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Posted: May 19 2004, 06:11

I was a Mike Oldfield fan during the 70s (hey, I'm not THAT old, I was into him from a very young age!;), but I stopped buying his records as the 1980s loomed as I wasn't so keen on what was (then) his new direction.

I like my Mike Oldfield music mainly instrumental, I prefer the epic works, and I love when he incorporates Celtic and other folk music into his compositions.

Not surprisingly then, my favourite album is Ommadawn.

So what do you guys suggest I buy next based on that information?  Is there any epic folkie instrumental tracks by Mike I may have missed out on while I've been away?  I've heard lots of good things about TB III and Amarok.  Do these fit the bill?

Thanks in advance,

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Posted: May 19 2004, 08:17

if you like progressive music with Dance elements and TB Theme contained (ROFL) you would better take TB3...but hey I think Amarok as one of his strongest instrumental will be a better choice for you  ;)

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Posted: May 19 2004, 08:40

Yep, definitely Amarok. It's arguably the only post 80's album that brings the true essence of 70's Mike in a far grander way. The rest of the album definitely go through different paths. TBIII isn't a good suggestion if you're searching for folk, though. If you ask me, I'd personally say TBIII isn't a good suggestion at all.

If you're tolerant about other kinds of music, I think you should try out Crises. Mike toys with synthesizers and rock music, but the results are spectacular. I dunno, maybe you can absorb Mike's new direction with an open mind, I don't think you'd be disappointed. But for now, your best bet is, hands down, Amarok


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Posted: May 19 2004, 09:54

It'd be nice to know what was the last album you heard. If you missed Incantations, then that's definitely the one you need. But since you said 80s I guess you know that one.
QE2 has quite a bit of folk influence in it (Celtic and other, e.g. Greek), but in a sort of less obvious way. And less epic. Definitely worth checking out though. Five Miles Out, too, has some Celtic influences, and even features Paddy Moloney of The Chieftains, who also played the uillean pipes on Ommadawn. The Celtic stuff is more mixed in with a lot of other influences though.
Amarok has a huge amount of folksy stuff on it (and also features Paddy Moloney BTW :)), but it's very different from Ommadawn, even though it was originally conceived as Ommadawn II. You'll have to check it out yourself to see if it's your cup of tea or not, there's no way of telling beforehand.
You might like Mont St. Michel from the Voyager album, or you might, well, not like it. It's 12 minutes something long IIRC, and sounds very much like Hollywood score music to a film like Braveheart or something of the sort. (I think it was even inspired by the soundtrack to some film, the name of which I forget. Barry Lindon or something? Nah, that doesn't look quite right...) Quite folky really, and very nice, but... well, not as interesting as Ommadawn. Still way better than the rest of the Voyager album though, which is supposedly a folk album but to me sounds like a hundred other "Celtic" new age albums...
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Posted: May 19 2004, 10:04

Quote (BOOsTER @ May 19 2004, 08:17)
if you like progressive music with Dance elements and TB Theme contained (ROFL) you would better take TB3...

Actually I don't think I like 'progressive music' at all, certianly not in the ELP/Yes/Genesis vein, though I do like Pink Floyd, and of course, Mike, but then I never really saw Mike as being 'progressive'.  And as for 'dance elements'......<shudder>....I never was much of a dancer.

The reason I mentioned TB III is because everyone seems to rave about the closing section Far Avove the Clouds.  I've seen here that some folks reckon it's an even more exciting finale than the end of Ommadawn pt one.  And that certainly intrigues me.

Looks like Amarok is the one for me to check out though.  Thanks for the input, people!

Jules


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Posted: May 19 2004, 10:08

Quote (Holger @ May 19 2004, 09:54)
It'd be nice to know what was the last album you heard. If you missed Incantations, then that's definitely the one you need. But since you said 80s I guess you know that one.

Incantations I have.....on old vinyl.....somewhere......must dig it out.

Thanks for the other information, Holger, seems like I need to fill in a few missing areas here.  I certainly do like Paddy Moloney's playing, and I'm pretty much a sucker for anything he plays on.

Thanks again, everyone!

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Posted: May 19 2004, 10:52

TBIII isn't any progressive, at least not in the Yes "Prog" way. Not at all. It's just the same kind of music Mike had been doing until that point, with dance beats spicing the first and last tracks. 'Far Above The Clouds', erghh, umm... I must admit I'm biased to say such things, because I hate TBIII, but... well, 'Far Above The Clouds' sure is very loud and pompous and climatic in an "Ommadawn" way, but that's it. It's like a big vent of hot air, no melody, no real purpose. Just a load of bombast. I have no use for it, and the whole album before it doesn't really build any tension towards it Of course, you might like TBIII regardless of what I say, so just take my words as my personal opinion. Others will want to convince you that TBIII is, in fact, great, so draw your own conclusions yourself. :)

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Posted: May 20 2004, 09:21

Quote (Holger @ May 19 2004, 09:54)
Amarok has a huge amount of folksy stuff on it (and also features Paddy Moloney BTW :)), but it's very different from Ommadawn, even though it was originally conceived as Ommadawn II.

I forgot to comment on this bit yesterday.  This is very interesting to read.  Has Mike himself said that this was the case, that Amarok was originally going to be Ommadawn II?

And Sir Mustapha, am I to summise that you don't much care for Tubular Bells III?  Just a wild hunch.  ;-)


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Posted: May 20 2004, 09:50

Yes, Mike himself said it. He has it that he intended to do a sequel of one of his "lesser known" records to avoid making the actual "Tubular Bells II" for Virgin, and that he had plans for "Ommadawn II". However, his project "took a life of his own" and became Amarok.

And nope, I don't care for Tubular Bells III. Really. It's one of my least favourite records in my entire collection. So you'll probably want to hear from someone who actually likes it to avoid being biased. I wouldn't consider solely the opinions of one person only myself. :)


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Posted: June 15 2004, 04:35

hi im new to the forums
my favourite folkie album is Voyager its got the best celtic baced songs in it my favourite is The Hero. i think u should get that!
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Posted: June 15 2004, 04:47

Well, in eighties Mike work a lot with some instrumental tracks like "the lake", and performed some interesting albums, like "Amarok" or "The Killing Fields". In nineties, the most interesting works were "Tubular Bells II", "Tubular Bells III", "The Songs of Distant Earth", "Voyager" and "Guitars". Guitars is a interesting album, performed using only guitars, as the title says, but it is very classic, and in my opinnion, is not Oldfield style. "The Songs of Distant Earth" is a melodic album, ambiented in the space, and that makes its beauty. Voyager is the most celtic album of Mike. TB3 is one, with new instruments, and new performance, but thinked to the new generations of fans. Tubular Bells II is one of the best melodic album, following the original Tubular Bells, but with an added value (is not like comparing Tubular Bells and Tubular Bells 2003), it is a well-thinked album, and divided in tracks (not like Amarok or Tubular Bells).
Well, my personal mind thinks that if you haven't got any of the albums of 80's and 90's, a good election could be "Amarok", but if you like celtic music, select "Voyager". In XXI century, Mike also performed Tr3s Lunas, a good melodic album.
But the best, is buying "Elements", a 4-CD box set with some of the best moments of inspiration of Oldfield, but you'll loose the last 12 years.


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Posted: June 15 2004, 05:25

Thanks for the added advice, guys.  I'm adding Voyager to my shopping list.  Shame about the album cover though - is it available in a plain brown paper bag version?  LOL.

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Posted: June 15 2004, 06:46

it might be really helpful is you told us which ylbums you already have and which you particulary like and which you like less

in case you get AMAROK: the first time I listened to it i thought "uh thats weird" and laid it off for a while. then after some time I listened again and again and it is simply stunning, overwhelming , [add other similar adjectives here] and altough the "musical orgasm" thing us usually used for ommadawn pt 1 finale I find it kindof discribes what ones get from listening to AMAROK thoroughly. I am also a lot into classical music, not even a good classical music concert leaves me in the state of mind that AMAROK does!


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Posted: June 15 2004, 07:16

I love Mikes music for more than 30 years.I have ALL of his works,most I love now "The Millenium Bell"!
I have Amarok,but for ME it is hard to listen.

But we all have an own taste....
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Posted: June 15 2004, 08:15

Quote (ATTMO @ June 15 2004, 06:46)
it might be really helpful is you told us which ylbums you already have and which you particulary like and which you like less

I have Boxed, Incantations and The Complete on CD and the originals of TB, HR, Ommadawn, Platinum and Exposed on vinyl.

I also have a boot compilation of early singles-only tracks.

My favourite is Ommadawn, but I love TB, HR and Incantations too.  My favourite of the shorter tracks from Boxed, Complete and my bootleg include In Dulci Jubilo, Pipe Tune, Argiers, Wrekorder Wrondo, Cuckoo Song and Portsmouth.

So because of my Ommadawn leanings, Amarok sounds good to me and because of my celtic tunes leanings, so does Voyager.

Any advances?

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Posted: June 15 2004, 08:21

About Voyager, well, it's very standard Celtic music. I think that if I heard that album without knowing it was Mike Oldfield, I would never be able to tell. My guess would be closer to Enya, due to certain moments like the intro of "Women Of Ireland" and "She Moves Through The Fair". But there are nice bits of guitar playing, and the songs are traditional and beautiful.

Amarok, on the other hand, is 100% Mike Oldfield music. You can think of it like Ommadawn and Tubular Bells crossed with each other and whacked on the head a bit. If you're not puzzled in first listens, you will discover a whole new album, though, and a heck of the great one. It's not as immediately likeable as Ommadawn, but you'll have to give it a chance. I liked it from the very first time, but I'm just me. ;)

It's a very visceral and "stripped-down" album. There are no heavy Thuderstorm passages, though there is a bit of dissonance and unexpected left twists. But it sounds very cozy for an Ommadawn fan. The vibe is similar, but much more "alive", and it invites you into its world.


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Posted: June 15 2004, 08:30

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Amarok, on the other hand, is 100% Mike Oldfield music. You can think of it like Ommadawn and Tubular Bells crossed with each other and whacked on the head a bit. If you're not puzzled in first listens, you will discover a whole new album, though, and a heck of the great one. It's not as immediately likeable as Ommadawn, but you'll have to give it a chance.

It's a very visceral and "stripped-down" album. There are no heavy Thuderstorm passages, though there is a bit of dissonance and unexpected left twists. But it sounds very cozy for an Ommadawn fan. The vibe is similar, but much more "alive", and it invites you into its world.

My birthday is looming, Amarok is at the top of the presents list.  :)

After reading what you say about it Sir M, I can hardly wait....

Don't worry - it'll get a fair few hearings before I make any judgements.  ;)

Jules


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Posted: June 15 2004, 09:37

Quote (Sir Mustapha @ June 15 2004, 08:21)
Amarok, on the other hand, is 100% Mike Oldfield music. You can think of it like Ommadawn and Tubular Bells crossed with each other and whacked on the head a bit.

Hey, I never really looked at it that way but I like that description!  :)

Another thing I was thinking of is that you might like Guitars. It's not really folky, but there's very nice and relaxed acoustic playing on it and also some nice rockier stuff. It took me a long while to appreciate, because initially I found it way too simplistic, but now I just think it's simple in a (mostly) good way. I definitely prefer it to Voyager because it sounds much less plastic. What still bugs me about that album is the MIDI drums though, which, being samples of or triggered from his guitar or not, sound out of place to me. Not all tracks have them though.
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Posted: June 15 2004, 09:51

Quote (Sir Mustapha @ June 15 2004, 08:21)
There are no heavy Thunderstorm passages

"Thunderstorm" would be an apt description of the very first section.

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Posted: June 15 2004, 13:14

Hi Familyjules..I had a similar experience to yours. I had all the early works like you (up until Earth Moving though when I left Mike's music for a long time). Only recently I came back again and wondered what  Mike's music was like. My favourite is also Ommadawn.

The first album I got was TBIII and fell in love with it. I does start with a kind of dancy track but has some wonderful traks (Jewel in the Crown is a great guitar piece), FATC is of course the best - Top of the Morning goes into a lovely celtic tune.

I got Amarok as it was billed as Ommadawn II and hated it on first listen and found it nothing like Ommadawn (except for a few brief references). However, I began to like it much more with more listening.

I loved Voyager, my next buy, and still enjoy it very much as great celtic music. I still feel it has a distinctive Oldfield sound, contrary to many other fans. My brother, who is an ardent folk fan listened to Voyager as was mightily impressed saying Mike had got the 'folk pulse' right.

Anyway, do let us know your thoughts on Amarok and the other albums you get around to listening to. :-)


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