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ekloef Group: Members Posts: 122 Joined: April 2004 Posted: May 26 2004, 14:15 Hello! If you were in total control over a Mike Oldfield CD re-releases, how would that look? Bonus tracks? Artwork? Liner notes? Extras? Demos? Live version? Mike did include the demos for Tubular Bells on Tubular Bells 2003 DVD-A and that made me start thinking of other albums with that little extra. The YES reissues from Rhino for example are CDs filled with extra tracks and cool stuff, could you imagine if Virgin would have done the same with the HDCD reissues? EXAMPLES Tubular Bells 1973 Bonus tracks: The original demos and the live premiere? Platinum 1979 Extras: Sally (Of course...) If you could pick an album and package it and include anything you wanted post a replay and tell us? Ekloef, Sweden -------------- https://www.instagram.com/robtch/ Back to top

Sir Mustapha Group: Musicians Posts: 2802 Joined: April 2003 Posted: May 26 2004, 15:50 That's a good topic. At the moment, I don't have enough time to think about it, but yes, it would be nice to think about extras. If anything, each album should contain singles and B-sides from its era. For example, Tubular Bells would bring things like 'Froggy Went A-Courting", and Ommadawn would have "In Dulci Jubilo" and "Pipe Tune", perhaps? Crises would have "Crime Of Passion" and "In The Pool" and extended versions of "Moonlight Shadow" and "Shadow On The Wall", and Discovery would definitely bring goodies like "Pictures In The Dark", along with an extended "To France". Another idea is to gather all these singles and B-sides and miscellaneous into a compilation. I still need to think of a nifty playlist, though. It is indeed frustrating that there was no effort to gather these assorted tracks as bonuses. They would definitely be very welcome. -------------- Check out http://ferniecanto.com.br for all my music, including my latest albums: Don't Stay in the City, Making Amends and Builders of Worlds. Also check my Bandcamp page: http://ferniecanto.bandcamp.com Back to top

ekloef Group: Members Posts: 122 Joined: April 2004 Posted: May 26 2004, 16:11 Sir Mustapha! Thanks for your reply! You came with some interesting ideas there. -------------- https://www.instagram.com/robtch/ Back to top

Holger Group: Members Posts: 1506 Joined: Feb. 2003 Posted: May 26 2004, 17:49 Quote (Sir Mustapha @ May 26 2004, 15:50) If anything, each album should contain singles and B-sides from its era. For example, Tubular Bells would bring things like 'Froggy Went A-Courting", and Ommadawn would have "In Dulci Jubilo" and "Pipe Tune", perhaps? [...] Another idea is to gather all these singles and B-sides and miscellaneous into a compilation. Either of these possibilities would definitely be the way to go. I tend towards the latter; a proper collection of all the rare material from the Virgin era would be the thing if you know what I mean Strange they don't do it, come to think of it, I guess there would be enough buyers for it to pay off. However, if one was to go with your first suggestion, then Pipe Tune would definitely, absolutely need to go on Incantations - if there's any space left on the disc, that is... (probably not, seeing as how the early CDs of Inc had a piece cut out...) Back to top

olracUK Group: Members Posts: 1683 Joined: June 2003 Posted: May 26 2004, 20:24 The problem is with the record companies, they have no interest in Mike. Sucked him dry, then forgotten him. I feel he would actually be beetter off with either his own label, or a small independant who would fight to get licences to his old stuff. My choice for re-issues would be 2 or 3 b-sides/single only tracks, plus some dvd video extras -------------- The answer is 42 - but what is the question? Back to top

raven4x4x Group: Members Posts: 1535 Joined: Jan. 2002 Posted: May 27 2004, 05:38 If I were re-issuing albums I would like to try and have Mike be involved in writing some of the liner notes, prehaps talking about the making of the album and some history behind it. Including some B-Sides and other rare tracks and things would be a great idea: Songs of Distant Earth could have Song of the Boat Men, Indian Lake etc. You could include all the extended versions of songs like Moonlight Shadow, Heaven's Open, the instrumental Tricks of the Light and heaps and heaps of other B-sides like the ones from Boxed. I'd certainly like to hear some outtakes from Amarok or Music from the Balcony! There is just so much stuff to include, and then you could start on the live performances. Wow. -------------- Thank-you for helping us help you help us all. Back to top

familyjules Group: Members Posts: 1190 Joined: May 2004 Posted: May 27 2004, 06:09 Here's some suggestions for bonus cuts for the early albums: Tubular Bells plus... 3. Froggy Went A-Courting 4. The Mike Oldfield Single (Tubular Bells extract) 5. Sailor's Hornpipe (original version) Hergest Ridge plus... 3. extract from Star's End (with David Bedford) 4. Don Alfonso (long version) 5. In Dulci Jubilo (for Maureen) 6. Speak (Though You Only Say Farewell) Ommadawn plus... 3. In Dulci Jubilo 4. The Rio Grande (with David Bedford) 5. extract from Ommadawn (single) 6. Portsmouth 7. William Tell Overture 8. Argiers Incantations plus... Disc 2 1. First Excursion 2. Phaecian Games (with David Bedford) 3. Vivaldi Concerto in 'C' 4. Cuckoo Song 5. Pipe Tune 6. Wrekorder Wrondo 7. Instructions For Angels (with David Bedford) 8. Guilty 9. extract from Incantations (single) 10. Guilty (12" version) Jules -------------- I like beer and I like cheese Back to top

Holger Group: Members Posts: 1506 Joined: Feb. 2003 Posted: May 27 2004, 06:36 Sorry to oppose again, but Guilty needs to go on Platinum   Back to top

ekloef Group: Members Posts: 122 Joined: April 2004 Posted: May 27 2004, 06:38 Thank you all! It is great to all read all the replies and it is really nice to see how much effort you have put into this topic. I have thought of "converting" this info / whishes into a little webpage later on. How does that sound? Keep em comng! Ekloef, Sweden -------------- https://www.instagram.com/robtch/ Back to top

familyjules Group: Members Posts: 1190 Joined: May 2004 Posted: May 27 2004, 06:46 Quote (Holger @ May 27 2004, 06:36) Sorry to oppose again, but Guilty needs to go on Platinum   Well I can see what you mean in terms of sound and musicians and where it was recorded, but Guilty does quote liberally from Incantations itself..... Jules -------------- I like beer and I like cheese Back to top

Sir Mustapha Group: Musicians Posts: 2802 Joined: April 2003 Posted: May 27 2004, 07:21 Yes, Guilty sounds more related to Incantations than to Platinum, melodically speaking. Also, it would be nice for a contrast. I suggested putting "Pipe Tune" in Ommadawn because, well, Incantations occupies almost a whole CD, and I think it would be pushing too hard to include more stuff... though a second CD could do it. Also, "Pipe Tune" works as a "prequel" of Incantations, I think. I dunno. Really. -------------- Check out http://ferniecanto.com.br for all my music, including my latest albums: Don't Stay in the City, Making Amends and Builders of Worlds. Also check my Bandcamp page: http://ferniecanto.bandcamp.com Back to top

ekloef Group: Members Posts: 122 Joined: April 2004 Posted: May 27 2004, 08:18 Sir Mustapha! There are NO limits of what you can do here. Make it a double or tripple... Let your fantasy loose!! Ekloef, Sweden -------------- https://www.instagram.com/robtch/ Back to top

qjamesfloyd Group: Members Posts: 1357 Joined: April 2001 Posted: May 27 2004, 10:18 Well i am amazed people are talking about re-issues,when most of the time people are complaining about buying all the same music again,if you bought a reissue with extras,you are still buying an album you already own,so,the best thing would be a new package,maybe 2,of demo's,different takes,live cuts,unreleased tracks etc,and if that did happen,it would be nice for Mike himself to write about each track.I'm sure this will all happen one day,but maybe it's a little to early in Mike's career yet,plus all the usual things about rights etc. Back to top

Sir Mustapha Group: Musicians Posts: 2802 Joined: April 2003 Posted: May 27 2004, 10:39 Well, we aren't considering buying all CD's again with extras included (though there are people who would do it), but it would be extremely nifty if the HDCD remasters, for example, had included those goodies. As for now, we can only discuss and ponder over the matter. -------------- Check out http://ferniecanto.com.br for all my music, including my latest albums: Don't Stay in the City, Making Amends and Builders of Worlds. Also check my Bandcamp page: http://ferniecanto.bandcamp.com Back to top

Holger Group: Members Posts: 1506 Joined: Feb. 2003 Posted: May 27 2004, 12:55 Quote (familyjules @ May 27 2004, 06:46) Quote (Holger @ May 27 2004, 06:36) Sorry to oppose again, but Guilty needs to go on Platinum   Well I can see what you mean in terms of sound and musicians and where it was recorded, but Guilty does quote liberally from Incantations itself..... Yes, and so do parts of Platinum. Back to top

familyjules Group: Members Posts: 1190 Joined: May 2004 Posted: May 28 2004, 05:03 Quote (Holger @ May 27 2004, 12:55) Quote (familyjules @ May 27 2004, 06:46) Quote (Holger @ May 27 2004, 06:36) Sorry to oppose again, but Guilty needs to go on Platinum   Well I can see what you mean in terms of sound and musicians and where it was recorded, but Guilty does quote liberally from Incantations itself..... Yes, and so do parts of Platinum. They do?  Damn, I must dig out my old vinyl of Platinum because I can't even remember how that one goes. Well if this is the case then I agree - Guilty gets moved to Platinum, along with the 'proper' version of Sally, Blue Peter and Alright Now..... Jules -------------- I like beer and I like cheese Back to top

Sir Mustapha Group: Musicians Posts: 2802 Joined: April 2003 Posted: May 28 2004, 07:11 You know, even after listening to Incantations numerous times and Platinum dozens of times, I never saw the slightest similarity between them, melodically. Really. I don't know why they should "go together". -------------- Check out http://ferniecanto.com.br for all my music, including my latest albums: Don't Stay in the City, Making Amends and Builders of Worlds. Also check my Bandcamp page: http://ferniecanto.bandcamp.com Back to top

Holger Group: Members Posts: 1506 Joined: Feb. 2003 Posted: May 28 2004, 10:52 The similarity is not in melody but harmony. I'm too lazy to check it out exactly now, but I will sometime in the near future, and will let you know about it   Back to top

ekloef Group: Members Posts: 122 Joined: April 2004 Posted: May 30 2004, 07:08 Hello! If I remember correctly, Mike Oldfield mentions in one of the interviews on the video "The essential" that he wanted to make a more upbeat "disco" thing based around the chords or harmony of "Incantation". He wanted to use the basic disco stlye arrangement with bass and drums but use a different set of chords and harmonies usually not found in commercial discosongs. So maybe "Guilty" is more related to "Incantations" on a chord/harmony way and with "Platinum" on the arrangment and rythmic way? Great replies everyone! Ekloef, Sweden -------------- https://www.instagram.com/robtch/ Back to top

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