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Dirk Star Group: Members Posts: 1331 Joined: Sep. 2007 Posted: Oct. 25 2008, 21:34 In the week leading up to Halloween here I thought it would be quite interesting to hear peoples views on ghosts and whether people believe in them or not.I`ve had one or two "ghostly"/supernatural type experiences myself over the years one of which I`m going to mention here.But to be perfectly honest I`m still very skeptical and unsure on the matter.So I don`t know really,..is it spirits from another dimension,or just our minds playing tricks on us?..Or is it all something to do with our own concept of "linear time" perhaps?..And now as I type this post I`ve suddenly realised that here in England,the clocks are about to go back...Woooooo! About 20 years ago now I used to work as a painter & decorater with a good friend of mine.During which time we were given the job of painting the interior of a local pub here called The Shepherd & Shepherdess.It`s a really old fashioned place all oak beams and stuff inside and out.And I suppose to kind of set the scene here it`s actualy situated amongst trees/woodland known localy as Hell Hole Wood.Which is also very close to the nearby village of the wonderfully named No Place.So we`d actualy been working on this pub for a couple of weeks or so,mainly in the landlords living area/kitchens etc.But we decided that rather than close the pub for a while to paint the bar room area we would do the job overnight.The landlord at the time was this great old guy from London,who had been something of a war hero in WW2,and said to us before he went off to bed.."I`m gonna` leave the bar on for yer lads so just help yoursleves..For God`s sake though don`t get drunk,or I might have to come down and join yers".. Well during the course of the night I think we only had a couple of half pints at the most,so you certainly could`nt blame the ale for what was about to happen next.I`d say it was about 2/3 in the morning and me and my friend we`re working quite close to each other painting the ceiling panels.The bar itself was kind of an L shape and at the time we were working towards the bottom of the "L" if you like,so we could see the whole room in front of us.I just caught it out the corner of my eye at first while I was looking down filling the roller with paint.I kind of ignored it really,I just did`nt want to acknowledge it at all.But this figure/shape whatever it was moved down the entire length of the bar and stopped dead still adjacent to the both of us.My friend worked on regardless also but I knew he was aware it was there.And you could just sense/feel this thing looking at you I suppose almost as if you were being sounded out.It was`nt there very long maybe 10/15 seconds at the most,but man it felt like an eternity.And then slowly it seemed to dissapate and then dissapear into the wall behind us. Now normaly when we were working together back then we`d be chatting away constantly,cracking stupid jokes and stuff.But for the next hour or so we never said a single word to each other.I mean had I been there by myself I think I may have even dismissed the entire event on paint fumes(even though it was emulsion) or an over active imagination.As it was when we did stop for a break a little time later all I said to my friend was.."Did you see that then"?....To which my friend replied..."Oh yes"..We then proceeded to tell the exact same story to each other of what we saw and felt,but the whole incident was very unnerving I have to say. A little later in the night with the job all done and dusted and dawn beginning to break.I decided to open the bar-room door as it was pretty stuffy/hot inside it being the middle of summer.And then taking my shirt off I was that hot I stood all pale white chested in the baroom doorway drinking a pint of lager.There was a bit of early morning mist around as well I seem to remember,because at that very point some guy came past walking his dog.Who upon seeing this pale white figure stood in the misty doorway in front of him at God knows what hour of the morning..Just about filled his pants and turned heels in the opposite direction.Well after the nights events it certainly made me break out in laughter at the time.. I`ve got a few other little stories that have happened to friends of mine that I`ll maybe tell a little later in the week. Back to top

Major Gowen Group: Members Posts: 83 Joined: June 2008 Posted: Oct. 25 2008, 22:22 Quote (Dirk Star @ Oct. 25 2008, 21:34) A little later in the night with the job all done and dusted and dawn beginning to break.I decided to open the bar-room door as it was pretty stuffy/hot inside it being the middle of summer.And then taking my shirt off I was that hot I stood all pale white chested in the baroom doorway drinking a pint of lager. I think I would've hit the bar about five seconds after seeing what you saw! Okay, here's my brush with ghostly goings-on. Back in 1987/88 I was in my first year at college and was living in a large Edwardian house with about 30 other students. All the bedrooms were shared and on the floor above me there was one room shared by four girls. After a while they started telling everyone they thought the room was haunted, and things got worse because one of them got so freaked out one night she moved out of the room into a different one. Supposedly one of them saw a figure standing by the window, and it later transpired that many years ago someone who lived in the house had committed suicide. In the end they got a priest to go up there to bless the room or something. Then a few weeks later my room-mate told me he'd woken up during the night and seen a figure at the end of my bed! Yes I know that students are quite adept at seeing strange things due to the intake of certain substances, and I remember kind of laughing it off at the time but in the end I was quite glad to move out of there after the first year. I'm not sure what to think when it comes to ghosts and the supernatural. Sometimes I do think people can let their imagination get the better of them, and sometimes there can be a perfectly rational explanation for something, eg branches tapping against the window etc. But I'd never rule anything out either, as I definitely think there's another 'side' to everything that we can't see. Certainly those girls in that room convinced me that something very, very spooky was going on. Back to top

Scatterplot Group: Members Posts: 1981 Joined: Dec. 2007 Posted: Oct. 26 2008, 00:25 I do not believe in them. My life has had a lot of deaths in it. I think I would be a good candidate for seeing a ghost(s). Yet I never have. I would walk into any graveyard at 3AM confident that I would see nothing other than what was there in the day. I do believe in Zombies though. I've seen thousands. Blindly staggering through life(or the Unlife) making "Gollum" type noises wherever they go. -------------- We raise our voices in the night Crying to heaven And will our voices be heard Or will they break Like the wind Back to top

The Big BellEnd Group: Members Posts: 971 Joined: Jan. 2004 Posted: Oct. 26 2008, 05:49 The most recent phenomena of the paranormal that was brought to my attention follows thus. Not far from were I live there are a number of country manor's and  very old large family homes, giant spreading property's that at one time were most likely owned by perhap's steel or coal merchant's. One which is by all account's haunted. Obviously the stories surrounding the 'Haunted House' vary from a green lady to poltergeist extreme. Well I must tell I've just read, in a local paper, an article by a leading spokesman of our gay community about last Halloween, he and a close friend decided to settle the score on whether this particular house was indeed a ghost host. Apparently the place did have the right vibe for a haunting but as midnight came and whent nothing of a spooky nature took place , apart from the noises one could imagine from a big old house there was nothing doing. The spokesman and would be ghost buster's commented( this old manor certainly had an eerie feel to it, but we could tell after a while and a few odd noises, a ghost sighting looked unlikely). When asked if the whole thing had been a disappointing waste of time the friend of our intrepid spirit spotter said' not really, after all it was a house that looked as if it could have a tale to tell, but maybe not to us,anyway we did get into the swing of the situation and spent most of the early hours putting the Willies up eachother'. Scary stuff indeed. -------------- I, ON THE OTHER HAND. AM A VICTIM OF YOUR CARNIVOUROUS LUNAR ACTIVITY. Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Oct. 26 2008, 17:34 This is rather serious, I don't know whether it fits here or not. The morning after my dad died (which was, of all days, December 25, 2005 - Christmas day) and all my relatives were at my house for the mourning, someone rang at the door. At the moment I thought it was no big deal, people were coming and going all the time. But then I heard this ring, my mom went to answer it immediately and there wasn't anyone there. Also, during the night of the same day, my mom got in bed before me; later, when I got in bed, she was surprised: she thought I'd already come. I asked her why, she said she'd heard and felt someone pulling the sheets. During the following days, we both thought that the above happened because of my dad wanting to say goodbye to us, and sometimes I still do think so. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

Dirk Star Group: Members Posts: 1331 Joined: Sep. 2007 Posted: Oct. 26 2008, 17:42 Quote (Ugo @ Oct. 26 2008, 22:34) This is rather serious, I don't know whether it fits here or not. The morning after my dad died (which was, of all days, December 25, 2005 - Christmas day) and all my relatives were at my house for the mourning, someone rang at the door. At the moment I thought it was no big deal, people were coming and going all the time. But then I heard this ring, my mom went to answer it immediately and there wasn't anyone there. Also, during the night of the same day, my mom got in bed before me; later, when I got in bed, she was surprised: she thought I'd already come. I asked her why, she said she'd heard and felt someone pulling the sheets. During the following days, we both thought that the above happened because of my dad wanting to say goodbye to us, and sometimes I still do think so. Interesting story Ugo.My dad claims to have seen my grandad a few days after his death,he died before I was born (23rd december 1963) My dad says he was sat in the living room chair plain as day,smiling at him.He`s convinced to this day that he did`nt imagine any of it. Back to top

Bassman Group: Members Posts: 548 Joined: Feb. 2008 Posted: Oct. 26 2008, 18:00 Holy crap, Ugo! I don't know if this qualifies, but on the heels of that story, check this out guys... Back in 1985 I had just had all my wisdom teeth extracted.  The early-afternoon of the day after I was at my apartment taking a lie-down.  I was pretty dozey from the painkillers.  In one of my dreams my Mom popped her head in my bedroom door saying she was "taking off now".  A short time later I got a call from my sister Cathy.  She was at the hospital and Mom had just passed away. Nothing like that had ever happened to me before.  Or since. -------------- Turn up the music... Hi as Fi can go. Back to top

Bleat Group: Members Posts: 97 Joined: June 2006 Posted: Oct. 26 2008, 19:16 I inadvertently "astrally projected" about a week ago.I was drifting off to sleep and the next thing I know, i'm stood at the top of the stairs looking down them.All of a sudden, a woman was walking up the stairs towards me,quite tall about 6ft,with brown curly hair and glasses,maybe around the age of 50. She was quite thin and was wearing some sort of strange uniform....she was staring right at me as she was walking up the stairs towards me.....when i stared at her I freaked and suddenly woke up.......took me a while to get to sleep after.It was so real.....I dont know who it was but I feel it was one of my spirit guides.It has happened before and spirits seem to have a thing about appearing on my stairs....apart from that my house is very peaceful,friends have commented on it several times. I have a few other odd things happen ,il bore you all another time maybe   Bleat. Back to top

Dirk Star Group: Members Posts: 1331 Joined: Sep. 2007 Posted: Oct. 26 2008, 21:26 The following stories I`m going to tell here have all happened to three diffrent friends of mine over the years.......Some of you may or may not remember the story of a young 13 year old American child by the name of Samantha Smith Who concerned with the state of "The Cold War" at the time(1982) wrote a letter to the newly appointed Soviet president Yuri Andropov.The entire story of the media circus that then followed as a result of that letter can be read at the wikipedia link above.But I`m sure most of us here(of a certain age at least) are familiar with the story to some extent.Sadly some three years after that story had long since become "yesterday`s news" I suppose Samantha died in a tragic plane crash.A close friend of mine at the time had a very vivid dream regarding the tragedy,and even before he had switched on the news the following morning had known that Samantha was one of the passengers on board the aircraft. This next story concerns another friend`s father,who whilst working at his job at a nearby chemical plant here.Had been exposed to some quite toxic fumes due to a "spillage" in the depot yard.Feeling somewhat light headed and groggy from the incident management decided to send him home for the day.Not entirely great health & safety protocol I guess,but this did take place quite a number of years ago now.Whilst walking into the street where he lived he bumped into a neighbour who he had`nt seen for quite some time.He then stood chatting to this lady for a good ten/fifteen minutes about why he had been sent home for the day etc.But he had also mentioned to her that he had just started up an allotment(garden) in which he was planning to grow leeks to hopefully enter into that years garden show.Replying to this his neighbour had then advised him to make sure that he dug his trenches for the leeks deeper than normal,as there was going to be a lot of rainfall that summer.Well even in his "odd" mental state he had thought this advice a little strange in the way it was worded.But particularly so coming from the old lady he was talking to,who to his knowledge had no gardening experience whatsoever.Of course when he finaly walked into his house his wife informed him that the lady he`d been talking to had been dead for several months...Still he did take her advice on board none the less and ended up winning first prize at that years garden show.Maybe not all down to beginners luck one wonders? This last story here concerns my friends father-in-law.Who after a long and brave struggle with bowel cancer sadly passed away some ten years ago now.In the last year or so of his life he had been given a watch as a present,which would continualy stop at quarter past five.It would`nt stop every day,but just enough to annoy him.And so much so in fact that he had the watch sent to the repair shop to see if they could find anything wrong with it.The watch was returned to him a few days later with a note saying they could`nt find any problems with it at all.But of course as it normaly is with these things the problem still persisted.My friends father-in-law died some months later in hospital at exactly 5:15.And the watch which at the time had been left in his bedside cabinet had once again stopped at precisely the same time.After his death the watch was passed on to my firend`s wife`s cousin,and as I understand it has kept perfect time ever since.Although I`ve also been told that he does`nt dare wear it and he keeps the watch in a kitchen drawer...It would`nt be a drawer I`d be wanting to look into too often myself I must admit. Back to top

ex member 419 Group: Members Posts: 1177 Joined: April 2008 Posted: Oct. 27 2008, 00:54 I certainly believe in the supernatural as I am a celt with scottish ancestry. My grandfather used to tell us some weird tales of things that happened in the mountains. As far as i know Mike will be gearing up for Halloween as he is a believer also. the thirtieth of october is when the veil between our dimension and the other side is at its thinnest, and why witches and warlocks gather at this time to send and recieve blessings from the other side ( not turning people into toads or cussing). True celts use this time of year to celebrate their history. Is everything possible? Yes if you believe it Cheers' Tubular Twerp Back to top

Scatterplot Group: Members Posts: 1981 Joined: Dec. 2007 Posted: Oct. 27 2008, 01:26 I guess I should amend what I said above. I think I may have have seen "ghosts" in my dreams. If a dream counts. My sister Deborah commited suicide on Jan. 30 1982 with a .38 pistol in her mouth. Now they say people who die a violent death, kill themselves etc., that these are your "chain rattlers". The real pissed off souls that hang out between here and the other side of life. When my parents and myself went to her house in Dallas that night, guess who they delegated the room/bed she died in/on to sleep in? Yeah, Jimbo. I was totally creeped out, eyes wide open all night.     I never saw her, ever. But the dreams went on for a few  years. Terrible, gruesome, horrifying dreams that tormented me and finally stopped by the late 80's. Tell me children are you sleeping, are you innocent like me. May you never cross the line, I hope your dreams are not like mine. -------------- We raise our voices in the night Crying to heaven And will our voices be heard Or will they break Like the wind Back to top

Sir Mustapha Group: Musicians Posts: 2802 Joined: April 2003 Posted: Oct. 27 2008, 09:13 I'll be the one to bring up the anecdote of the dragon in Carl Sagan's garage when the right time comes. -------------- Check out http://ferniecanto.com.br for all my music, including my latest albums: Don't Stay in the City, Making Amends and Builders of Worlds. Also check my Bandcamp page: http://ferniecanto.bandcamp.com Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4770 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: Oct. 27 2008, 18:52 This isn't so much to do with ghosts as the uncanny - and the subject is myself! Some years ago I was talking to a guy who kept giving me strange looks. I asked him why, and he said there was something odd or mysterious about me! Not sure whether to be offended, I asked him to elaborate. He said there was something odd about my eyes, and he was also superstitious about my house number, which is 420. You see, if you adopt the code A=1, B=2, etc, the number 420 results when you multiply the letters of GOD together. He asked me what my previous house number was. I told him 26, which it was. At this point, he freaked out, because 26 is what you get if you ADD the letters of GOD together! Since then, I can't help noticing occurrences of the number 26. Indeed, in this forum there are 26 albums listed by Mike! Back to top

Sir Mustapha Group: Musicians Posts: 2802 Joined: April 2003 Posted: Oct. 28 2008, 07:51 I think the number 420 is cool for other reasons, because if you cut off the zero it becomes the answer to life, the universe and everything. I'd like to live in a house numbered 42, myself. What freaks me out, also, is how a person can genuinely love me exactly the way I am, and how I can genuinely love that same person exactly the way she is, and how we both want to be with each other all the time, and how near perfect was the sequence of events that led us to be like this. It's a statistical impossibility, a practical inviability, an unimaginable implausibility, and yet it happened. There was such a small chance of it not happening that I don't want to think about it. It was like a lottery, and I won my life in it. -------------- Check out http://ferniecanto.com.br for all my music, including my latest albums: Don't Stay in the City, Making Amends and Builders of Worlds. Also check my Bandcamp page: http://ferniecanto.bandcamp.com Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Oct. 28 2008, 19:55 @ Bassman: I didn't make up any of it, it all really happened. About the experience you had, it may well qualify as a "premonitory dream". When I had a very bad heart condition in 2001 and I was lying in an hospital bed, my mom laid in the bed next to mine one night because she felt very tired. The following day she told me she'd dreamed of Father Pio standing next to me (in my bed), holding my hand and saying: "You'll be alright". The day after that I completely recovered. @ nightspore: very interesting and nice story, but it's not really my cup of tea - as I don't believe in numerical codes (or numerical superstitions) linked to alphabetical letters, and in numerology in general. @ Sir Mustapha: you've indeed won the lottery- you found your "twin soul", as we call it in Italy. I've yet to. Adding to this, I'd like to quote a story which my grandma used to tell me and whose memory was brought back by ex member 419's post above. My grandma told me that, when she was a child, her mom used to put a straw broom upside down (so that the straws were facing upwards) next to the door, or next to the fireplace. When asked why, she replied that it was because of the witches coming into the house at night. If they found a broom placed that way, they would be caught by the irresistible urge to count its straws - and by the time they were through, it was morning again and they would have to flee. At first I thought this was just an old tale.... but still now, when I happen to go in my grandparents' little home village in the mountains and I visit some elderly women's houses, I often happen to find brooms (even modern ones) upside-down next to the doors, especially during one of these bleak autumn nights. Of course I don't really have to ask them why that broom is standing there that way. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4770 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: Oct. 28 2008, 21:01 Quote (Sir Mustapha @ Oct. 28 2008, 07:51) What freaks me out, also, is how a person can genuinely love me exactly the way I am, and how I can genuinely love that same person exactly the way she is, and how we both want to be with each other all the time, and how near perfect was the sequence of events that led us to be like this. It's a statistical impossibility, a practical inviability, an unimaginable implausibility, and yet it happened. There was such a small chance of it not happening that I don't want to think about it. It was like a lottery, and I won my life in it. According to the many-universes interpretation of quantum theory, Sir M, there are vast numbers of universes where precisely that didn't take place. Interestingly, recent theoretical work by Saunders and Deutsch has led to physicists taking this interpretation much more seriously than they had in the past. Good luck with your soulmate. Expect complexity, and never do anything spiteful if something eventuates you don't like. Back to top

Sir Mustapha Group: Musicians Posts: 2802 Joined: April 2003 Posted: Oct. 28 2008, 21:38 Quote (Ugo @ Oct. 28 2008, 19:55) Adding to this, I'd like to quote a story which my grandma used to tell me and whose memory was brought back by ex member 419's post above. My grandma told me that, when she was a child, her mom used to put a straw broom upside down (so that the straws were facing upwards) next to the door, or next to the fireplace. When asked why, she replied that it was because of the witches coming into the house at night. If they found a broom placed that way, they would be caught by the irresistible urge to count its straws - and by the time they were through, it was morning again and they would have to flee. I'm remembering now that I've heard once of putting a broom upside down next to the door, but for entirely different reasons - more precisely as a "technique" for getting rid of unpleasant visitors. It's weird, because the witch tale at least makes sense. The thing that gets me thinking about how people get together like that is, the way it happened to me seems so amazingly improbable, but I can't be such a rare thing that it only happens to a few blessed people including me. It must certainly happen to other people, so how can such an absurd thing be so common? There seems to be a little piece of the puzzle missing, a little link I'm not seeing... and maybe I don't want to. I can see little point in rationalising this. But the way I see it now, I can't help but think that I'm just amazingly lucky. -------------- Check out http://ferniecanto.com.br for all my music, including my latest albums: Don't Stay in the City, Making Amends and Builders of Worlds. Also check my Bandcamp page: http://ferniecanto.bandcamp.com Back to top

Scatterplot Group: Members Posts: 1981 Joined: Dec. 2007 Posted: Oct. 29 2008, 01:05 Perhaps what people think are ghosts are really the deceased's counterparts from a quantum universe that resonates on a frequency just slightly off from ours. Hence why they usually seem invisible or only partially there. Then they get their ya ya's out by rattling things and moaning, tipping lamps over, all the stuff they would get their asses kicked for in their own quantum reality. Bill Murray and co. knew this in Ghostbusters I and II. This was what their sophisticated equipment measured-the precise resonance frequencies in the slime, in order to tune their portable particle accellerators to send the entity back to it's own universe. "Don't cross the streams". Crossing the streams it was discovered, was the only wany to create a small tear in the two universes thereby sending the unwanted entity back to it's own universe, and you're not buying any of this are you? -------------- We raise our voices in the night Crying to heaven And will our voices be heard Or will they break Like the wind Back to top

Bleat Group: Members Posts: 97 Joined: June 2006 Posted: Oct. 29 2008, 13:56 I agree its all to do with vibrations....... Take Mike Oldfield's guitar and play the low E string....look at the string and we "see" it physically vibrating..low note/low vibration rate...play the highest E string and it gets harder to "see" it physically vibrating but it's still producing a note, a much higher one......if we kept adding higher strings it would go out of human hearing range (and sight range as the strings would be getting incredibly thin at this point)..but there would still be a note playing...we wouldnt hear it but im sure a dog would....ever notice how cats suddenly stare at things that dont seem to be physically "there" ?.....imo the same applies to everything we experience...we are all made of atoms after all all we have to do is raise our own vibrational rate to experience things that we do not see /hear in this low vibrational reality. On a related note,I was recently investigating the Solfeggio scale and it's frequency link to DNA repair (528hz),and other healing properties...also its effect on water crystals...well worth reading about. Back to top

Inkanta Group: Admins Posts: 1453 Joined: Feb. 2000 Posted: Oct. 29 2008, 23:09 Quote (Sir Mustapha @ Oct. 27 2008, 09:13) I'll be the one to bring up the anecdote of the dragon in Carl Sagan's garage when the right time comes. What about Carl Sagan's dragon?? (I probably should google, or ask someone locally, since I am working in the community in which he lived). Sagan was the skeptic's skeptic.  When he lived in the house built into one of the gorges, he had a Mobile Pegasus on his back porch. I am apparently living in a houseful of ghosts, according to one of my sensitive Wiccan friends. One is a cute guy in his 20's who hangs out in the living room. Sometimes I sense things, but think it is my imagination. There are times that I come home and say hi to everyone, just in case. Sometimes I complain to them about stuff. One of my daughters says she has seen a girl, but the rest of us haven't seen anything. The house dates from before 1835, so there could be a bit of ghostly history to it. Or not. One of the tubular.net team was here last week, and I think we were both pretty creeped out when the cat appeared to be playing with and looking at someone not exactly here. Why do they do those things??? Actually, we were all sitting at the table when my youngest daughter came into the house, and I was sure I'd seen her friend come in with her, and go upstairs. When I asked if her friend was going to be here for dinner, she said that she was all alone. Probably just a trick of the light. "Some tricks of the light...."  Sometimes we hear people coming upstairs, but it's probably the cat. Hmm. Maybe I should invite the Ghost Hunters for a visit. I have had other experiences, over the years, including the dream when someone I love came to me to say goodbye and that we couldn't pursue a relationship because he no longer had a body. The next day I found out he'd been murdered on the other side of the planet.  I've mentioned that before in a slightly different context. There have been other odd experiences over the years, as well, but it is late and I'm creeping myself out, here! I am quite sure there really isn't anyone looking over my shoulder as I am typing! Really! -------------- "No such thing as destiny; only choices exist." From:  Moongarden's "Solaris." Back to top

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