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Posted: Aug. 25 2009, 15:23

I don't start threads that often, usually when I'm frisky. Today I did it twice. Yeah, I did it twice today and got cought both times(a little George Carlin RIP humor there).
    There is a very anti-MO attitude here today. More MO bashing and trashing than I've ever seen. This is unacceptable coming from the guy who coined us all "Tubularians". Now, the guy had "issues". Looks like he still does......But one thing I've noticed in my 35 year peek at this guy's fans, I've met only a few in Texas(look at the goddamn region-not the best MO feeding grounds).....but those I met were college educated, some doctors of music, most were musicians, but all very "quirky". They had issues. They were compromised emotionally, had "issues". Mike's music attracts people with active imaginations, depression, lost love, lost family, I could go on all day....Suffice to say only a small "issued" percentile, I have found, like MO. So if we are damaged in some way and his albums reflect "emotional damage"(that much is certain), why put him down? There were times I was depressed as hell(and drunk too) in the '80s and his albums I sought out not to "soothe" my ass but to reinforce my sadness. A line from Star Trek-sometimes a really needed thing:"I don't want my pain taken away, I need my pain, it's part of who I am". And MO did it BEST. We can revel in happy times, but there are times to seek out a barren wasteland of emotion. "The Inner Child" from TB3 comes to mind. This was what MO did best. The ultimate BLUES MAN. I figured out what he is. He took the blues and brought it to an art-rock level. Captivated an audience of blues seekers with an appetite for high-tech art and sensory bombardment. No more MO bashing. Sadness is as important as happiness. Light+Shade. One can't exist without the other. Let him swim. Let him Boat. Let him evade questions. The guy gave you a lot more than many others did.....my 2 cents worth.
Jim


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Posted: Aug. 25 2009, 15:57

Yeah, absolutely. I think  ;)

Is MO getting 'bashed' and 'trashed'? Maybe. Maybe not.
There's just plenty of analysis (and a smidgen of frustration) about his many idiosyncrasies, that's all. But without them he wouldn't be Mike Oldfield IMO.


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Posted: Aug. 25 2009, 16:21

Correct.

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Posted: Aug. 25 2009, 17:09

Scatter - why do you think there is an anti-MO attitude?

The way I see it, there is some genuine wearyness for sure,  underpinned by the the grievance with signed editions. The grievance has been ignored for a long time, the fans in question have felt dismissed, and the rest of us have looked on as witnesses. Mike has neither acknowledged the problem or the fans. This has just pissed people off, particiularly now that Mike is doing a 'poor me' routine.

His music is still great - it's a responsibility issue, and it's not going to go away.


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Posted: Aug. 25 2009, 18:19

Quote (wiga @ Aug. 25 2009, 22:09)
Scatter - why do you think there is an anti-MO attitude?

The way I see it, there is some genuine wearyness for sure,  underpinned by the the grievance with signed editions. The grievance has been ignored for a long time, the fans in question have felt dismissed, and the rest of us have looked on as witnesses. Mike has neither acknowledged the problem or the fans. This has just pissed people off, particiularly now that Mike is doing a 'poor me' routine.

His music is still great - it's a responsibility issue, and it's not going to go away until it's been acknowledged.

I'm not sure about this. Is it reasonable for MO to know about the signed UE problems? Okay, maybe he's visited this site on occasion in the past, but he probably doesn't do so on a regular basis. (Anyway he's too busy cruising around the Bahamas in his swimming trunks and getting annoyed with interviewers by the looks of it  ;) :p).
And with the news from Korgscrew in the 'problem' thread that he doesn't have a PA/personal rep/agent or what-have-you, how can he be made aware of the problems in order to respond to them? I'm at a loss TBH.
Frankly I am VERY ANNOYED that no one seems to be listening and responding to the total fiasco that the signed UE release has turned into, but there it is. 'Bashing' and 'trashing' MO for the failures that have emanated from Bandstores and Universal/Mercury probably won't help IMO. Nevertheless, it does reflect badly on him as an artist in the end - since it's his work - but it would seem he's too far removed from what's actually going on. Pity.


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Posted: Aug. 26 2009, 01:11

The idiosyncracies that appear to be bugging people recently seem to revolve around responsibilitiy issues, - whether it's taking responsibility for the ethical merchandising of his product, or taking responsibility for himself (in the interview), or responsibility for relationships with friends, kids, interviewers, fans...

Does not knowing about the UE problems make him less responsible, (if in fact he doesn't know)? Maybe it makes it less painful for us - if we believe he doesn't know.


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Posted: Aug. 26 2009, 06:56

Quote (wiga @ Aug. 26 2009, 06:11)
The idiosyncracies that appear to be bugging people recently seem to revolve around responsibilitiy issues, - whether it's taking responsibility for the ethical merchandising of his product, or taking responsibility for himself (in the interview), or responsibility for relationships with friends, kids, interviewers, fans...

Does not knowing about the UE problems make him less responsible, (if in fact he doesn't know)? Maybe it makes it less painful for us - if we believe he doesn't know.

Oh I think I see what you mean.
I haven't read the interviews in question apart from the various quotes that have been posted, but the overall impression is one of a man 'living in a bubble' is it not?

Random moaning about friends, kids, the media, the music industry etc etc, sadly DOES make him look a bit like an ungrateful whinger I think particularly as he has the sort of lifestyle that most of his fans can only dream about. But in the end it comes down to how we - the fans - expect him to be. Frankly it would be nice if he showed more interest in touring and actually 'getting out there' to engage with the audience but I don't think that's too likely these days. (More's the pity, as I'd LOVE to see him play live! )

I wouldn't expect him to frequent this site though, especially when some contributors are calling him a k**b on another thread. It can't be fun reading stuff like that even if it might be truthful. (I DON'T AGREE personally but neither do I really take issue with it  - everyone's entitled to their opinion and this is a discussion board after all. Having everyone hold hands and chant "I wuv you Mike" would get pretty stale after a while  ;) )  Thing is if he did spend a lot of time here two things would probably happen:

(1) the character of this forum would change, possibly becoming more sycophantic and obsessed with asking him questions
(2) a lot of fans might start thinking he's rather narcissistic for being so concerned about what we all think

That's not to say he can't find out about the UE problems of course by some method or other. A (very) brief visit here would do the trick, as would taking a greater interest in his PR/promo activities at Universal/Mercury. Neither of which look very likely TBH.  If he wants to be so very elusive and introverted with regard to his career, I guess that's his business. But then, by the same token, he shouldn't be moaning about not having any friends or getting annoyed about having to field presumably reasonable questions about his behaviour.


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Posted: Aug. 26 2009, 08:37

Every time I see the name "Tubular Trekkie" I think of ways Star Trek and Mr Oldfield's music could be combined. The best I can come up with would be in the announcing-instruments section of TB2: just after "Digital Sound Processor!" you could have "Hailing frequencies!". (I sometimes think that's all Uhura ever did - say "hailing frequencies open, Captain"!
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Quote (nightspore @ Aug. 26 2009, 13:37)
Every time I see the name "Tubular Trekkie" I think of ways Star Trek and Mr Oldfield's music could be combined. The best I can come up with would be in the announcing-instruments section of TB2: just after "Digital Sound Processor!" you could have "Hailing frequencies!". (I sometimes think that's all Uhura ever did - say "hailing frequencies open, Captain"!

:D I like it!  Yeah, we could have a new track modeled on The Bell but with key character catchphrases or sound effects being introduced instead of instruments. Why not? :cool:

Actually, it would be my dream to have a Mike Oldfield Star Trek concept album, or failing that have Mike compose and produce the soundtrack for the next Trek film (XII or II, depending on your POV).  Admittedly both ideas are about as likely as DeForest Kelley making a comeback as McCoy  :laugh:  (Good job we have Karl Urban instead.)


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