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amaroks Group: Members Posts: 9 Joined: Feb. 2006 Posted: Sep. 04 2012, 13:46 Just thought I would post this to commemorate Mike's 20th anniversary of his first live performance of Tubular Bells 2 and of course the 16th of TB3! Back to top

manintherain Group: Members. Posts: 546 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: Sep. 04 2012, 16:11 Thank you very much for reminding us. I had the privilege to attend both premiere concerts as well as the one in Bilbao and they will always stick with me. Back to top

amaroks Group: Members Posts: 9 Joined: Feb. 2006 Posted: Sep. 04 2012, 18:01 My pleasure. I was gutted that I couldn't attend TB2 but was at Horse Guards Parade 6 years later. In 2006 I managed to purchase his Lowden guitar from the 1st concert. A souvenir I will always treasure! Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Sep. 04 2012, 18:03 The televised broadcast of the TBII performance was what got me into Mike Oldfield, with TBII remaining to this day my second-fav M.O. album, so thanks indeed to Amaroks. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

manintherain Group: Members. Posts: 546 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: Sep. 05 2012, 08:45 Quote (amaroks @ Sep. 05 2012, 00:01) In 2006 I managed to purchase his Lowden guitar from the 1st concert. A souvenir I will always treasure! Looks like we are likeminded - guitarwise. Back to top

memberd Group: Members Posts: 45 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Sep. 05 2012, 09:21 Quote (amaroks @ Sep. 04 2012, 13:46) Just thought I would post this to commemorate Mike's 20th anniversary of his first live performance of Tubular Bells 2 and of course the 16th of TB3! Nice one   I watched it all again quite recently although it didn't ocur to me it was 20 years ago .. (The world was very different then wasn't it? ) -------------- "...inside, and the positions are reversed..." Back to top

TOBY Group: Members Posts: 1562 Joined: May 2002 Posted: Sep. 05 2012, 15:18 20 years ago! Blimey time flies. I was there, sitting in the cold under a gorgeous dark blue Edinburgh sky. I have to say it wasn't the best gig I've ever been too. A fairly soulless note for note perfect rendition of TB2. About 75% of what you were hearing live seemed to be coming straight from a sequenced backing track. With the exception of Alastair Malloy on percussion pretty much all the session musicians seemed utterly indifferent if not actually bored during the performance and John Gordon Sinclair's little moments of jocularity just seemed surreal, and not in a good way. Compare all that to the TB3 premiere gig where the band looked  superb and crucially they looked like they were really getting into what they were playing. Musically it was all far more interesting. I remember leaving the TB2 gig really disappointed there was no encore and no other tracks played. A ridiculously short gig for the money and build up. Still, great backdrop. It looked good on TV despite the dull as dishwater band. Back to top

Delfín Group: Members Posts: 667 Joined: Nov. 2000 Posted: Sep. 08 2012, 07:52 TOBY!!! I don't agree!!! I don't know how many instruments were pre-recorded, but the band seemed quite happy and purposed on that one!! Moreso, I can't remember a gig in which I've seen so much happiness shared between the musicians. There would have to be more opinions probably, but... -------------- The most precious thing I possess, is knowing the answer's yes Back to top

Delfín Group: Members Posts: 667 Joined: Nov. 2000 Posted: Sep. 08 2012, 07:53 Quote (Ugo @ Sep. 05 2012, 00:03) The televised broadcast of the TBII performance was what got me into Mike Oldfield, with TBII remaining to this day my second-fav M.O. album, so thanks indeed to Amaroks. Like -------------- The most precious thing I possess, is knowing the answer's yes Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Sep. 08 2012, 08:06 @ TOBY, maybe you're confusing the TBII Edinburgh première with the TBIII one at the Horse Guards Parade in London, which was indeed as you say 75% taped/sequenced, 15% live (mostly Mike's instruments ). Alastair Malloy was not at Edinburgh, IIRC. However, a few parts within the Edinburgh performance were indeed pre-recorded, such as all of the spoken vocals on "Altered State" (the sung vocals sound like they're live to me), some percussion (handclaps etc.) and some female vocals ("Sentinel", "Weightless"). Everything else was genuine, and I also don't agree about the TBII band looking dull and bored: they all look fully committed to me, and fully "into it" - really interested in making the music shine. The fact that Mike himself re-recorded some guitar in "Dark Star" after the actual performance because the second guitarist got it wrong is, I think, a very minor matter. @ Delfíin: are we on Facebook? Sorry, I just detest social networks - and FB in particular. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

manintherain Group: Members. Posts: 546 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: Sep. 10 2012, 02:08 Quote (Ugo @ Sep. 08 2012, 14:06) Alastair Malloy was not at Edinburgh, IIRC. Sure he was: And the name is Alasdair. Edited by manintherain on Sep. 10 2012, 02:10 Back to top

memberd Group: Members Posts: 45 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Sep. 10 2012, 03:30 Quote (TOBY @ Sep. 05 2012, 15:18) 20 years ago! Blimey time flies. I was there, sitting in the cold under a gorgeous dark blue Edinburgh sky. I have to say it wasn't the best gig I've ever been too. A fairly soulless note for note perfect rendition of TB2. About 75% of what you were hearing live seemed to be coming straight from a sequenced backing track. With the exception of Alastair Malloy on percussion pretty much all the session musicians seemed utterly indifferent if not actually bored during the performance and John Gordon Sinclair's little moments of jocularity just seemed surreal, and not in a good way. .... I remember leaving the TB2 gig really disappointed there was no encore and no other tracks played. A ridiculously short gig for the money and build up. Still, great backdrop. It looked good on TV despite the dull as dishwater band. I have to admit I've only ever seen the video/TV performance and was not there but as far as I'm concerned it was really special and definitely a MO renaissance for me after the "dark ages" that were the MO-eighties! All the musicians look very happy and involved to me, despite the cold and rain! -------------- "...inside, and the positions are reversed..." Back to top

manintherain Group: Members. Posts: 546 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: Sep. 10 2012, 03:47 Quote (memberd @ Sep. 10 2012, 09:30) All the musicians look very happy and involved to me, despite the cold and rain! It was chilly but it didn´t rain. It didn´t stop lots of locals from wearing t-shirts and no jackets though. Back to top

memberd Group: Members Posts: 45 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Sep. 10 2012, 03:48 Quote (manintherain @ Sep. 10 2012, 03:47) Quote (memberd @ Sep. 10 2012, 09:30) All the musicians look very happy and involved to me, despite the cold and rain! It was chilly but it didn´t rain. It didn´t stop lots of locals from wearing t-shirts and no jackets though. Ah, Ok I thought it rained too . . Just as well then! -------------- "...inside, and the positions are reversed..." Back to top

3Wheeler Group: Members Posts: 828 Joined: Aug. 2007 Posted: Sep. 10 2012, 03:49 Tattoo is still rather Sensational.   The video with the Massed Pipes is always Great to Watch.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNjeaYm95f0 -------------- We're Flying Aeroflot, We've Got Reservations. Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Sep. 10 2012, 08:17 @ 3Wheeler: that was in Edinburgh... how could he not employ a pipe band? Anyway, as far as I know, most British people like them, so, yes, it's very good. @ manintherain: of course I didn't associate the face with the name, because I was thinking of Alasdair Malloy as the balding guy who rubs the wine glasses (without being heard) in the TBIII performance. Anyway, I see there's still some confusion going on here between the TBII and TBIII premiéres - the latter was the one where it rained, not the former. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

TOBY Group: Members Posts: 1562 Joined: May 2002 Posted: Sep. 10 2012, 12:55 Quote (Delfín @ Sep. 08 2012, 07:52) Moreso, I can't remember a gig in which I've seen so much happiness shared between the musicians. Are we watching the same gig?! I can't for the life of me think of a gig where a bunch of session musicians look less interested in what they're doing. Granted I wasn't expecting them to dance around the stage to TB2 but most of them aren't moving in the slightest let alone looking like they're getting into any form of groove whatsoever. And Mike himself seemed way less relaxed and into it all than he did at the TB3 premier. There's not much evidence of any of them bar Alasdair Malloy looking very happy at all as I remember it. I'll admit most of them just look like they're concentrating very hard on doing whatever it is they're doing, its an involved piece after all, but that doesn't mean it makes a great show or was great to be at. Like I said before the TB3 premier looked much better. I wasn't at it mind you but it looks much better to watch on DVD. I think it helped a lot that Mike chose a much more mixed band for it. The whole thing was musically a lot looser and less boringly rigid than the Edinburgh gig. Back to top

TOBY Group: Members Posts: 1562 Joined: May 2002 Posted: Sep. 10 2012, 13:10 Quote (Ugo @ Sep. 08 2012, 08:06) @ TOBY, maybe you're confusing the TBII Edinburgh première with the TBIII one at the Horse Guards Parade in London, which was indeed as you say 75% taped/sequenced, 15% live Nope, not getting them confused at all Ugo. For the TB2 gig all the stringed instruments were live (although I've sometimes had my doubts about Mike's banjo playing at the end) and most of the percussion. I've always had my doubts that the tubular bells themselves were live, I think they were midi triggering samples from the album like the TB3 live bell sounds clearly were. All the vocal parts were mimed and the bagpipes during tattoo were definitely mimed I think. I know for a fact that bagpipes are a nightmare to mike up and the sound of all those Scots Guards bagpipes would have obliterated everything else on the stage had they been actually played. I might be wrong about that but that's my feeling from what I heard and saw. Also the sound of them just sounds way too much like the over produced compressed sound from the actual album. Like an awful lot of that concert there was a lot of playback and midi triggering going on I think. Like I said above the TB3 Horseguards show seemed a bit looser musically. How much more or less was actually played or mimed or triggered I don't know. Back to top

CJJC Group: Members Posts: 210 Joined: Aug. 2010 Posted: Sep. 10 2012, 21:04 One thing I can tell you is that the pipes are catered for in the tuning, so that Tattoo modulates into E-flat for the bagpipes (it's  in D on the album) and then the beginning of Altered State drops from E flat back to D again (if you've ever wondered why that happens), and thus you are definitely hearing real bagpipes but I can't for the life of me tell you if the pipes were pre-recorded or genuinely live. -------------- IMHO Back to top

Delfín Group: Members Posts: 667 Joined: Nov. 2000 Posted: Sep. 10 2012, 21:19 Quote (Ugo @ Sep. 08 2012, 14:06) @ Delfíin: are we on Facebook? Sorry, I just detest social networks - and FB in particular. No! Just emulating...    Just liked the comment. -------------- The most precious thing I possess, is knowing the answer's yes Back to top

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