire CD, not the track itself). I think this is it. Back to top

Korgscrew Group: Super Admins Posts: 3511 Joined: Dec. 1999 Posted: April 28 2003, 14:21 As far as I know, there are a few seconds of silence at the end. After the music comes to a climax and finishes, there's a little bit of chatter and/or similar noises, then a small amount of silence - this is I believe what's forming those extra two seconds. Back to top

Music, the ancient language... Group: Musicians Posts: 407 Joined: Jan. 2003 Posted: April 28 2003, 18:23 Ugo, this seems more like a contest to be the best cheater or having the crappiest cd-player.  Nice way to protect the rarity of your mp3's though   -------------- Read everything I write at own risk. I cannot be held responsible  for depressions and/or suicide attempts of any kind, caused by reading my posts. Back to top

raven4x4x Group: Members Posts: 1535 Joined: Jan. 2002 Posted: June 13 2003, 23:37 I just listened to Amarok recently, and I closely observed what happened at the beginning and end. The music certainly starts right at the beginning of the album, at 00:00. At the end of the album, the climax finishes at 60:00, then two seconds of silence, taking the timer to 60:02. Then the album ends, and the timer reads 60:04. The CD player seems to add those two seconds on out of nowhere, it just skips from 60:02 to 60:04. Interesting -------------- Thank-you for helping us help you help us all. Back to top

MusicallyInspired Group: Musicians Posts: 1445 Joined: June 2001 Posted: June 13 2003, 23:59 There is always a 2-second pause before playing the beginning track on any CD. My burner won't even let me burn a CD unless at least the first track has a 2-second pause. That's probably where it comes from. -------------- BrandonBlume.com "The beauty in life is in the embracing of the variety of things. If all the world was blue there would be no colour blue." Back to top

sEIGu Group: Members Posts: 59 Joined: Feb. 2001 Posted: Aug. 19 2003, 19:32 the two seconds are from the red-book- (or was it the yellow one?) restrictions... amarok IS 60:00. so you wont find any 60:00 due to the technicals specifications of an "normal" audio compact disc... -------------- sEIGu Back to top

Sir Mustapha Group: Musicians Posts: 2802 Joined: April 2003 Posted: Aug. 20 2003, 08:33 When I hear Amarok, the very final beat happens at ~59:58, and then there are some little noises and chatter taking it to 60:00, and then it seems there is around one second and a half of almost absolute silence. In my opinion, the track to 60:02, but the music per se reaches one hour with no promlem. The 60:04 issue is, as everyone has said, due to the mandatory 2 second lead-in to a CD, which is a red book rule. As Musically Inspired said, CD burners don't allow to burn an Audio CD without a 2 second silence at the first track. I tried it myself. -------------- Check out http://ferniecanto.com.br for all my music, including my latest albums: Don't Stay in the City, Making Amends and Builders of Worlds. Also check my Bandcamp page: http://ferniecanto.bandcamp.com Back to top

Spinne Group: Members Posts: 397 Joined: May 2003 Posted: Aug. 22 2003, 17:40 Using Nero and Cool Edit I have obtained some figures I think you might find interesting and clarifying. Pregap: 2 seconds Total running time: Some players display 60min & 2 seconds and others 60 min & 4 seconds (I suppose that some add the pregap to the total). Audio track length: 60 min, 2 s & 70 frames (remenber, 1s=75 frames so this length is nearer to 60:03 that to 60:02). Silence at the start of the audio track: There is 1 blank second before the music starts. Silence at the end of the audio track: There is around 70 blank frames at the end. Total silence: 1 s & 70 frames so the total of music is 60:02:70 - 00:01:70 = 60:01:00 (sorry for the maths   ) Conclusion: When Mike said that Amarok will last 60 min he probably meant "as close as possible" and not that it will last exactly 60:00:00   Well, have I won this rare mp3?     Back to top

BOOsTER Group: Musicians Posts: 1024 Joined: Jan. 2003 Posted: Aug. 22 2003, 18:04 I think that everyone who has 60.02 version should win. since the 2 seconds more is caused by burning it... every first track gotta have 2 seconds silence in beginning so that's my opinion on this -------------- http://www.djbooster.net Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Aug. 23 2003, 07:46 Okay, people. All of you out there with 60:02 won. Please request me your fav mp3s. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

pentium75 Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Feb. 19 2007, 13:58 I think that the 2s pre-gap caused some confusion here. Though every Audio CD has this 2s pre-gap, it is BEFORE track 1, it's not part of it. IMHO, every Amarok CD has a 2s pre-gap AND a 60:02 lasting track 1. It just depends on the CD player if he counts the pre-gap into disc runtime, so some will show 60:02 and some show 60:04 for the disc runtime, but all players display 60:02 for track 1 runtime. So, Amarok definitely lasts 60:02, not 60:00 ........ Back to top

Ray Group: Members Posts: 857 Joined: Jan. 2000 Posted: Feb. 23 2007, 09:59 Quote (pentium75 @ Feb. 19 2007, 18:58) I think that the 2s pre-gap caused some confusion here. Though every Audio CD has this 2s pre-gap, it is BEFORE track 1, it's not part of it. IMHO, every Amarok CD has a 2s pre-gap AND a 60:02 lasting track 1. It just depends on the CD player if he counts the pre-gap into disc runtime, so some will show 60:02 and some show 60:04 for the disc runtime, but all players display 60:02 for track 1 runtime. So, Amarok definitely lasts 60:02, not 60:00 ........ I doubt that Mike will answer this type of question in his book.......if he did it would be 5000 pages long  er... sorry 5000:02 pages long.     Ray -------------- Looking out over the harbour in Peel....... Back to top

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