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Posted: Nov. 28 2005, 07:02

Ive had my ergodyne (seen in my avatar) for a good 6 moths now and i love it (esp the divebombs!;) but I only got around to playing a gig recently with it and my whammy bar just kept falling out, i ended up picking it up and keeping it in my teeth! if there is anyone there that can give me advice on keeping it in, it would be much much appreciated.

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Posted: Nov. 28 2005, 15:31

I'm assuming that it's a push in kind of bar (is it a Lo Pro Edge trem we're talking about here?). I'll have to admit that I'm not very familiar with those, so you might have to help me a bit here in finding a solution (you can probably be thankful that I'm nowhere near your guitar right now, as I'd have found the problem for you...by taking the whole thing to bits - not for the faint hearted). My only real experience is with those with a locking collar.

I'd suggest the first place to look would be the bar itself. I know some of the Ibanez bars have nylon washers on them which are what grips the bar in place - it could be that for one reason or another, those aren't gripping properly.

The other thing I'd look for is some kind of adjustment. I have a feeling that the Ibanez bars are held in by a spring and there's an adjustment for that somewhere. If there is, it's likely to be something on the underside of the bridge, which you ought to be able to access by taking off the back plate.

You could of course take the lo-tech option and wrap a bit of tape around the bar. It may just get pushed upwards when you insert the bar, and it may also end up leading to something undesirable (can't think what right now, but I bet it'll come to me later), but it might also work very well. My solution would be to look for means of adjustment somewhere on the bridge first.

If this advice doesn't help, I should be able to give you a few more ideas if you can tell me a bit more about the bridge. Maybe someone else will come along and give a more specific answer, though...
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Posted: Nov. 28 2005, 16:08

Aha! i knew youd come to the rescue! yes its an edge pro ii, after reading that last post im going to take a look now under the bridge to look for any adjustments, ill post back when i know... but i already tried the tape idea befor i logged in tonight and it worked quite well, but i dont really like the idea of having the tape in ther and maybe getting stuck... hmm.. ill check back in a couple of mins lol

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Posted: Nov. 28 2005, 16:22

and hes back!, yes, ive taken her back off and there is n allen key operated knob behingd the whammy, but afetr further investigation it only raises or lowers how deep the bar goes into the bridge, i might have to redo the tape idea :-(

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Posted: Nov. 28 2005, 19:50

I'm actually looking at a picture of one now. I would think that the adjustment you're looking for is this little allen screw on the back. Getting to that should be fun (and really, a bit of extra thought and they could have had a tension adjustment which could have been done from below, or even on top...maybe I ought to go and work for Ibanez...) - it looks like you'll have to take the whole unit out (your mission, should you choose to accept...).
To do that, you'll need to take the springs out from the tremolo block. That's not too difficult, but bear in mind that putting them back in can be more tricky (though it just takes a little practise really). I've always loosened off the tension of the strings when doing this, but I've seen instructions suggesting not to do that. I would have thought that not loosening the strings would just lead to the bridge lurching wildly forwards (it would also make it a pain to get the springs back in), but if people can do it that way without being whacked in the face by it as it flies out, then all power to them...
Once the springs are off, the bridge should just pull straight out - the only things that hold it in place are the springs and the tension of the strings (perhaps that's even enough to hold it in place against the posts once the springs are off...I don't really feel like experimenting...). You can then adjust that little allen screw and put the whole thing back. I'd recommend a pair of needle-nose pliers for that - you can grip them by the bent end and just pull them into place in their holes in the block.

I think that before doing that, I'd be wanting to take a closer look at the whole mechanism that holds the bar in place (by examining the end of the bar for any clues, then shining a light down the hole to see what's there), if I was in your position. Maybe it wouldn't tell me anything more than that I have to pull the whole lot apart so I could fiddle with the tension adjustment screw, but equally, it might reveal something that shows a solution to the problem that doesn't involve taking half the bridge to bits.

I should also say that Floyd Rose bridges and their relatives can be incredibly fussy, and you might find that after taking the bridge out, it takes a while for the whole thing to settle down to normal again.

If it's still under warranty, it might be best to just take it back and let the shop repair/adjust it. That said, I think taking things to bits is always a good learning experience (though sometimes you might find that the lesson is "Don't do that again").
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Posted: Dec. 07 2005, 09:57

Thanks sooo much korgscrew! ie had a look at where ive to tighten up and its in a REAL awkward place, and even though i love modding guitars, ive had bad experiences with taking apart floyd roses in the past, But the shop where i bought it said theyll do it for me for free! great guys! im not going to leave it in now though, ive a gig on sat and im just gona use tape for that night, 'cause the music shop said itll have to be left in for a couple of days! thanks so much though korgscrew your a giant help im glad ive someone to turn to about any tech problems, ive a lot on my shoulders when im with the band, im the only one with the knowhow when it comes to music tech... Thanks so much, and im glad you locked the "why so negative?" thread, it was doing my head in, sorry for coming in so late on it and having the discussion go in circles. thanks LOADS!!!!!! :D  :D  :D  :D

ps i have a feeling your a fender player........... am i right?


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Posted: Dec. 07 2005, 21:57

You're welcome :)

I've played Fenders in the past, but you're more likely to catch me with a JJ guitar in my hands these days. I play a lot of acoustic guitar at the moment though, I feel very at home with them.

I hope all turns out well with the floyd rose. Good luck with the gig - I hope the arm stays in for it :D
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Posted: Mar. 14 2006, 18:48

Just for fun - I was going to suggest that if it was a second hand guitar - it could be a bit of tape stuck in the hole!!!   :)   :D   Ray

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Posted: Mar. 18 2006, 13:16

hah nopes ive fixed it, it was brand new and was seriously irrritating me, but i go tit sorted out ..




its the best guitar ive ever seen.. seriously
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Vocal chords.
Two slightly sampled electric guitars.
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