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Sonilink Group: Members Posts: 393 Joined: Jan. 2005 Posted: May 09 2005, 07:13 What has Mike against Punk rock ( you could say the oppisite)??? Some album are great like "London calling" or "NeVeRmInD tHe BoLlOcKs" -------------- Take the Time Back to top

familyjules Group: Members Posts: 1190 Joined: May 2004 Posted: May 09 2005, 07:26 Quote (Sonilink @ May 09 2005, 07:13) What has Mike against Punk rock ( you could say the oppisite)??? Some album are great like "London calling" or "NeVeRmInD tHe BoLlOcKs" I guess it's about historical context.  Before punk came along, the music Mike made was fashionable (at least to some extent), but afterwards he was considered a 'dinosaur' and it must have hit him quite hard.  He chose to change with the times and become more song-oriented, and lo and behold was soon having hit singles! I agree that punk left us some fine albums by The Clash, The Stranglers, Television, The Sex Pistols and The Ramones.  However that was the cream of the crop  As with all musical 'movements' history only mentions the best - there was some pretty bad stuff too..... Jules -------------- I like beer and I like cheese Back to top

hiawatha Group: Members Posts: 2391 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: May 09 2005, 10:52 I'd rather punk had not happened. For all the good (fun novelty songs like "Rock the Casbah"), I think it did a lot of damage by displacing progressive. That's just my opinion. -------------- "In the land of the Dacotahs, Where the Falls of Minnehaha Flash and gleam among the oak-trees, Laugh and leap into the valley." - Song of Hiawatha Back to top

familyjules Group: Members Posts: 1190 Joined: May 2004 Posted: May 09 2005, 10:57 Quote (hiawatha @ May 09 2005, 10:52) I'd rather punk had not happened. For all the good (fun novelty songs like "Rock the Casbah"), I think it did a lot of damage by displacing progressive. That's just my opinion. I don't think Rock the Casbah was intended as a novelty song. And I still disagree with you about punk and prog.  When a movement is tired, as prog had become by '76, the it's ripe for being overthrown.  It's the natural order of things.  Prog had disappeared up its own arse and punk was a breath of fresh air. Plus, it's not liek your favourite bands went anywhere, Hiawatha.  They're mostly still here. Jules -------------- I like beer and I like cheese Back to top

hiawatha Group: Members Posts: 2391 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: May 09 2005, 11:30 I don't think prog was the least bit tired, and that punk was a breath of rather foul air -------------- "In the land of the Dacotahs, Where the Falls of Minnehaha Flash and gleam among the oak-trees, Laugh and leap into the valley." - Song of Hiawatha Back to top

familyjules Group: Members Posts: 1190 Joined: May 2004 Posted: May 09 2005, 11:38 Quote (hiawatha @ May 09 2005, 11:30) I don't think prog was the least bit tired, and that punk was a breath of rather foul air Bah!  You big fuddy duddy! Jules -------------- I like beer and I like cheese Back to top

hiawatha Group: Members Posts: 2391 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: May 09 2005, 11:50 I'll say this: I've never heard the Ramones. Everyone says they are great. Maybe if I did, it would change my view of Old Punk. -------------- "In the land of the Dacotahs, Where the Falls of Minnehaha Flash and gleam among the oak-trees, Laugh and leap into the valley." - Song of Hiawatha Back to top

Sir Mustapha Group: Musicians Posts: 2802 Joined: April 2003 Posted: May 09 2005, 12:20 Well, I do think Prog was getting tired. All the Prog greatness had already happened ("Selling England By The Pound", "Close To The Edge", "Larks' Tongues In Aspic", etc.) and by then, the "great" Prog bands were just starting to repeat themselves. Punk was just bound to happen (even though I think the term "Punk revolution" is a bit of a stretch: if anything, Punk was a backwards revolution, if such thing exists), and "progressive" music just changed into other things. The bands that were willing to "progress" were simply doing things different than 15-minute epics and concept albums. Punk itself kind of went nowhere, but it did cause an important change in music. Plus, let's not forget Punk existed long before the Ramones. Remember The Who? -------------- Check out http://ferniecanto.com.br for all my music, including my latest albums: Don't Stay in the City, Making Amends and Builders of Worlds. Also check my Bandcamp page: http://ferniecanto.bandcamp.com Back to top

The Big BellEnd Group: Members Posts: 971 Joined: Jan. 2004 Posted: May 09 2005, 13:02 Hiawatha, not waving but drowning, you did not get the experience of punk when it happened so you are obviously missing a lot, punk was let's all pretend to be individual but all do the same thing, it was a lot of fun while it lasted and some of it is still outstanding, and I'll tell you more, if punk had not come along Bob Marley would not have been heard of out side of Jamaica. -------------- I, ON THE OTHER HAND. AM A VICTIM OF YOUR CARNIVOUROUS LUNAR ACTIVITY. Back to top

hiawatha Group: Members Posts: 2391 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: May 09 2005, 13:21 Quote (The Big BellEnd @ May 09 2005, 13:02) Hiawatha, not waving but drowning, you did not get the experience of punk when it happened so you are obviously missing a lot, punk was let's all pretend to be individual but all do the same thing, it was a lot of fun while it lasted and some of it is still outstanding, and I'll tell you more, if punk had not come along Bob Marley would not have been heard of out side of Jamaica. "Not waving, but drowning?" Sounds like a verse from the "Song of Hiawatha". Maybe before the bird was wounded by the magic arrow.... I did get the experience of punk when it happened, BigBellEnd. I was around then. Were you? Just because I remembered it does not mean that I had to like it. As for Bob Marley, I think I did hear of him before the punk revolution. From "The Story of Bob Marley" http://www.bobmarley.com/life/story/part4.html "Marley and the band came to London in April 1973, embarking on a club tour which hardened The Wailers as a live group. After three months, however, the band returned to Jamaica and Bunny, disenchanted by life on the road, refused to play the American tour. His place was taken by Joe Higgs, The Wailers' original singing teacher. The American tour drew packed houses and even included a weekend engagement playing support to the young Bruce Springsteen. Such was the demand that an autumn tour was also arranged with seventeen dates as support to Sly & The Family Stone, then the number one band in black American music. " As you can see, Marley was already packing houses before the punk revolution (Iggy and the Who not withstanding)...around the time "Tubular Bells" came out, in fact: outside of Jamaica.. Wikipedia describes punk rock as "[a] movement that began about 1976", a few years after Marley was already big. -------------- "In the land of the Dacotahs, Where the Falls of Minnehaha Flash and gleam among the oak-trees, Laugh and leap into the valley." - Song of Hiawatha Back to top

hiawatha Group: Members Posts: 2391 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: May 09 2005, 13:26 Quote (Sir Mustapha @ May 09 2005, 12:20) Plus, let's not forget Punk existed long before the Ramones. Remember The Who? Remember Iggy Popp as well. -------------- "In the land of the Dacotahs, Where the Falls of Minnehaha Flash and gleam among the oak-trees, Laugh and leap into the valley." - Song of Hiawatha Back to top

Sir Mustapha Group: Musicians Posts: 2802 Joined: April 2003 Posted: May 09 2005, 13:41 Quote (hiawatha @ May 09 2005, 13:26) Remember Iggy Popp as well. Very good call. I just mention The Who because their "My Generation" debut, which is pretty much a Punk record ahead of its time, was around by 1964. The Stooges came a few years later, but they were just as pivotal (if not more) as The Who for Punk bands. Thanks for reminding me. As for Bob, I did think that Eric Clapton contributed a lot to his fame with the "I Shot The Sheriff" cover, way before Punk bands appeared. -------------- Check out http://ferniecanto.com.br for all my music, including my latest albums: Don't Stay in the City, Making Amends and Builders of Worlds. Also check my Bandcamp page: http://ferniecanto.bandcamp.com Back to top

TOBY Group: Members Posts: 1562 Joined: May 2002 Posted: May 09 2005, 13:42 Very strange that this topic should appear today because at the weekend I came across an old article I had cut out of a music mag (Mojo I think) from a few years back about Tubular Bells. Basically it was one of those 'classic album' profile things going through all the old facts and figures, however the journalist who wrote it did make one interesting point and that is that for an album that came to represent everything that punk hated about prog TB weirdly embodied a lot of the punk ethic. It was relatively home made, certainly done on next to no budget by a man or even a boy who had no musical training and certainly didn't clamor nor court mainstream success. It's strange and a pity that TB was always and still is seen as such a prog dinosaur of an album. However Mike himself has done nothing to help matters. He seems hell bent on being punk's last victim. There's rarely an interview with him where he doesn't slag punk off for ruining his career (HA! even a lot of Mike's contemporaries will admit that punk was a actually a much needed breath of fresh air in the late 70's music because it led to a lot of good musical things. And this is the one thing that seems to have utterly by passed Mike when he so blindly and narrow mindedly slags punk off, namely that it inspired kids, especially working class kids, who never dreamt of taking up music to pick up a musical instrument and discover they were actually rather good at it. Robert Smith of the Cure (a known closet prog rock fan) has said punk gave him the confidence to try making music because the ethos of punk was that anybody could do it and you didn't have to prove yourself to anybody, somehting I would of thought Mike would have aproved of. It's slightly ironic that the Cure actually went on to be one best musical bands of the late 80's early 90's and dare I say it really rather progy in a weird way. Back to top

The Big BellEnd Group: Members Posts: 971 Joined: Jan. 2004 Posted: May 09 2005, 14:31 yeah, like I said Bob Marley and punk, hand in glove, I'm sorry  I can't refer to a load of www dot's I thought I'd just tell it like it was, PS Hiawatha exactly where was it again in  the UK were you when the punk thing was going off. -------------- I, ON THE OTHER HAND. AM A VICTIM OF YOUR CARNIVOUROUS LUNAR ACTIVITY. Back to top

The Big BellEnd Group: Members Posts: 971 Joined: Jan. 2004 Posted: May 09 2005, 14:34 double ps do you think mike may have resented punk because he was on the same lable as the Sex Pistol's. -------------- I, ON THE OTHER HAND. AM A VICTIM OF YOUR CARNIVOUROUS LUNAR ACTIVITY. Back to top

The Big BellEnd Group: Members Posts: 971 Joined: Jan. 2004 Posted: May 09 2005, 14:38 pps The Who were a Mod band. -------------- I, ON THE OTHER HAND. AM A VICTIM OF YOUR CARNIVOUROUS LUNAR ACTIVITY. Back to top

hiawatha Group: Members Posts: 2391 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: May 09 2005, 14:44 Quote (The Big BellEnd @ May 09 2005, 14:31) yeah, like I said Bob Marley and punk, hand in glove, I'm sorry  I can't refer to a load of www dot's I thought I'd just tell it like it was, PS Hiawatha exactly where was it again in  the UK were you when the punk thing was going off. I wasn't in the UK, but I recall hearing the Sex Pistols somewhere before they were big. That is as far as "I was there" goes for me: perhaps a term I should not have used for merely listening quite early, especially compared to someone who really WAS really there in the small clubs experiencing it live. -------------- "In the land of the Dacotahs, Where the Falls of Minnehaha Flash and gleam among the oak-trees, Laugh and leap into the valley." - Song of Hiawatha Back to top

The Big BellEnd Group: Members Posts: 971 Joined: Jan. 2004 Posted: May 09 2005, 14:47 You're forgiven -------------- I, ON THE OTHER HAND. AM A VICTIM OF YOUR CARNIVOUROUS LUNAR ACTIVITY. Back to top

Sir Mustapha Group: Musicians Posts: 2802 Joined: April 2003 Posted: May 09 2005, 14:51 Quote (The Big BellEnd @ May 09 2005, 14:38) pps The Who were a Mod band. They sure were! But I'm not betraying the truth when I say the kind of stuff The Who were saying back then isn't too different from the "Punk philosophy". The attitude, the energy, it's all pretty much what the Punks were doing in '76, isn't it? -------------- Check out http://ferniecanto.com.br for all my music, including my latest albums: Don't Stay in the City, Making Amends and Builders of Worlds. Also check my Bandcamp page: http://ferniecanto.bandcamp.com Back to top

The Big BellEnd Group: Members Posts: 971 Joined: Jan. 2004 Posted: May 09 2005, 14:54 yep it is, and not too dissimilar to the early rap scene. -------------- I, ON THE OTHER HAND. AM A VICTIM OF YOUR CARNIVOUROUS LUNAR ACTIVITY. Back to top

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