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Tansy Group: Members Posts: 416 Joined: April 2005 Posted: Jan. 18 2006, 05:31 Quite often some really nice music drifts into/from my imagination,but perhaps part of the sounds might come from subconcious and be from existing music heard before,even if not recognised at the time. Has anyone else thought this? and suppose you record something,then discover that you've unknowingly taken part of what's not yours(so to speak). Just wondering how musicians view this, at times when listening to an original peice of work,familiar sequence of notes can be heard which remind of another composition eg: in "Rocky" from L+S album which made me think of "Eidelweiss"   Back to top

stevenmd779 Group: Members Posts: 248 Joined: Aug. 2005 Posted: Jan. 18 2006, 07:18 Well, I never try to think of things in my head, but when I do they almost always sound either familiar or just straight up bad. I've had trouble with recording things, and later realizing that I've heard something like it before. Like Earthquakin' 2 sounds alot like Jumping Jack Flash by the Rolling Stones. -------------- "A people who would sacrifice liberty for security will lose both, and deserve neither." Ben Franklin Boogs is fo' da chode man. Back to top

hiawatha Group: Members Posts: 2391 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: Jan. 18 2006, 09:00 Quote (stevenmd779 @ Jan. 18 2006, 07:18) Like Earthquakin' 2 sounds alot like Jumping Jack Flash by the Rolling Stones. Is that something you made, or a reference to "Earth Moving" ? -------------- "In the land of the Dacotahs, Where the Falls of Minnehaha Flash and gleam among the oak-trees, Laugh and leap into the valley." - Song of Hiawatha Back to top

stevenmd779 Group: Members Posts: 248 Joined: Aug. 2005 Posted: Jan. 18 2006, 09:02 Quote Is that something you made, or a reference to "Earth Moving" ? It's actually a track that I made. -------------- "A people who would sacrifice liberty for security will lose both, and deserve neither." Ben Franklin Boogs is fo' da chode man. Back to top

Tansy Group: Members Posts: 416 Joined: April 2005 Posted: Jan. 19 2006, 08:07 Quote (stevenmd779 @ Jan. 18 2006, 09:02) Quote Is that something you made, or a reference to "Earth Moving" ? It's actually a track that I made. Any chance of hearing it? Back to top

jonnyw Group: Members Posts: 522 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Jan. 19 2006, 10:16 I tend to make music and find that i get frustrated and end up scrapping it, then going back and finding out that its already been done, the worst thing ever is when you make a piece youre really proud of, then when you let someone hear it, they say that it sounds like something else! its horrible but hey its great if you make something unique!! before i got hold of crises i had a peice that sounded similar to "the watcher and the tower" bit in the title track. (not to try to sound like im as good as mike! it sounded crap anyway, it merely followed the chord progression.)   Quote Any chance of hearing it? yess let us hear!!!!!!! im interested! -------------- Grand piano. Reed and pipe organ. Glockenspeil. Bass guitar. Vocal chords. Two slightly sampled electric guitars. The venitian effect. Digital sound processor. And Tubular bells. Solo music - http://-terrapin-.bebo.com Band music - http://www.rsimusic.com Back to top

Korgscrew Group: Super Admins Posts: 3511 Joined: Dec. 1999 Posted: Jan. 19 2006, 12:11 I don't think it's ever possible to create a sequence of notes which doesn't share something in common with someone else's. The more notes you have in the entire piece though, the less likely it is to be identical to something which someone else has done before. When additional parts are then added alongside that single line, the chances ofsimilarity then decrease once again. Still, it does happen that things turn out to be uncannily similar to something else. Sometimes that's cause to scrap it (it wouldn't be terribly sensible to try using it commercially if it seems close enough that lawyers might start seeing dollar signs, for example), and other times it's possible to just shrug and say "Oh well, I like it anyway". Back to top

stevenmd779 Group: Members Posts: 248 Joined: Aug. 2005 Posted: Jan. 19 2006, 12:49 There's the Earthquakin 2. I think the chorus sounds alot like Jumping Jack Flash, but didn't realize it until I heard it.Earthquakin' 2 -------------- "A people who would sacrifice liberty for security will lose both, and deserve neither." Ben Franklin Boogs is fo' da chode man. Back to top

jonnyw Group: Members Posts: 522 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Jan. 20 2006, 08:10 Quote Sometimes that's cause to scrap it I tend to scrap a lot of my music anyway, i get very frustrated when i cant create what i want- having said that, it means that i get much more satisfaction and relief when i create something im remotely happy with. -------------- Grand piano. Reed and pipe organ. Glockenspeil. Bass guitar. Vocal chords. Two slightly sampled electric guitars. The venitian effect. Digital sound processor. And Tubular bells. Solo music - http://-terrapin-.bebo.com Band music - http://www.rsimusic.com Back to top

Guest Unregistered Posted: Jan. 20 2006, 20:59 Quote (Groovy Granny @ Jan. 18 2006, 15:31) Quite often some really nice music drifts into/from my imagination,but perhaps part of the sounds might come from subconcious and be from existing music heard before,even if not recognised at the time. I think the term for this is "cryptomnesia" - you recall it, but don't recall where it came from and, naturally enough, take it to be an original idea.  Probably happens all the time.  Another example from L+S is the intro-proper to Tears of an Angel where Bruce Springsteen's "Philadelphia" comes immediately to mind and this has been commented on in some of the reviews I've seen - possibly all of them...I don't remember   Rocky (0:0:26 to 0:0:32) also reminds me of a tune from Shrek 1. Frustrating for producers, to be sure.  Where it becomes more interesting to me is in answering two questions that might arise from a grievance over the originality of a piece of music:  at what point does a musician feel strongly enough to take action against a perceived copier and how is that action resolved?  There you have all the dynamics of human behaviour (motivation, negotiation etc) which may not be sufficiently consistent for a musician to feel confident in releasing her work to an audience. I'm thinking more along the lines of commercial releases where there may be a strong motivation to legally protect works.  But I suspect your thoughts are more to do with a musician's reaction to discovering that the time and effort put into producing something thought to be original was in fact just to re-present someone else's work in a somewhat modified form.  "Bugger!  I thought I was being creative, when in fact I was not.  Plus I feel like a goose for not seeing it at the time!  Am I creative at all??  I'm not so sure now..." I see no way around it.  The new can't come unless the old is cleared away, so anyone interested in creativity needs to find out whether that can happen.  I think you've raised a very important issue here. Back to top

Tansy Group: Members Posts: 416 Joined: April 2005 Posted: Jan. 22 2006, 06:33 @Andrew H - Yes,Iwas thinking along the lines of putting in a lot of effort only to then discover that it's all not as original .... At some stage I would really like to record something - best way is to just "go for it" I suppose. Might be surprised to find out it is my own original after all,and that self doubt set in because of lack of confidence that perhaps what enters my mind couldn't be me .Highly self critical & bit too much of a perfectionist . Back to top

Guest Unregistered Posted: Jan. 23 2006, 04:40 Quote (Groovy Granny @ Jan. 22 2006, 16:33) At some stage I would really like to record something - best way is to just "go for it" I suppose. Might be surprised to find out it is my own original after all,and that self doubt set in because of lack of confidence that perhaps what enters my mind couldn't be me .Highly self critical & bit too much of a perfectionist . Yes - go for it!  And (if I may be so bold as to suggest) should you find yourself making nothing but cover versions, have fun doing *that* as best you can.  Who knows?  Maybe doing that will clear out the old stuff, the new will come naturally and effortlessly, plus you've picked up some skills and knowledge.  Perfectionism can be an obstacle - I'm well-experienced in that area and I can certainly sympathise with some of jonnyw's remarks - but it's really only as much an obstacle as I let it be.  It's all for fun. Like yourself, I've often felt like having a go at recording something.  So I am!  At Christmas, I downloaded a copy of FL Studio 6 and started working out how to use it.  There's a demo version if you wanted to try it (www.flstudio.com).  I just jumped in with Fruity Loops after reading about the production of Light + Shade, so I wanted to see what it was about.  Experienced forum members might recommend better packages for beginners. Back to top

Tansy Group: Members Posts: 416 Joined: April 2005 Posted: Jan. 23 2006, 13:48 @Andrew H   Thanks a lot for posting details of F L Studio. I knew of the demo for this a while ago ,eagerly downloaded ,sat and thought WOW!,began to explore some of it then unfortunately,daily life being as it is found that there was no real peace to be had to really get stuck in  Original plan had been to try out the demo & then move on to purchase the basic. All then had to be left on the back burner until just recently,heard details of an up & coming course for adult learning being held at a local college.I'ts for CUBASE but will start me off hopefully. Good luck with your recording hope it ends up sounding like nothing else ( meant in a complimentary sense of course) Back to top

Navaira Group: Members Posts: 481 Joined: Jan. 2005 Posted: Feb. 05 2006, 16:21 I once did a melody for my instrumental album that I was very proud of. Once it was finished, I got a strange feeling I've heard it before... Do you perhaps know "Lemuria" by Therion? I think they've ripped off a folk song there and I re-created that folk song they've ripped off -- so my melody isn't identical, but somehow it sounds very familiar and it sort of nails the irritating feeling of familiarity I have when listening to "Lemuria". And I really REALLY hate it when I do a song that I think is groundbreakingly original, then I play it to friends and they go "oh, this just sounds like Blah Blah by The Someones". It's especially irritating if I never heard of the "original" song before. -------------- http://www.raygrant.com :: My album 'Exorcism' is out on iTunes now Back to top

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