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Posted: July 22 2009, 15:16

whenever they make a new album / concert, just because they have done something amazing in the past?

This could refer to Mike Oldfield or other musicians.

Do you feel that you should buy the latest record because of earlier greatness which maybe have had a great impact on you,
even though the new album stinks??

Or do you have such variety in taste and a "calm" approach to music, that you just shrug your shoulders, don't buy the album and just wait for the next release, while listening to other musicians?
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Posted: July 22 2009, 18:55

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Or do you have such variety in taste and a "calm" approach to music, that you just shrug your shoulders, don't buy the album and just wait for the next release, while listening to other musicians?

This is me. :) But with M.O. it's not always like that. :D

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Posted: July 22 2009, 21:46

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Or do you have such variety in taste and a "calm" approach to music, that you just shrug your shoulders, don't buy the album and just wait for the next release, while listening to other musicians?

I'm currently on this phase now...and I'm enjoying a lot.

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Posted: July 23 2009, 08:49

To a point i would say yes where MO is concerned.It's got a bit more to do with being a completist as much as anything.I've never owned a copy of Earth Moving for example as i've heard it and wasn't at all impressed but i have L&S and bought it the day it came out i think and never listen to it.I will buy Earth Moving when the re-issue comes out i'd imagine.It's getting rarer that Mike even brings out something new now and even then the results are mixed.MOTS gives me hope though in a way that L&S really didn't. :laugh:

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Posted: July 23 2009, 08:58

I wouldn't say I was "obligated to support" but possibly "obligated to buy" - for selfish reasons. I have had such good experiences from many of his previous works that I do feel I want to get hold of new materials in case they contain anything new that I will find wonderful and worth buying the record for - and usually they do!

For me this does happen to a lesser extent with some other artists as well. For instance if Jon&Vangelis made a new album I would buy it without feeling I need to listen to any of it first or read any reviews!


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Posted: July 23 2009, 10:33

I would always want to buy a new Mike Oldfield CD - because in my estimation they are good quality. There's only been a few pop songs that I haven't liked. Saying that, I wouldn't want to buy anything right now until Mercury came clean and ackowledged the balls up they've made, and sincere wish to put things right.

I think most artists and bands peak with one or two good albums, then that's it, but not the case with MO. I used to be a devote fan of U2, and their first albums were brilliant. They peaked with "Unforgettable Fire" and "Joshua Tree", but then they seemed to gradually decline after that, so I stopped buying their stuff.


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Posted: July 23 2009, 13:28

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I will buy Earth Moving when the re-issue comes out i'd imagine.It's getting rarer that Mike even brings out something new now and even then the results are mixed.MOTS gives me hope though in a way that L&S really didn't. :laugh:

I promise you this...
I WILL BUY Earth Moving and send it FREE to YOU right away, if you on the other hand promise to destroy Light & Shade album right away.

Ps. I'm serious    :cool:



My mission here in life - should I choose to accept it - is to make sure that album is removed from the face of the Earth.  :/

Show me a picture of the destroyed cds, then write a pm where to send it...    :)
I dare you!
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Posted: July 23 2009, 15:11

Prisoner - this is for you. Give it another shot - see if it doesn't melt you first: -
ROCKY
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FIRST STEPS

:)  

I dare you.


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Posted: July 23 2009, 19:07

Thanks a lot, wiga. I was feelin' a bit lazy to get up from my chair & pick up the L+S CD. :D

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Posted: July 24 2009, 02:25

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Prisoner - this is for you. Give it another shot - see if it doesn't melt you first: -
ROCKY
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FIRST STEPS

:)  

I dare you.

I guess it's a double dare  :D

well....I have one small confession.
I kind of like first steps but ONLY after I had cut about ½ away so it's down to 4.34 minutes,
but please please please, don't let anyone know that I actually like 5 minutes of altered music from the double album light & shade, it will ruin my mojo   :laugh:
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Posted: July 24 2009, 06:22

If it's an artist I like , I try and get everything by them, of course finances is an issue. That's my main reason for not getting the Tubular Bells Box,.  I know I have this debate with my boyfriend about Queen+ Paul Rodgers, and use of the Queen name. He thinks they should be called Rodgers, May and Taylor , I thinm May,Taylor and Rodgers. I know it's Queen but it isn't Queen without Freddie Mercury, and John Deacon seems to have retired. Ok so it's 50% of Queen with PR.  I think it sounds like Queen meets Free.  Take for example The Rolling Stones, many people think they lost it in the 80's,, but if so thy were filling stadiums  but I think their 90's albums and 2005's  album "A Bigger Bang" proves they can still rock. Iron Maiden is another band I but every album for completeness, and I don't think they've mads a truly bad one so far.

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Posted: July 24 2009, 07:22

Quote (Matt @ July 23 2009, 08:58)
I wouldn't say I was "obligated to support" but possibly "obligated to buy" - for selfish reasons. I have had such good experiences from many of his previous works that I do feel I want to get hold of new materials in case they contain anything new that I will find wonderful and worth buying the record for - and usually they do!

For me this does happen to a lesser extent with some other artists as well. For instance if Jon&Vangelis made a new album I would buy it without feeling I need to listen to any of it first or read any reviews!

I agree with Matt on this topic.

I remember back in the day when it was a monumental occasion to see a new Oldfield/Tangerine Dream/Kraftwerk/Jarre, etc album released, and how ecstatic I was to rush home and listen to it. Over the many,many years, I have been disappointed with very few, and some of these ended up becoming my favorites after I understood them better, (ie, Hergest Ridge).

When I consider how these artists' music have touched and positively impacted my life, I do feel obligated to buy their new releases, and considering all the free downloads and file sharing that the artist's receive no money for, I'm happy to invest a few dollars here and there.
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Posted: July 24 2009, 07:26

If  I really like an artist, I buy the new work, but not out of a sense of obligation. I buy it because I seldom can/will listen to an entire work ahead of time, so I wouldn't know if I liked it or not until completely/properly listening.  If I buy something that I cannot connect to but have liked other works by the artist in the past, I  give it another go. If to my ears the stuff keeps getting worse and worse, I walk away. I could have walked away from MO after EM but hoped for the best the next time. EM just wasn't/isn't why I listen to Mike.  He wouldn't have lost me on L+S because there is stuff on there that I actually like and it is fun. And because I played it a fair amount when it was new, it is tangled in with some nice memories of that time, so playing it every now and then conjures up those, as well.

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Posted: July 24 2009, 07:51

I think supporting or buying out of "obligation" is a pretty crappy sentiment, mostly because I can't cope with the idea that an artist's "status" should speak louder than his fan's opinions. But still, that's not nearly as crappy as the "I supported you for all these years and THIS is what I get in return??" sentiment of a so called "fan" when his favourite artist puts out a release he perceives as below par. Yep, I've SEEN that.

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Posted: July 24 2009, 08:10

Sorry Prisoner but i'll have to decline your offer.L&S doesn't piss me off in the way it does you.It just takes up a wee bit of space in my cd unit being unoffensive and unplayed.If i don't really like an album i just don't play it.Simples. :laugh:

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Posted: July 24 2009, 09:53

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I think supporting or buying out of "obligation" is a pretty crappy sentiment,

On a deeper level ;)  yes, the act of doing something out of 'obligation' as opposed to inspiration has long fascinated me. I would go so far as to say that if our sense of obligation becomes a dominant motivation in life, then it will jar the body's natural flow, to the extent we can get ill. True. That's my theory anyway.

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Posted: July 25 2009, 19:24

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If  I really like an artist, I buy the new work, but not out of a sense of obligation. I buy it because I seldom can/will listen to an entire work ahead of time, so I wouldn't know if I liked it or not until completely/properly listening.  If I buy something that I cannot connect to but have liked other works by the artist in the past, I  give it another go. If to my ears the stuff keeps getting worse and worse, I walk away. I could have walked away from MO after EM but hoped for the best the next time. EM just wasn't/isn't why I listen to Mike.  He wouldn't have lost me on L+S because there is stuff on there that I actually like and it is fun. And because I played it a fair amount when it was new, it is tangled in with some nice memories of that time, so playing it every now and then conjures up those, as well.

I think listening to a work ahead of time, somewhat spoils the anticipation.   I am sometimes tempted, I maybe listen to an odd track, but to hear the whole album spoils it. The last artist i did hear ahead of time was the new release from Eminem, Iron Maiden had an album out the same day, and so did Queen and Paul Rodgers, or was that the week before.  I haven't bought any of those albums, but only due to lack of funds :( .   OK boot me off the board as I like Eminem, I'm not into Rap on the whole, but I do like Eminem, I know the lyris to "Stan" has brought a tear to my eye.  I know if it's an artist/group i really like I prefer to own the bought copy, not that I've worked out how to download music. I've paid for an odd track here or there, if it's a track i like, or if it's download only.  

Inkanta I have to agree with you on L&S, I'm not into dance type music in a big way, but I immediately identified with "First Steps" , yes i do agree L&S is  fun  :) I must admit I haven't played it for a while, maybe it's about time I gave it a spin, and yes there's some good memories, I know I worked bloody hard to get that album, I had to loose so many lbs before I would allow myself to buy it, and I bought it the day it came out     :O .
Just thinking maybe it's time to put L&S to use whilst i excersise. Oh yes recently got back into the fitness thing, yes I've been giving myself a good beasting (army terminology for physical training), and my fella is an ex soldier.
Yes there's some albums that get worse and worse, Guns N Roses "Appetite For Destruction" was one of them, I loved it when i was 18/19, but heard it in '97 and I'd gone off it. One album i liked,then the casette was lost in a move,  I ended up rediscovering was Bowie's "Ziggy Stardust", yes I have to admit I like Ziggy more now than I did when i first owned it.
I think L&S and Ziggy ould be on the playlist  later      :cool: .

Oh yes my musical tastes are quite diverse, the only music i cannot stand is Country and Western, I only like it when the Rolling Stones parody it as in "Country Honk" form "Let It Bleed " album.  Speaking of musi, watching some of the BBC Prom tonight and had Gustav Holsts "The Planet Suite" on, I haven't heard it in it's entirity for 30 years or so, I loved Mars, and Jupiter, so much of it was familiar, it's like an old  long lost friend, i must go out and buy it.


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Posted: July 26 2009, 09:41

I walked away from Genesis. Although there were a couple of things I liked on Abacab, it was the last straw.  When I was gifted with Invisible Touch I despised the song so much that I took the CD to a used record shop, not even wanting it in my house! I traded it for an IQ vinyl, The Wake. I didn't realise until a couple years ago while surfing the net, that they were still around. I've been playing major catch up!

Hmmm....maybe I will play L+S and T3L while running this morning. It is nearly too warm to run, and I find that they help keep me relaxed and lower my heart rate a bit while running in heat.


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Posted: July 26 2009, 10:38

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Hmmm....maybe I will play L+S and T3L while running this morning. It is nearly too warm to run, and I find that they help keep me relaxed and lower my heart rate a bit while running in heat.

Be very very careful with L&S.
Accordance with my sources the album will not only lower your heart rate
but actually cause a heart attack   :D
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Posted: July 26 2009, 11:09

Hahahaha!  I am still not out the door and now it's even warmer. I am not so worried about L+S causing a heart attack, but now I've waited so long that there may be snakes on the trail, sunning themselves. That doesn't happen at 6 or 7AM. Oh well....will face my fear and try to stay alive.  :/  Forget "Serpent Dream" --"Serpent Nightmare."  Snakes on the Plane. Snakes on the Trail. <creeps herself out>

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