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Blue Dolphin Group: Members Posts: 1232 Joined: Nov. 1999 Posted: Sep. 22 2004, 13:18 Not much of an interesting subject to most of you, but if you do happen to buy Jarre's new album, check for a photo I made and my name!     Jarre's management asked Jarre fans last year if they could send a photo of what they thought visualised Jarre's music for them. The result is in the booklet of the new Aero album. A great idea, if I may say so. Maybe more artists can follow this idea?! In this way a album becomes more "personalized" for fans who buy the album. -------------- -The mark of a good musician is to play one note and mean it- Mike Oldfield - 1980 Back to top

Woodlander Group: Members Posts: 48 Joined: Oct. 2003 Posted: Sep. 22 2004, 14:16 Bought the album on monday. I also think it is a good idea with the photos. I am happy to see that little Denmark is represented aswell.   I think the 5.1 mix is very well done and a nice experince to listen to. About the music.... well, some of the tracks Jarre chose to rerecord are not among my personal favourites, but that is of course a matter of personal taste. Also, the rerecordings are not exactly 1:1 and I must admit that I prefer the original recordings. To my ears the new rerecordings seem....more cold in a way (if you can use terms like cold and warm in connection with synth-music). But as mentioned above I think the 5.1 mix is nice, entering a world of sound. Also, it is nice to hear that Jarre makes some humorous self-quotations in the scenes which lead one track to another.   Back to top

Holger Group: Members Posts: 1506 Joined: Feb. 2003 Posted: Sep. 22 2004, 15:40 Quote (Woodlander @ Sep. 22 2004, 14:16) To my ears the new rerecordings seem....more cold in a way (if you can use terms like cold and warm in connection with synth-music). Oh, definitely! Analogue synths are fully capable of producing really warm sounds. In fact it might be harder to get them to sound 'cold' than 'warm'. Digital synths, I feel, tend to be the opposite; they can by all means be made to sound warm, but usually they have something colder, more, ehm, digital to them. And Blue Dolphin, that's very cool about the photo! I'm afraid I'm not going to buy the album, but if I happen to see it somewhere I'll definitely look for your pic! Back to top

Blue Dolphin Group: Members Posts: 1232 Joined: Nov. 1999 Posted: Sep. 23 2004, 06:58 I agree! It sounds colder than the originals, and I also prefer the original recordings. But the 5.1 mix is done very well! Check his website for excerpts and such: http://www.jeanmicheljarre.com (if you do happen to see the booklet, the picture I made is on the bottom left with "M. Schaatsbergen") -------------- -The mark of a good musician is to play one note and mean it- Mike Oldfield - 1980 Back to top

TOBY Group: Members Posts: 1562 Joined: May 2002 Posted: Sep. 23 2004, 13:47 Good effort chap and you're right this is exactly the sort of thing it would be great to see Mike do. I may buy the album, but again I can't see the point of re-recording perfectly good tracks, and JMJ doesn't have the 'out of time and out of tune' excuse Mike used. What is it with these two?  I do admire JMJ though generaly, his approach to music does seem a lot healthier than Mike's sometimes. JMJ does at least sound enthusiastic about it these days. At least you don't hear him saying 'I don't listen to any music these days' or 'all modern music is rubbish' or 'there is no more good music left to write in the world' or words to that effect. Yawn, Yawn Mike   Back to top

Blue Dolphin Group: Members Posts: 1232 Joined: Nov. 1999 Posted: Sep. 23 2004, 14:19 Yeah! Excately! And another good approach of Jean Michel is that he still tours!! He's having a concert in about a month in Beijng, and he's going to tour next year! Even more, he will perform his concerts in 5.1 surround sound! Mike could have had the credit for releasing the first 5.1 surround album (TB 2003) if he had already mixed it in 5.1, instead of first releasing it on cd and later on DVD. Jean Michel released "Aero" on DVD, plus there's a cd version included! No more money picking. So Mike, maybe you can do the same??!! Touring!! Yawn!   -------------- -The mark of a good musician is to play one note and mean it- Mike Oldfield - 1980 Back to top

Korgscrew Group: Super Admins Posts: 3511 Joined: Dec. 1999 Posted: Sep. 28 2004, 08:38 Quote (Blue Dolphin @ Sep. 23 2004, 19:19) Mike could have had the credit for releasing the first 5.1 surround album (TB 2003) if he had already mixed it in 5.1, instead of first releasing it on cd and later on DVD. You mean the first ever? That was released a long time ago - I don't know what it was, but people have been composing specifically for 5.1 for quite some time now. Quote Jean Michel released "Aero" on DVD, plus there's a cd version included! No more money picking. If he'd released it on SACD, it could have all been put on one disc But to be more serious, I certainly wasn't too impressed by that particular marketing strategy of waiting until all the fans had bought a copy of TB2003 before releasing the DVD-A. Of course, some of us took the CDs back Giving surround sound concerts is certainly a way to keep the engineers occupied! It can be very entertaining for the audience too, though...I'm working on something along those lines myself at the moment...but I shall say no more and let you get back to discussing Jarre! Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Sep. 28 2004, 16:17 I agree with most of the people here about the new recordings not being on a par with the originals... but not because they are 'colder' or anything, simply because they have been re-played. On some stuff (e.g. Equinoxe 8, Oxygene 2) you can really hear that they were re-played, and them being re-played is, IMHO, their only weak point. I don't know if you all really understand me on this. But, on the other hand, I have a lot of appreciation for JMJ's efforts in re-recording them, for the sake of obtaining a good 5.1 mix out of them - what he obtained is, I think, spectacular. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

a_r_schulz Group: Members Posts: 425 Joined: Sep. 2001 Posted: Oct. 08 2004, 18:54 Having eventually got the album myself, I'd first have to nitpick that it's NOT DVD-Audio, just a plain Video-DVD (though with both DTS and Dolby Digital 5.1 soundtracks) - maybe the high-end (DVD-A/SACD) market is still too small, whereas more and more people have at least small 5.1 DVD home cinema systems. About the recordings - well, I guess it's about my 7th version of 4th Rendez-vous (and the least exciting one), and the 3rd..5th of most of the other classic tracks, so what's the difference this time? First, most of it didn't sound actually 'digital' and colder to me - note that he still (or again?) uses lots of his old analog gear for recording and even live performances, so in the basic sound layers I don't see much of a difference, except that the new recording equipment may have added some definition and brilliance. What DOES make the sound colder are actually new layers added for the re-recording, as e.g. in Oxygene 2, which admittedly sounds a little strange, compared to earlier versions. OTOH, there are pieces like 'Souvenir of China', which have been changed only very little, if at all, and then Chronology 6, which, by adding that 'tinkling-bells' part, has become almost a completely new, and IMHO quite interesting, piece. The 5.1 mix per se mostly comes out quite well, IMO, although some parts, like some in Mike's TB2003, suffer from what I'd call the 'look Ma, 5 channels, and a pan-STICK!'-effect - panning for pannings sake, everything just buzzing around you, like e.g. the children's chorus in the 'Souvenir' intro, that keeps spinning around you. Well, time to go sleeping now, but I'm wondering about that AERO game announced in the sleeve notes.. Back to top

Blue Dolphin Group: Members Posts: 1232 Joined: Nov. 1999 Posted: Oct. 08 2004, 20:05 Yeah, those new parts, like the "tinkely bells" on Chronology 6 and the "bell" part on Oxygene 4... Jarre already played those versions on the AERO concert in 2002. So he already had the versions back then. -------------- -The mark of a good musician is to play one note and mean it- Mike Oldfield - 1980 Back to top

TOBY Group: Members Posts: 1562 Joined: May 2002 Posted: Oct. 10 2004, 08:01 Whats this about an Aero game? I wasn't so sure or at all convinced about this theory of JMJ conciously ripping off Mike but now I'm not so sure..... ....Maybe they should just amalgamate themselves into a single artist, after all they they've both fairly recently become half the artists they used to be. They should just add themselves together and become one. We might actualy get some original music out of them. Back to top

Holger Group: Members Posts: 1506 Joined: Feb. 2003 Posted: Oct. 10 2004, 12:46 Ha! Come to think of it, I'm not quite sure if I prefer new Mike or old Jarre... Back to top

amarokian Group: Members Posts: 150 Joined: Dec. 2004 Posted: Feb. 14 2005, 01:39 Aero by Jean-Michel Jarre is another live album in which,as he has accomodate us for many,uses only old songs remixed (with the exception of two very short - 2.30 minutes - new pieces).My opinions regarding Aero are half-half,it's not his best of albums,but it has not lowered to the dezastrous state for my ears in which Rendez-Vouz In Paris 1998 is included.   But I still expect,as a obsessed fan of JMJ,his next new album(containing new material) -------------- These posts are hazardous to the health of cloth-eared nincompoops.If you suffer from this condition after you read my posts,consult your doctor immediately. Back to top

Holger Group: Members Posts: 1506 Joined: Feb. 2003 Posted: Feb. 14 2005, 04:11 Ah, this reminds me. I've seen the photo. To be perfectly honest though, I can't, ehm, remember what was on it. But I know I liked it. Honest! Back to top

Baggiesfaninessex Group: Members Posts: 682 Joined: Mar. 2002 Posted: Mar. 28 2005, 07:04 I like Aero but I am looking forward to the release of Jarre's Live in Beijing DVD far more. Not long to wait now!   -------------- “A dog is not intelligent. Never trust an animal that's surprised by its own farts.” - Frank Skinner Back to top

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