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Posted: Nov. 28 2002, 12:38

Got a Mike oldfield DVD for my birthday.

Put it on the DVD player and what did I get two thirds of a screen only (widescreen TV). Big black bits top and bottom, Why?

Because the aspect ratio is automaticaly modified and locked on to the TV so that you can see all four corners, causing the screen to look like a postbox. This is called anamorphic widescreen DVD.

When you try to change the 'user aspect ratio' on the TV, it refuses to open up, unless you use 'zoom 2' on your DVD player, which distorts everything.

Yet I have other DVDs like the film 'Ice Age' that came out as full screen,not widescreen, Perfect!

Another bad example is the film 'lord of the rings' it comes in Anamorphic widescreen DVD only, not full screen. I ended up having to buy the VIDEO to get full screen.

So why does the DVD industry not tell you that if you buy an amorphic widescreen DVD for a widescreen TV you end up with a picture that looks like your looking through a periscope? and you can do nothing with it?

I have asked salesmen if you can buy a more expensive DVD player or widescreen TV that can overide this problem by manually ajusting the DVD aspect ratio, no can do!

Any of you guys solved this, as its bugging me?

Got it out my system,modern technology, bah, humbug!
Better sticking to the old technology Video and a full size
(3 by 4 aspect ratio) Television.

MO fan :(
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Posted: Nov. 29 2002, 21:48

I've never had that problem with any DVDs, including the ones you mentioned. I think that we had that really early on, with the Widescreen DVD's on our square TV. Have you tried fiddling with the video settings? Our DVD player seems to be able to do that, much the same way as with the sound settings (surround, stereo etc.) Other than that I wouldn't know. What type of DVD player do you have?

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Posted: Nov. 30 2002, 06:39

Which Oldfield DVD did you get? I have both of them and none of them is in anamorphic widescreen. Both is in 4:3 fullscreen and I get the film up on the whole TV. No black borders up or down. So I do not understand why you have this problem.

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Posted: Dec. 02 2002, 08:02

For me, it's worse when the image is cut down to fit TVs. The UK edition of The Killing Fields, for example - cut down to 4:3, so part of the image is lost. I'd much rather see the film as the makers intended, rather than have it fill the screen (whatever ratio it may be).

As for the Mike Oldfield DVD, I can only echo what Thomas has already said, that they're all 4:3 as far as I know and that it shouldn't be displaying in an anamorphic format (I'd expect borders at the sides of a widescreen TV, of course, but not at the top and bottom of any TV).
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Posted: Dec. 07 2002, 16:25

'As for the Mike Oldfield DVD, I can only echo what Thomas has already said, that they're all 4:3 as far as I know and that it shouldn't be displaying in an anamorphic format'......

OK, so I picked up a bootleg DVD copy from a friend who was on holiday in the far east which gives anamorphic format, but I still have this problem on my DVD player with any other anamorphic format DVD disk.

Noteably 'lord of the rings' is a very good example with massive borders top and bottom.

I checked with my DVD manufacturer 'Oritron' who said that I cannot ajust using the manual aspect ratio functions on the player or TV as they are overriden by the anamorphic DVD disk, which does not allow the corners to go off the screen.

So unless one of you guys can come up with a better make of DVD player that has overiding MANUAL controls of the aspect ratio irrespective of Widesreen, postbox, anamorphic format, then l am stuck looking at two thirds of a screen, if I am lucky.

Cheers MO fan :D
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Posted: Jan. 11 2003, 18:21

Got an answer from a DVD expert on another forum, why anamorphic DVD's do not fill your Widescreen TV.

Right. Some of this explanation may seem a little technical, but i hope you can understand the general jist of it!
I used 'Ice age' and 'Lord of the rings' DVD as examples...

Answer..

It's like this; a commercial cinema screen is roughly around 21;9 in ratio speak. Some differ, but this is more or less the screen's dimension. Now, when a 2;35;1 aspect 'cinemascope' ratio is shown, it
fits exactly into the entire dimensions of the screen, with no borders -
as you may have noticed when you go to the cinema.

When widescreen tv's were produced they had to come up with a compromise ratio that would benefit both widescreen broadcasts and traditional 4;3 content, hence 16;9 - imagine a 21;9 screen displaying a 4;3 image.The black bars either side of the screen would be as big as the main image!

The other ratio, 1;85;1 or 'open matte' fits the entire screen of your tv, but has usually been tinkered with as the ratio of a wide set is 1;77;1, so a little information may be lost - hence the re-formating of the DVD picture in the conversion process. Notice that in the cinema, they use masking 'curtains', huge black motorised panels that are either at the sides - or in smaller screen cases, above and below the
screen, and retract accordingly so a 1;85;1 movie shows without huge chasm's of blank screen showing!

On DVD the 2;35;1 picture has to be 'zoomed' away so you can see the entire width of the image as the director intended the movie to look, which results in the black bars - which are perfectly normal by the way.

There is NOTHING you can do to change this, and by buying the VHS video copy of Lord of the Rings you are actually MISSING parts of the image, although it fills the TV screen,
and doubtless you are seeing very poor quality images if you are zooming the picture by using the tv's different aspect modes. The reason Ice Age fits the screen is because it was made in the 1;85;1 ratio, hence it fills the screen on your tv. You seem to be getting confused with 'fullscreen' and 'widescreen'. Ice Age IS widescreen, as is LOTR.
Fullscreen from DVD on your tv would display in 4;3 and have black bars down the side of the image - no amount of changing the picture controls will make it widescreen, you're just expanding it to fill the screen.

You WILL get used to it, i guarantee it, i love the look of 2;35;1 cinemascope movies - the scale of the images are superb, 1;85;1 movies are shot thus as the director does not call for many shots with lots of information in the width of the image, and is a fave among animation
producers too, (barring Disneys Atlantis and A Bugs Life and Warners The Iron Giant)).

Just make sure in your dvd players 'set up' menu that the tv out is set to 16;9 Wide, and the tv itself is set to the relevant anamorphic function, (usually wide or auto). and you should get a decent picture, though it will not fill the entire screen.

Well I hope you are all the wizer.

Cheers MO fan :D
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Posted: Jan. 12 2003, 05:23

Yeh! Its a complicated answer, but the conclusion by the expert is that you better just get used to living will the fact that some DVD films on your TV will only partially fill your screen. :p

Cheers MO fan :laugh:
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Posted: Jan. 13 2003, 22:07

I dont have any problems with my DVD's. I was thinkering on buying a top notch widescreen tv during the summer purely for watching my DVD's but i was detered from doing so by a friend who told me to get a projector. While it was about the same cost as a Wide screen TV the quality of the picture has to be seen to be believed. This is really only due to the digital quality of the DVD's themselves. I use a light painted wall to watch my movies with the surrond sound positioned for it and it IS like been at the pictures. I havent tried it at its Max width which the manual says is 8 meters. My walls just aint wide enough. I'm debating weather to have a mini drive in movie on my house wall during the summer (ala Cinema Paradiso) LOL
So my advice is get a good projector.


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Posted: Jan. 14 2003, 17:27

That projector system seems ideal, but are you not limited to a darkened room? no windows?

What about costs now for a decent system :O

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Posted: Jan. 25 2003, 20:01

Not really a problem in the winter, as it is always glummy. Havnt had it long enough to see about the summer, but as i watch most of my dvds at tnight i would have to say no. In daylight you can see the picture without the curtains closed, but it is a bit bright.

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