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liron Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: Dec. 1999 Posted: Dec. 14 1999, 09:26 i suggest a new aprroach to the new mike oldfield style: mike oldfield has long been dead, and replaced by an artificial life form resembling his appearance. proves to this theorum you can find at "has mike lost it" here on the MB forum. Back to top

CarstenKuss Group: Musicians Posts: 362 Joined: Nov. 1999 Posted: Dec. 21 1999, 16:08 Well, the Millennium's eve is drawing close, so we might as well get a little silly. This topic obviously isn't meant to be serious, nor is this reply. My private theory is: There is not one, but there were several different Mike Oldfields presented to us through the decades. First, in the 70's, we had this bearded, Jesus-like creature at an age of around 20 who made TB, OMMADAWN and so on. Then, as the 80's came up, another guy appeared as "Mike Oldfield". Look at the inner sleeve of the vinyl DISCOVERY!. Short hair, overall, soft looks. Some people say, he looks "gay" (sure you can't LOOK that way can you). In the 90's, a long-haired womanizer called himself "Mike Oldfield". He can be seen in the "The Essential MO" video, on the covers of AMAROK and VOYAGER. Now, in the 00's, a platinum-blonde guy enters the scene. He likes to visit gallerys (TBIII), launches marriage ads and even plays concerts under the name of "MO". I've seen him live on stage last summer. It's a job-sharing affair. Four different persons under one name! By the way: The pics to EARTH MOVING show a puppet, not a person. I'm sure, you can find more MO's, if you try hard enough. ;-) Merry Millennium, Carsten -------------- -Carsten- Back to top

liron Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: Dec. 1999 Posted: Dec. 27 1999, 06:55 and i do wonder, why is it that the MB album does'nt have an "artist's name", no where on the package? look for yourself - there's nothin to indicate that a "mike oldfield" wrote this album. only on the back in littleletters you may find an indication for that - and it only says "oldfield music ltd." did mike oldfield write this piece of shit? can YOU believe it? i dont really think so... more to come soon... on "mike oldfield died on a plain crash in 1979". Back to top

liron Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: Dec. 1999 Posted: Dec. 27 1999, 07:10 listen to AMAROK, in about 28:47 you should hear something on your left speaker, it sounds like someone speaking but it is'nt quite clear what he's saying. having a "vocal fader" on some audio systems with karaoke, may help. it takes of certain channels in order to eliminate the channel of the singer. if you operate the vocal fader you can hear it more fluently, it sounds as if a reversed sentance is being recorded. i have a digital multitrack recorder... i recorded this sagmant of music to my multitrack and reversed it again. here's what it said (i have a very strong opinion about the meanning): "michael is no longer michael is no longer michael is no longer michael". theres another piece to the ever growing jigsaw of mike oldfield's death. Back to top

liron Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: Dec. 1999 Posted: Dec. 27 1999, 07:48 mike oldfield died on an airoplane accident in 1979. it was said later that richard branson was with him and that they had an argument over the royalties precentage which mike should get for his albums. mike was so furious that he stoped controling the plane's gear on purpose. the plane was siriously in danger of crashing, but at the last moment mike took control over the wheel again. this supposedly happened at 1981. wrong... files show that mike oldfield lost control over an airoplane in october 1979 while flying over kilkenny county in ireland. he asked for help from the control tower but transmission was cut. pieces of an airoplane was found nearby by a local shepherd, after he had heard an explosion. the shepherd says that he's absolutly shure that certain piece of the wreck said "D15-wA1". D15-wA1 was the serial code used for the sesna plane mike flew. the shephered said that after the police arrived nothing was said about the incident, further more - two weeks later he recieved an envelope with nothing written on it except his name and address. in it he found a large amount of moeny with a note saying "D15-wA1". he admits that he thought at the time that this was ment to keep him quiet -and so he did. you ask yourself whats in it for anyone? well what's in it is for the record company: "virgin". at the time mike was at the peak of his career. and they wanted him to go on tour ASAP. the tour was supposed to bring millions of pounds to the company. and so - when mike tragicaly died - they searched for a look-a-like. and found, Richi Nelson. a car mechanic for the branson family. they immidiatly had him having a plastic surgery which corrected certain things in his, now new, oldfield face. the fact is, that Richi Nelson (the new oldfield), never wrote anything. it was always to the hands of mike's two old friends: tom newman and david bedford. they are the ones behind all the albums since "platinum" (actually one part of platinum WAS written by the two and was givven the name "AIRBORN" in memory of their now late friend). the last album the two wrote together was "tubular bells 2", but, as newman himself said, it was only the first part they assembled. the rest was written by trevor horn and "mike oldfield's" PA jeremy parker. after TB2 richi "oldfield", left "virgin" in search of better salary at WEA. thus newman and bedford (the two had a contract with 'virgin' saying that if richi leaves the record company they can't write under the name "mike oldfield again), stopped writing mike's music. richi nelson (mike oldfield), had only one thing to do: to start and write his own music. and we all know what came out of ther don't we? TSODE, VOYAGER, TB3, GUITARS, TMB. the last one proving that mike oldfield isnt really writing any more. more to come on "mike oldfield - the great scheam". Back to top

jhon Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: Dec. 1999 Posted: Dec. 27 1999, 07:56 as an historian and a mike oldfield fan, i totally agree with liron. liron you pin pointed the exact proves. i myself do wonder if amarok is a tribute to the conspiracy of mike's death. i certainly will drop in to hear new stuff. bye. Back to top

herbert Group: Members Posts: 4 Joined: Dec. 1999 Posted: Dec. 27 1999, 08:03 liron does have something in what he says. who can tell?... but maybe this not to be acurate (my english is bad, im french). mike, is dead. i agree, but if not - we are in a bigger problem... Back to top

hergest Group: Members Posts: 3 Joined: Dec. 1999 Posted: Dec. 27 1999, 08:09 JESUS!!!!! liron you are right! i heard the piece of music from amarok - 28:47 - it's there on the left speaker! I taped it and reversed the coil, i just can't believe it... could you be right? is he dead?!!!!! Back to top

Unregistered Posted: Dec. 27 1999, 19:30 Well done! One of the most amusing MO threads I've come across in some time. Will you be attempting to sell this story to Oliver Stone in the near future? Is it "I buried Paul" or "Cranberry sauce"? Back to top

liron Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: Dec. 1999 Posted: Dec. 28 1999, 02:02 people! this is not for amusment! this IS a real case we're talking about here! i must say that after having read the theorum again, i came across some points that could be considered as errors. for instance the part about TB2 made in virgin and not in WEA. it is true. but a part of the conspiracy was that TB2's copyrights will be shared betwin 3 parts. virgin, wea and richi oldfield. since richi was at a braking point in which he threatend virgin that he will expose the plot to the media if they would'nt give him a bigger precentage of the royalties. virgin than soggested that richi will make TB2 and move to another record company (the things were getting too hot for them to handle, and richi's sales were'nt sufficient enough for all the trouble he caused). virgin gets (according to the papers) 1/2 the royalties of TB2. richi and WEA share the other half, quarter for each. WEA gets richi "oldfield" to sign on record deal. I want to say it again - though you may think i am kidding - this is all truth. I will bring more evidance soon. Back to top

herbert Group: Members Posts: 4 Joined: Dec. 1999 Posted: Dec. 28 1999, 02:07 dear liron. i think you are wrong to be so angry. i don't believe that anyone is trying to say that you are to be wrong. the opposite is the truth - I agree with you tottaly! please bring more evidance soon!!! p.s. the amarok 28:47 part - convinced me the most! could you bring the evidance of the plane crash? do you have the files? Back to top

liron Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: Dec. 1999 Posted: Dec. 28 1999, 02:10 I am sorry herbert for doubting you all. anyway - i do have the plane crash files plus the police files that had the eye evidance of the irish shephered. i will soon put them on the net for all to see. Back to top

jhon Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: Dec. 1999 Posted: Dec. 28 1999, 02:13 I agree with herbert. I believe liron's theory. if anyone doubt it i suggest he'll check out the amarok 28:47 and put all the parts of the puzzle together. well done liron! Back to top

jhon Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: Dec. 1999 Posted: Dec. 28 1999, 02:31 "that thing about WEA has reminded me something I have been thinking about for the last 8 years: Have you noticed that the change in the style in MO's albums was made since he joined WEA an released TBII? Then he admited that he wanted to try the new electronic instruments. OK, but my thought is: Was it dealed with WEA that Mike should change his musical style? The new style is more electronic, more standard and more comercial (that is whar WEA loves!). The Virgin albums (from TB to Amarok) were touching, but the later albums are not.That's why all people here are complaining, so put the blame on WEA!! David." these are the words of david from another topic here. did you think about that liron? what do you have to say about the WEA deal? Back to top

liron Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: Dec. 1999 Posted: Dec. 28 1999, 02:40 i don't realy know about a WEA deal. BUT it sounds typical of richi oldfield's way of thought. i don't believe there was a deal in favor of more commercial recordings - only that richi "oldfield" started making his OWN music (as i said earlier). the sound we are hearing is richi nelson's idea of music - not mike oldfield's. Back to top

liron Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: Dec. 1999 Posted: Dec. 28 1999, 09:46 when you ask yourself "is mike oldfield dead?" you should first ask yourself these 10 simple questions: 1. why is the drastic change in personality and quality of music? is it all due to some low grade pseudo therapy? 2. why the change in appearance? if mike oldfield went through therapy, does it mean that he should change how he looks too? 3. why did virgin try to eliminate mike oldfield's music through the 80's and 90's? why did'nt they promote his music, could it be because they wanted the oldfield incident kept quiet? 4. why is it that through 4 albums mike maintains the same musical style and through the 80's-90's he's constantly changing styles, from album to album? 5. why is it that since he signed with WEA his records are so poorly made, that the last one does'nt even sound like an oldfield album? 6. why does'nt the last album (MB) have an artist's name on it, to implicate that mike oldfield made the album? 7. how come mike oldfield stopped making albums with his sister and brother right after "platinum"? 8. why is it that in the last album made with virgin, mike oldfield is written "michael oldfield", and tom newman written as "thom newman"? could that suggest to the fraud made in 1979 by virgin? 9. why is it that on AMAROK 28:47 you can hear a man say: "michael is no longer michael is no longer michael is no longer michael"? (if you reverse the tape). 10. how can a man named "richi nelson", who has worked for the branson family, disappear out of the face of the earth, 3 days after a plane bearing the serial code of mike oldfield's plane crashed in ireland? all this and more details coming soon points at one direction: mike oldfield has long been dead! more evidance to that coming soon on "mike oldfield - the big fraud!" [This message has been edited by liron (edited 12-30-1999).] Back to top

CarstenKuss Group: Musicians Posts: 362 Joined: Nov. 1999 Posted: Dec. 29 1999, 18:28 What is this crap about AMAROK 28:47 ? I have good ears, and there is absolutely nothing. Bonn, about 00:32, good-night. -------------- -Carsten- Back to top

CarstenKuss Group: Musicians Posts: 362 Joined: Nov. 1999 Posted: Dec. 29 1999, 18:48 But, liron, if you want to prove and train your good ears, then tell me what is said at AMAROK 26:07. It starts with "faster they trade..." I'm looking forward to any results. Happy Millennium, Carsten -------------- -Carsten- Back to top

liron Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: Dec. 1999 Posted: Dec. 30 1999, 02:42 it's not "faster they trade" dear carsten... it's "fast riff intro". if you want the complete list of blubbering richi oldfield is saying there try looking in the sleeve notes. you will find a list of the sections in amarok, with names attached. that's what he is saying there. but that is only ment to fool you... 'cos right after that in 28:47, you can here it on the left speaker (if you cant hear it - press your ears to the speaker). theres a rumbling there that sounds like a human voice sayng something. Back to top

herbert Group: Members Posts: 4 Joined: Dec. 1999 Posted: Dec. 30 1999, 08:01 Listen carsten, if you have problems with your hearing, than maybe you should go and buy an ear! the thing is there alright on 28:47!! i heard it, jhon heard it and hergest heard it too!!! so stop making troubles ah?! ce'st la vie!! as we say in france! mike is dead! dead dead dead dead dead!! DAED I TELL YOU! Back to top

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