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Posted: Jan. 30 2005, 20:05

I'm thinking of getting an electro acoustic. I've narrowed it down to either an Ovation or a Taylor - and I'm going to audition some of each next week. Given that I'm logged into this particular site, you will already have a good idea of the sort of style and sounds that I like. However, half an hour in a showroom isn't the same as having one and I wondered if anyone out there could give me their opinions after having had one for a bit. Model wise, I'm leaning towards the Taylor 414CE or Ovation Adamas (not sure which one of that range). Fundamentally they are very different, with the Adamas being carbon fibre rather than wood. Taylor's electronics read well on the page and their products seem to have the edge as an all round instrument. But I do quite like the Ovation sound.

Any help would be useful.
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Posted: Jan. 31 2005, 03:07

Hmmm... a hard choice. They are both very different guitars, any chance you can get both? :D

I dont know much about the electrics in the Taylor guitars, but dont they have a pezio and a microphone so you can blend the sounds together to get a much more 'acoustic' guitar sound, which could obviously be preferable to the slightly brittle pezio sound you get from some guitars. Then again, if your after that sound (i quite like it - im thinking of some of the little runs in the background of crises) then an ovation would be good. If you do get an ovation, dont get an Applause series one, they are cheap, but dont represent great value for money.
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Posted: Jan. 31 2005, 03:45

Unfortunately both would be about £4000 and that's a bit too much. I think I'll end up with the Taylor, mainly because I think it's a superior instrument, but also because of the add on K4 eq box (which I'll have to save my pennies for). This seems to give you the flexibility to reshape its sound when its plugged in. As you say its a tough call and I keep oscillating between the 2.
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Posted: Feb. 01 2005, 13:45

Ovations...I think you can get those cheaper at tupperware parties, can't you? At least, I'm sure I've seen similar things on sale...
Sorry, cheap joke :D

I'd have to agree that Ovations have their own, quite distinct sound, which perhaps isn't the one to go for if you want an all round acoustic guitar. They're designed on the premise that the back should reflect the sound as efficiently as possible, hence the parabolic shape. It works exactly as intended, but it's very different to a conventional acoustic guitar, where the interaction between the top and back is more like that between the heads of a drum (if you've ever tuned drums, you'll realise the importance of the interaction between the two surfaces, as it can have a very profound effect on the resulting sound). People describe their sound as plasticky, but I think I'd call it metallic, as it sounds to me like the almost unadulterated sound of the strings being reflected straight out of the soundholes.

My personal suggestion would be something like a Fylde. I also played an instrument by Tom Waghorn not too long ago which was fantastic sounding. One of his instruments would be cheaper than a Taylor (possibly quite considerably), as it would come without the associated import costs. There's also Andy Manson, of course, if you're after something a bit special, though his name commands a higher price (but still...who else could build you a guitar like this?).
Paul Hathway is definitely deserving of your custom, though he's probably best known for instruments other than guitars. He's a nice man, and I'd definitely recommend paying him a visit in London, if you're interested in anything he makes. His prices are extremely reasonable, and the instruments are very good sounding.
The list could go on, actually...

The best undersaddle pickup I've come across is that by Headway - most of the builders above should be able to fit one. They have a far more natural sound than anything else I've come across. One could of course be used as part of a blend system with a microphone.

Takamine's 'cool tube' preamp system actually manages to extract a reasonable sound out of their piezo pickups (which are normally the classic harsh piezo sound), but you could of course use an external valve preamp to similar effect.

Still, none of them are Taylors or Ovations, and if one of those is what you want, they're not bad instruments by any means. I think I'd probably go with the Taylor, were I faced with that particular decision (though a good thing with Ovations is that they're absolutely bomb proof, thanks to their construction - good for stage use).
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Posted: Feb. 01 2005, 14:46

Just checked out the Mermaids on the link. Now that is something special, but would probably look a bit out of place at a jam at the local pub.

I think I may be over the Ovation. I've found a dealer who seem to have a special on with the Adamas, but I'm not convinced that it is a good choice if I have to pick one guitar only. Will look into the options that you suggest. The Taylor Expression system has won design awards and they are pushing the Rupert Neve connection heavily. That's no guarrantee that it sounds right, but I guess someone somewhere thinks it does. But the proof of the pudding etc. I'll just have to try some out and see where it goes
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