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Guest Unregistered Posted: June 30 2009, 08:13 to play live?? I'm not talking about the works which needs a big set up (TB, Amarok and such) but a composed number which is impossible to play because of,  for example, technical difficulties, or speed of some of the instruments played or something complete different?? In case, which number(s) and why is it impossible?? Cheers Back to top

Scatterplot Group: Members Posts: 1981 Joined: Dec. 2007 Posted: June 30 2009, 10:44 I can't think of a single one. I think a musician of that calibre could find some arrangement for any song of his and make it work. -------------- We raise our voices in the night Crying to heaven And will our voices be heard Or will they break Like the wind Back to top

Scatterplot Group: Members Posts: 1981 Joined: Dec. 2007 Posted: June 30 2009, 10:46 Live I mean. Maybe shortened, simplified, but do-able for MO. Maybe not every musician. -------------- We raise our voices in the night Crying to heaven And will our voices be heard Or will they break Like the wind Back to top

larstangmark Group: Members Posts: 1767 Joined: Mar. 2005 Posted: June 30 2009, 16:44 Sorry to go kind of off-topic, but the Deep Purple track Rat Bat Blue springs to mind. I listened to it just recently for the first time in years and suddenly realized that there's a keyboard passage obviously recorded at half-speed that would be very difficult to pull off live. And it appears it wasn't played live either so... -------------- "There are twelve people in the world, the rest are paste" Mark E Smith Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: June 30 2009, 16:56 With today's technology innovations (samplers, workstations, sequencers etc.), all of which usually work perfectly in a live concert situation,  I don't think any piece, by anyone, is actually impossible to play live. 30+ years ago, Pink Floyd would have never dreamed of playing "Echoes" live, indeed they only did once (and they broke it in two parts). In 2006, David Gilmour and his band (including Rick Wright, of course) performed the whole of "Echoes" during every single gig of his world tour. So it isn't really impossible to play live, is it? I think that even Amarok could be performed live - if Mike could get the eight best guitarists in the world (and I'm not just talking about shredders à la Michael Angelo Batio... I'm talking about true virtuosos), an eighty-piece choir and the whole of Jabula (which as far as I know don't exist any more), he could very well put a stellar live performance of the piece. But I'm afraid this will remain a wet dream for many, many years to come. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

larstangmark Group: Members Posts: 1767 Joined: Mar. 2005 Posted: June 30 2009, 17:08 Quote (Ugo @ June 30 2009, 16:56) With today's technology innovations (samplers, workstations, sequencers etc.), all of which usually work perfectly in a live concert situation,  I don't think any piece, by anyone, is actually impossible to play live. 30+ years ago, Pink Floyd would have never dreamed of playing "Echoes" live, indeed they only did once (and they broke it in two parts). In 2006, David Gilmour and his band (including Rick Wright, of course) performed the whole of "Echoes" during every single gig of his world tour. So it isn't really impossible to play live, is it? I think that even Amarok could be performed live - if Mike could get the eight best guitarists in the world (and I'm not just talking about shredders à la Michael Angelo Batio... I'm talking about true virtuosos), an eighty-piece choir and the whole of Jabula (which as far as I know don't exist any more), he could very well put a stellar live performance of the piece. But I'm afraid this will remain a wet dream for many, many years to come. Sorry again for going off-topic, but Echoes was played live many times in the 70s. I have a bootleg where they perform the whole thing as "looking through the knotholes in granny's wooden leg".   Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered In a Cave and Grooving With a Pict was never performed live though, as it consisted mostly of tape loops. -------------- "There are twelve people in the world, the rest are paste" Mark E Smith Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: June 30 2009, 18:12 @ larstangmark: I must admit I'm not very prepared about the life, death and miracles (as we say in Italy) of Pink Floyd... although I love them, I can't be expected to know everything about their live performances. I was just thinking about the pseudo-live performance ("pseudo" meaning that there was no audience) on the Live at Pompeii DVD, where we don't get the Leslie piano part (which we do get in Gilmour's 2006 performances) and where the song is broken in two. A piece I'm rather sure that PF never did live is "Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast". They wouldn't have much to do, there. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

Herod Group: Members Posts: 85 Joined: Jan. 2004 Posted: June 30 2009, 18:29 Quote (Ugo @ June 30 2009, 18:12) A piece I'm rather sure that PF never did live is "Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast". They wouldn't have much to do, there. Well...they did that too   , and in a very theatrical way: during the 'noise' parts they had roadies serving them tea on stage...;) -------------- The last 80 seconds of 'Amarok' are one of the reasons for being happy to live in this planet. Back to top

Sir Mustapha Group: Musicians Posts: 2802 Joined: April 2003 Posted: June 30 2009, 18:57 Quote (Ugo @ June 30 2009, 18:12) I must admit I'm not very prepared about the life, death and miracles (as we say in Italy) of Pink Floyd... I think "miracles" is a very apt term, when it comes to Pink Floyd. But your point is right. I mean, in extreme cases we have Ween, who used to play their songs live as a duo, and with all backing tracks played on DAT tapes. A cheat, perhaps, but understandable. -------------- Check out http://ferniecanto.com.br for all my music, including my latest albums: Don't Stay in the City, Making Amends and Builders of Worlds. Also check my Bandcamp page: http://ferniecanto.bandcamp.com Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4770 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: June 30 2009, 19:33 Quote (Ugo @ June 30 2009, 18:12) A piece I'm rather sure that PF never did live is "Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast". They wouldn't have much to do, there. They didn't, but only because they didn't like it. However, they played a similar, improvised piece that pleased them much more. Back to top

The Caveman Group: Members Posts: 2178 Joined: Jan. 2008 Posted: July 01 2009, 05:52 Would that be the infamous 'sawing bits of wood on stage'etc thing.I so love Floyd but pretentious or what!  Way off tpic y'all   -------------- THE COMING OF THE GREAT WHITE HANDKERCHEIF IS NIGH. Back to top

larstangmark Group: Members Posts: 1767 Joined: Mar. 2005 Posted: July 01 2009, 06:54 Quote (The Caveman @ July 01 2009, 05:52) Would that be the infamous 'sawing bits of wood on stage'etc thing.I so love Floyd but pretentious or what!  Way off tpic y'all   :laugh: That was during "the man and the journey" live shows in 1969. They also did a bit of carpentry (a table!) as part of the Games for May show in 1967. Actually, I think making a table is much more exciting than playing your greatest hits supported by 2 billion rotating spotlights. Which is what they eventually ended up doing... I read somewhere that they actually did Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast live just once, shortly after Atom Heart Mother was released. But they dropped it because - surprisingly - it didn't go to well with the audience. The track was filler material for the album and the band realized too late that it wasn't up to their ususal standard. I think it's a nice little jam of the kind they used to for soundtracks in the late 60s. Bizarre effect on the drums in the final part though. -------------- "There are twelve people in the world, the rest are paste" Mark E Smith Back to top

The Caveman Group: Members Posts: 2178 Joined: Jan. 2008 Posted: July 01 2009, 09:44 Going back on topic kind of, i can't think of anything Mike's ever done that cannot be played or at least approximated live.Maybe the 1984 guitars at the start or Ommadawn part two but if they have technology to make people who obviously cannot sing a note (stand up Britney) sound good then i'm sure the technology exists to do a pretty fair job of getting an approximate,near as dammit,job of it. -------------- THE COMING OF THE GREAT WHITE HANDKERCHEIF IS NIGH. Back to top

ex member 892 Group: Members Posts: 827 Joined: July 2008 Posted: July 26 2009, 14:38 Quote I read somewhere that they actually did Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast live just once, shortly after Atom Heart Mother was released. But they dropped it because - surprisingly - it didn't go to well with the audience. According to the book Saucerful of Secrets: The Pink Floyd Odyssey (which admittedly has some stuff of questionable accuracy): "'Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast'... even served as the opening number for several Floyd concerts, enabling front-row fans actually to smell Alan's bacon and eggs." ... Sorry I just had to throw that in. Back to top

The Caveman Group: Members Posts: 2178 Joined: Jan. 2008 Posted: July 27 2009, 09:08 That'd be real bugger for the audience since a fair proportion where probably rather hungry for some reason and the smell of cooking bacon and eggs must have been sheer bloody torture!  I used to live in a shared house and every sunday morning one of the guys used to cook bacon.My room was above the kitchen.Even though i had been vegetarian for several years by then (i still am)the smell used to drive me nuts.  Add that to munchies and i'm surprised half the audience weren't on stage sharing Alan's brekkie with him! -------------- THE COMING OF THE GREAT WHITE HANDKERCHEIF IS NIGH. Back to top

ex member 419 Group: Members Posts: 1177 Joined: April 2008 Posted: July 29 2009, 01:16 I reckon Mike could do any version of his works live, with the right guitarists, technology, sequencers and samplers...and remember this...and the digital sound processor! from TB2. Whew things have advanced so fast eh, I can't keep up. i bet Mike is like a kid in a candy shop playing with all the new technologies at his disposal now. Would love to hear a new version of Incantations live (acoustic). Deb Back to top

Guest Unregistered Posted: July 29 2009, 03:09 Quote (The Caveman @ July 27 2009, 15:08) My room was above the kitchen.Even though i had been vegetarian for several years by then (i still am)the smell used to drive me nuts.   I feel very sorry for you no smokes and only eggplant for dinner....if you give up sex too, there is no reason to live anymore   Eggplants always taste like......well eggplants..   but red meat reminds one of murder and murder tastes pretty darn good       (Denis Leary) No smokes, no drinks, no drugs, no meat, no sex, no life     (Disclaimer: sorry Caveman, I'm not picking on you or your lifestyle, just trying to be funny)   Back to top

The Caveman Group: Members Posts: 2178 Joined: Jan. 2008 Posted: July 29 2009, 04:36 Well i drink a little now(although after the after show party from the gig i did on saturday i may jack it in again.......ooooh god did i feel rough)and i haven't given up all smoking,just cigarettes.Man's got to have a little fun! -------------- THE COMING OF THE GREAT WHITE HANDKERCHEIF IS NIGH. Back to top

Sir Mustapha Group: Musicians Posts: 2802 Joined: April 2003 Posted: July 30 2009, 09:59 I hope keeping aside the smokes and the drugs (well, not counting alcohol and caffeine) don't exclude me from living. I can't stand the smell of tobacco, and I'm already lightheaded and trippy by my own nature. But yeah, I like to keep the juicy food, the alcohol and the lady of my life right next to me (especially the three of them at the same time). What was the topic again? -------------- Check out http://ferniecanto.com.br for all my music, including my latest albums: Don't Stay in the City, Making Amends and Builders of Worlds. Also check my Bandcamp page: http://ferniecanto.bandcamp.com Back to top

The Caveman Group: Members Posts: 2178 Joined: Jan. 2008 Posted: July 30 2009, 10:10 I'm not all that bad.Just think of verse one of On Horseback minus the horse! -------------- THE COMING OF THE GREAT WHITE HANDKERCHEIF IS NIGH. Back to top

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