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The Big BellEnd Group: Members Posts: 971 Joined: Jan. 2004 Posted: Oct. 26 2010, 16:33 I'm not sure if I put this on before but what the hey, Feed my Halloween. Stanley Kubrik v Alice Cooper v Danny Elfman mashup. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utU8PWxq3NI -------------- I, ON THE OTHER HAND. AM A VICTIM OF YOUR CARNIVOUROUS LUNAR ACTIVITY. Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Oct. 26 2010, 18:37 Sorry, BigBellEnd, I cannot contribute to this because you chose the worst Kubrick film EVER IMHO. Totally disrespectful of the original Stephen King story, and just pure horror-for-horror's sake. Absolutely hate it. Sorry. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4770 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: Oct. 26 2010, 21:23 Quote (Ugo @ Oct. 26 2010, 18:37) Sorry, BigBellEnd, I cannot contribute to this because you chose the worst Kubrick film EVER IMHO. Totally disrespectful of the original Stephen King story, and just pure horror-for-horror's sake. Absolutely hate it. Sorry. Are you referring to The Shining? I found the film over-long and dull, actually. (But then I find Clockwork Orange a downhill slide after the magnificent first ten minutes.) The main problem with The Shining is the story itself; I'm sure there's a lesser-known story out there that's virtually identical. But I can't remember what it is. Back to top

Olivier Group: Super Admins Posts: 1868 Joined: Nov. 1999 Posted: Oct. 26 2010, 23:05 To me 2001 feels longer and I'd even say creepier - creepier in a non entertaining way. The story is similar actually: remote location, Nicholson/HAL malfunctions. Someone should have the guts to do a 2001 remake, in the spirit of Tubular Bells II. Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4770 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: Oct. 27 2010, 00:30 Quote (Olivier @ Oct. 26 2010, 23:05) To me 2001 feels longer and I'd even say creepier - creepier in a non entertaining way. The story is similar actually: remote location, Nicholson/HAL malfunctions. Someone should have the guts to do a 2001 remake, in the spirit of Tubular Bells II. I don't have a high opinion of the 2001 book or film, actually (although the film is nice to look at). Everything in both book and film is subordinated to one thing - the idea that human beings are not the final stage in evolution. There's nothing else. Films and books should be three-dimensional lived experiences, not one dimensional puzzles waiting to be deciphered. If it weren't for the brilliant opening of Clockwork Orange, which I think is among cinema's greatest achievements, I'd say Kubrick is wildly overrated. Back to top

Olivier Group: Super Admins Posts: 1868 Joined: Nov. 1999 Posted: Oct. 27 2010, 02:22 I think there are 2 things in 2001: the boring evolution thing at the beginning and the end and the cool "I'm sorry Dave I'm afraid I can't do that" part in the middle with the computer getting evil. I really love his military caricatures, Dr Strangelove and Full Metal Jacket 1st half. He kind of mixes ridiculousness with intensity, drama. I think it's pretty unique (I don't watch a lot of movies though). I think you can't make a funny remake of Full Metal Jacket, its' already caricatured to the max, it feels ultimate in a way. Kind of remind me of TB3, Mike wrote "crazy perfect" on it, it has this intensity, this "ultimate work" feeling. Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4770 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: Oct. 27 2010, 03:09 I haven't seen Full Metal Jacket, and I didn't enjoy Dr Strangelove. But then, I hate so-called black comedy. Black comedy is usually a copout for artists who are scared of being serious. Admittedly, it's hard for artists to be serious nowadays, when all the old certainties (eg God) are either being questioned or dismissed as nonsense. Back to top

The Big BellEnd Group: Members Posts: 971 Joined: Jan. 2004 Posted: Oct. 27 2010, 10:03 Of course it would be very hard to be respectful to most Stephen King novel's. As is said in Christine the movie, 'you can't polish a turd'. -------------- I, ON THE OTHER HAND. AM A VICTIM OF YOUR CARNIVOUROUS LUNAR ACTIVITY. Back to top

Sir Mustapha Group: Musicians Posts: 2802 Joined: April 2003 Posted: Oct. 27 2010, 10:33 I'm curious about one thing: is The Mist a good example of a film that's respectful to the respective Stephen King novel? I despised that film so much that even my intestines were twitching, and I want to know if I should direct my hatred at Stephen King or at Frank Darabont. The Shining is brilliant. I can't see how it is an example of "horror for horror sake". It is true that a horror film can be a lot, lot more than a "simple horror film" (as demonstrated by George A. Romero, especially in Dawn of the Dead, one of my favourite films of all time), but I don't see how The Shining can be put alongside, say, Saw as "horror for horror's sake". I think, when it comes to Kubrick, genres don't matter: a Kubrick film is simply a Kubrick film, that's all. And I truly learnt to apreciate him when I started to learn to WATCH films (I still had a lot of trouble going through La Dolce Vita, though -- not enough stamina). If you really want to dissect stories hard enough, you may realise that there are only about 2 or 3 different stories in the whole world. Cinema isn't about "stories", as much as music isn't about "instruments". Cinema is the art of making moving images speak; and when you do that well, the story is just an added bonus. -------------- Check out http://ferniecanto.com.br for all my music, including my latest albums: Don't Stay in the City, Making Amends and Builders of Worlds. Also check my Bandcamp page: http://ferniecanto.bandcamp.com Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4770 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: Oct. 27 2010, 11:12 The trouble is, as soon as you use the word "horror", whether applied to books or films, you're stressing an emotional rather than an intellectual reaction. I'm extremely hard to please with films. The following are films I really like: "Blow Up" - Antonioni. "Citizen Kane" - Welles. "Celine and Julie Go Boating" - Rivette. "Out 1: Spectre" - Rivette. "Last Year at Marienbad" - Resnais. I'm particularly fond of French cinema. Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4770 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: Oct. 27 2010, 11:16 Quote (The Big BellEnd @ Oct. 27 2010, 10:03) Of course it would be very hard to be respectful to most Stephen King novel's. As is said in Christine the movie, 'you can't polish a turd'. Yes. I was left scratching my head as to why Kubrick would even consider adapting something by Stephen King. The only explanation I could come up with was that he thought he could do for the horror genre what he had done for science fiction. Lord knows what would have happened if he'd realised that Westerns are a genre as well. Back to top

Scatterplot Group: Members Posts: 1981 Joined: Dec. 2007 Posted: Oct. 27 2010, 12:48 That was very cool. Jack Nicholson meets the Coop. Would like to have seen them together in a flick. The Coop did act on occasion in B grade flicks. The 1979 Kubrick Shining is a masterpiece, always was, always will be. The Mist....Tom Jane walked out on the Punisher 2 to play the lead role in The Mist and it was fandamtastic(love him in HBO's "Hung" male prostitute series). There was a 2 part TV remake of The Shining with Steven Weber as the father. It was more in keeping with the novel. I couldn't stand the kid who replaced "Danny" tho. But nevertheless, a fine work. Sorry tho, "The Mist" is excellent IMO. Thomas Jane made a fine performance. -------------- We raise our voices in the night Crying to heaven And will our voices be heard Or will they break Like the wind Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Oct. 27 2010, 18:06 @ Sir M.: of course it's just a matter of personal opinion. I personally think that Kubrick reached his best with A Clockwork Orange (although I agree that it all keeps sliding down after its first part), 2001 and Full Metal Jacket, which to me is his ultimate masterpiece, but I also think that he reached his worst with The Shining. When I talk about horror for horror's sake, I mean cheap horror - scary scenes which are there just to scare you and which are totally unjustified by the main plot or even by the source story (to which, I repeat, Kubrick was extremely unfaithful). Of course Saw and Paranormal Activity and The Ring and all other contemporary horror pics have lots and lots of such scenes, but there are some in The Shining as well, and that's why I don't like it - just as I don't like any of the movies I mentioned above. The original King novel is much scarier than the film, and much better. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

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