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Posted: Feb. 04 2012, 16:48

This is a sarabande composed by Handel, used in Stanley Kubrick's Barry Lyndon (but I do it more in a Clockwork Orange style, if you can call that a style) and Brian De Palma's Redacted soundtracks. This was dance music 300 years ago from what I understand. Doing it over and over since 2 days and can't seem to avoid mistakes for 3 minutes. It's driving me nuts, I think I will reincarnate into a parrot, or a squirrel.

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Posted: Feb. 04 2012, 17:52

I love this piece of music. First time I heard it was on an album by Sky many many years ago.

Yours is a great version!

Cheers,
Terry.


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Posted: Feb. 04 2012, 19:24

I've heard lots and lots and lots and lots of versions of this piece (including a rock/hip-hop arrangement by John Altman for a Levi's ad) and yours holds on its feet very well with all the others. Congrats. :cool: You've also chosen some great sounds... very Wendy Carlos-ish, and yes, very Clockwork Orange-ish, although the final organ passage sounds to me more like a Shining thing or a Goblin/Dario Argento thing - in a word, something that goes aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaggggghhhhhhhhh!!!! - meant as cinematic horror.  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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Posted: Feb. 06 2012, 13:54

You also cheated in another way by having Leonard Rosenman orchestrate Handel's Sarabande in a more dramatic style than you would find in eighteenth-century composition.

Kubrick: This arose from another problem about eighteenth-century music -- it isn't very dramatic, either. I first came across the Handel theme played on a guitar and, strangely enough, it made me think of Ennio Morricone. I think it worked very well in the film, and the very simple orchestration kept it from sounding out of place.


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Posted: Feb. 09 2012, 19:20

@ Olivier: is the one above the Barry Lyndon version? [I never saw the movie - don't like it.] It sounds very similar to the John Altman/Levi's ad arrangement - now I know where did Altman steal his version from! :D The original version (I mean Händel's original) has always sounded more melancholic than dramatic to me, but it's obvious that the heavier you do it, the more dramatic it gets. :D

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Posted: Feb. 09 2012, 22:04

Yes, it's the Barry Lyndon's version. Kubrick explains in the interview that 18th century music was not dramatic enough (I think it was still dance music though, how can dance music be melancholic? Plus it's a piece for keyboard, meaning harpsichord at the time, and I find it's a rather dramatic instrument). The arranger also worked on Star Trek 5 [never saw the movies - don't like it, my turn], Robocop 2, etc.
It must be interesting and humbling to have a director comes to you and ask "make me a dramatic arrangement of this". Like "you won't be able to compose anything better anyway". This guy is not a major film composer I guess. I guess a major one would probably have too much self esteem. I really love his arrangement.

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Posted: Feb. 10 2012, 07:54

I suppose you all have noticed that Mike added this Sarabande to his version of Woman of Ireland in Voyager...
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Posted: Feb. 10 2012, 17:46

@ Nacho: of course he did. Both pieces (the one that Women of Ireland is taken from, and the Sarabande) are in barry Lyndon, and that's where Mike took his inspiration from. :)

@ Olivier: as far as I know, the Sarabande was a very slow, stately and somber dance - a royal court thing. :) I guess not all dances are jolly and happy... the slow waltz (or English waltz) is a standard dance, a formal dancefloor step, and most pieces with a slow waltz rhythm are very romantic with hints of melancholy. ;)
Regarding what you said about Leonard Rosenman, well, he certainly wasn't (and isn't) a distinguished film composer... if he was, he would've had an entirely different reaction. Some time ago Ennio Morricone told an anecdote about Sergio Leone. He was talking to Morricone about some musical ideas that he (Leone) had for Once Upon a Time in America and said to Morricone: "OK, I have this lovely piece by Tchaikovsky which I'd really like you to arrange for me". Morricone reportedly blew a rapsperry in his face and told him: "Sergio, simply because of the fact that I am Ennio Morricone, I do Ennio Morricone's music and no-one else's. If you wanted somebody else's music, you wouldn't have called me." That shut Leone up. :cool:


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Posted: Feb. 10 2012, 18:12

So presumably Leone had to channel Tchaikovsky instead!

I haven't seen Barry Lyndon, as I was put off by the bad reviews it received at the time. I understand though that critics have changed their minds and now think BL is one of his Kubrick's best films!
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Posted: Feb. 10 2012, 18:42

@Ugo: nice!  I have Barry Lyndon Blu Ray, but I haven't seen the film yet,... maybe this cold weekend...
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Posted: Feb. 11 2012, 15:24

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I haven't seen Barry Lyndon, as I was put off by the bad reviews it received at the time. I understand though that critics have changed their minds and now think BL is one of his Kubrick's best films!


I would definitely recommend Barry Lyndon. It's one of the few period films that I deem unpretentious. I like how Barry Lyndon does not try to romanticize it's era like most period films do.

Besides, it's filming is drop dead gorgeous.  

I've just seen Tarkovsky's The Mirror, which is splendid. I know this is completely irrelevant, but it's really good.  :)


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