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hiawatha Group: Members Posts: 2391 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: Mar. 01 2005, 16:48 Anyone else interested in Kate Bush here? I've been listening again for the first time in years on the new Napster. I think she peaked with "The Dreaming" and "Hounds of Love", but the two after that ("Sensual World" and "Red Shoes") are a big let-down, almost unlistenable. I figured she pretty much retired after this: "Red Shoes" is more than 10 years old. However, she has a new one coming out this year. -------------- "In the land of the Dacotahs, Where the Falls of Minnehaha Flash and gleam among the oak-trees, Laugh and leap into the valley." - Song of Hiawatha Back to top

MO fan Group: Members Posts: 177 Joined: Nov. 2002 Posted: Mar. 01 2005, 23:55 Kate Bush is a great artist, most unusual but strong voice, like all her early work but gave up once she stared her German pop career. The best DVD / video to get is 'Kate Bush, the whole story'. Now heres the funny thing, there is now an artist on the go who can sing exactly like her, and in some of her songs, you would think it was Kate Bush. Shes even doing similar dance movements now. That artist is SERAH BRIGHTMAN of 'phantom of the opera' fame, her voice is amazing, she has a Kate Bush voice, Opera voice, and plenty others, Some of her new works give as much emotional output as dare I say it,  Mikes instrumental works. Here lattest album HAREM is the one to get , specifically the combined DVD / CD, it is brilliant. Also her Live in Las Vegas DVD is superb, with the best performance I have ever seen. Back to top

familyjules Group: Members Posts: 1190 Joined: May 2004 Posted: Mar. 02 2005, 04:58 I love the Hounds of Love album, and a couple of the earlier singles like Army Dreamers and Sat In Your Lap.  I found the post Hounds of Love material a little lacking in spark, but I'd never write her off as an artist.  Apparently she's shortly to release her first new work in years..... Sarah Brightman?  Well I've never gotten the impression that she's an artist of any stature.  I would say she's not fit to lick Kate Bush's red shoes myself!  Just my opinion. Jules -------------- I like beer and I like cheese Back to top

MO fan Group: Members Posts: 177 Joined: Nov. 2002 Posted: Mar. 02 2005, 06:37 Quote (familyjules @ Mar. 02 2005, 04:58) Sarah Brightman?  Well I've never gotten the impression that she's an artist of any stature.  I would say she's not fit to lick Kate Bush's red shoes myself!  Just my opinion. Jules I agree with you on Sarah's early stuff but... Try listening or watching the new albums I mentioned, and see what you think. Back to top

Anne in the Rain Group: Members Posts: 33 Joined: July 2004 Posted: Mar. 02 2005, 11:09 The "Hounds of Love" album is a master piece. "The 9th Wave" is really haunting, especially "Under Ice", "Waking the Witch" and "Jig of Life". I also like songs like "Wow" and "Breathing". I hope the new album will be in a similar vein. I like Sarah Brightman's albums "Eden" and "La Luna" (they are very well produced) and some songs from "Harem" as well, but I wouldn't compare her to Kate Bush. She doesn't write her own music and although her range is wider than Kate's, her middle voice is breathy... But I like her. Cara Dillon's voice has been compared to Kate's as well. But in my opinion, our Amar sounds much more like Kate than Sarah and Cara. Just listen to "Maybe" or "Red Sky" from her album "Outside": http://www.juno.co.uk/ppps/products/58056-01.htm Back to top

hiawatha Group: Members Posts: 2391 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: Mar. 02 2005, 11:26 Quote (MO fan @ Mar. 01 2005, 23:55) Kate Bush is a great artist, most unusual but strong voice, like all her early work but gave up once she stared her German pop career. She abandoned progressive and went to pop for a while? In Germany? Apparently, these years produced no recordings. -------------- "In the land of the Dacotahs, Where the Falls of Minnehaha Flash and gleam among the oak-trees, Laugh and leap into the valley." - Song of Hiawatha Back to top

familyjules Group: Members Posts: 1190 Joined: May 2004 Posted: Mar. 02 2005, 11:47 Quote (hiawatha @ Mar. 02 2005, 11:26) She abandoned progressive and went to pop for a while? Come on now, calling Kate Bush prog is stretching things a bit! Jules -------------- I like beer and I like cheese Back to top

hiawatha Group: Members Posts: 2391 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: Mar. 02 2005, 11:51 That is where I keep finding her categorized. Check this Google search result: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=kate+bush+progressive -------------- "In the land of the Dacotahs, Where the Falls of Minnehaha Flash and gleam among the oak-trees, Laugh and leap into the valley." - Song of Hiawatha Back to top

familyjules Group: Members Posts: 1190 Joined: May 2004 Posted: Mar. 02 2005, 11:56 Quote (hiawatha @ Mar. 02 2005, 11:51) That is where I keep finding her categorized. Weird!  I'd say she was pop.  Left-of-centre pop, mind you.  Like Bjork. Jules -------------- I like beer and I like cheese Back to top

hiawatha Group: Members Posts: 2391 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: Mar. 02 2005, 12:37 "Pop" is a term that generally applies to low-quality rock. like Britney Spears. If Kate Bush produced pop, I would have never bought 6+ of her albums -------------- "In the land of the Dacotahs, Where the Falls of Minnehaha Flash and gleam among the oak-trees, Laugh and leap into the valley." - Song of Hiawatha Back to top

Satyagraha Group: Musicians Posts: 103 Joined: June 2003 Posted: Mar. 02 2005, 14:08 I absolutely adore Kate Bush. I've got all of her albums, and I think I'm in love with her (Christ! It just struck me ... she is 46 years old now. Tempus fugit.) "The Sensual World" happens to be one of my favourite records. How can you not love "Never Be Mine", "Heads We're Dancing", "Rocket's Tail", "The Fog" and the title track? Getting nostalgic ... think I have to play it tonight. Her only album I've never gotten into is her second, "Lionheart". -------------- Byrði betri berrat maðr brautu at en sé mannvit mikit Back to top

hiawatha Group: Members Posts: 2391 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: Mar. 02 2005, 14:18 I now have all of them. I got the last two off Napster a couple of days ago (the legal service! ). I also have an LP called "Bird in the Hand" and a few 12" singles. I even managed to get an old edition of the book Cloudbusting was based on. On a "5-star" system, I rank "Sensual" and "Shoes" as two-stars. The two albums before that were five-stars -------------- "In the land of the Dacotahs, Where the Falls of Minnehaha Flash and gleam among the oak-trees, Laugh and leap into the valley." - Song of Hiawatha Back to top

ktran Group: Members Posts: 156 Joined: May 2003 Posted: Mar. 02 2005, 18:14 I've always thought of Kate as a female Peter Gabriel (it doesn't hurt that they've worked together). They've both got that sort of strange streak of creativity running through them. Khoa -------------- Khoa Tran www.suspendedseconds.ca Back to top

hiawatha Group: Members Posts: 2391 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: Mar. 02 2005, 19:43 I agree totally. Very strong out of the starting gate, peaking a few albums later, but after that? I recently obtained "Us" and found it to be nearly unlistenable (like the last two Kate's) -------------- "In the land of the Dacotahs, Where the Falls of Minnehaha Flash and gleam among the oak-trees, Laugh and leap into the valley." - Song of Hiawatha Back to top

TubularBelle Group: Members Posts: 1487 Joined: April 2004 Posted: Mar. 02 2005, 23:52 Yeh I'm a big fan of Kates as well as Peter Gabriel, I was rapt when they sang togther, and Sinead Oconnor. I only have Kate Bush, the Whole Story but I nearly bought the entire boxed set once except that I was told the last two albums weren't the best. Isn't she gorgeous too, I wonder what she looks like now, 48, WOW, that's older than me! I always thought Tori Amos was a lot like Kate but I stopped buying Tori after album 3, she became way too pretentious, wordy, convoluted and full of her own importance. I just read a bad review for her latest album. So bring back Kate, I could do with a new injection of what I would call quirky pop, like Bjork. Please don't get into that arguement again about Pop meaning poor quality. Pop means Popular which can mean over-commercialised which can be a bad thing, but something shouldn't be seen as bad or poor quality just because it is popular. That implies people like MO fans only like him because he isn't a mega star and it all has to do with feeling like you own him and are unique because you like him. Sure, it takes more effort to seek out artists like Mike Oldfield and teenagers are lazy, so prefer Pop music. Now I'm starting to denegrate my own arguement so I will stop here. Cheers. Tracy. -------------- I hate getting up early. I didn't even realise there were two 6 o'clocks in one day! Back to top

familyjules Group: Members Posts: 1190 Joined: May 2004 Posted: Mar. 03 2005, 04:36 Quote (hiawatha @ Mar. 02 2005, 12:37) "Pop" is a term that generally applies to low-quality rock. like Britney Spears. Totally disagree.  "Pop" means popular music.  Popular music may largely consist of low-quality pap these days, but this has not always been the case. "Pop" is also a term used to distinguish certain artists and records from its noisier and less soberly arranged brother "rock". Kate Bush made "pop" records up until The Hounds Of Love.  They charted in the "pop" charts, and were not "rock" records by any stretch of the imagination. I think you're getting hung up on the word "pop" and thinking it's a dirty word.  Why should it be? The Beatles were "pop".  Motown was "pop".  Burt Bacharach was "pop".  Most of Mike Oldfield's 80s output was "pop".  You can still have GOOD "pop".  Quality and popular music are not mutually exclusive! Jules -------------- I like beer and I like cheese Back to top

hiawatha Group: Members Posts: 2391 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: Mar. 03 2005, 09:01 Quote (familyjules @ Mar. 03 2005, 04:36) Quote (hiawatha @ Mar. 02 2005, 12:37) "Pop" is a term that generally applies to low-quality rock. like Britney Spears. Totally disagree.  "Pop" means popular music. Then it is totally useless as a term to classify music, isn't it? Saying that Kate Bush produced pop albums is like saying that she made records that sold well? It doesn't say a thing about what kind of music it is if it only means it is "popular". (I've always seen the Beatles called rock, and only rock, by the way, and Bush's albums were all rock. Maybe you are thinking of rock as only heavy metal!. -------------- "In the land of the Dacotahs, Where the Falls of Minnehaha Flash and gleam among the oak-trees, Laugh and leap into the valley." - Song of Hiawatha Back to top

hiawatha Group: Members Posts: 2391 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: Mar. 03 2005, 09:07 Quote (familyjules @ Mar. 03 2005, 04:36) I think you're getting hung up on the word "pop" and thinking it's a dirty word.  Why should it be? It must be a national difference then. Here, the term is usually disparaging, and applies to a narrow group of artists.  Spears is always Pop, Beatles are always rock, Motown is its own sub-genre of music. Don't know what to call Bacharach. -------------- "In the land of the Dacotahs, Where the Falls of Minnehaha Flash and gleam among the oak-trees, Laugh and leap into the valley." - Song of Hiawatha Back to top

familyjules Group: Members Posts: 1190 Joined: May 2004 Posted: Mar. 03 2005, 09:08 Quote (hiawatha @ Mar. 03 2005, 09:01) Then it is totally useless as a term to classify music, isn't it? Saying that Kate Bush produced pop albums is like saying that she made records that sold well? It doesn't say a thing about what kind of music it is if it only means it is "popular". (I've always seen the Beatles called rock, and only rock, by the way). Which is why I included the second definition - 'pop' as opposed to 'rock'. Regarding the Beatles, I think everything up to and including 1967 can be safely categorised as 'pop', in 1968 and 1968 they certainly flirted with 'rock', but 'pop' was their strongest suit. 'Rock' as a definition (as opposed to 'rock & roll' ) only came about in 1968 or so.  Bands turned from snappy 3 minute songs which were structured and arranged ('pop' songs) to less structured, more improvised, heavier and louder, and often slower and longer recordings ('rock' songs). If you work from these loose definitions (and many do) then Kate is clearly 'pop' and so is most of the Beatles back catalogue too. Don't be afraid of 'pop', Hiawatha - embrace it!  Heh. Jules -------------- I like beer and I like cheese Back to top

hiawatha Group: Members Posts: 2391 Joined: Mar. 2004 Posted: Mar. 03 2005, 09:10 Quote (TubularBelle @ Mar. 02 2005, 23:52) Yeh I'm a big fan of Kates as well as Peter Gabriel, I was rapt when they sang togther, and Sinead Oconnor. I only have Kate Bush, the Whole Story but I nearly bought the entire boxed set once except that I was told the last two albums weren't the best. Isn't she gorgeous too, I wonder what she looks like now, 48, WOW, that's older than me! I always thought Tori Amos was a lot like Kate but I stopped buying Tori after album 3, she became way too pretentious, wordy, convoluted and full of her own importance. I just read a bad review for her latest album. So bring back Kate, I could do with a new injection of what I would call quirky pop, like Bjork. Please don't get into that arguement again about Pop meaning poor quality. Pop means Popular which can mean over-commercialised which can be a bad thing, but something shouldn't be seen as bad or poor quality just because it is popular. That implies people like MO fans only like him because he isn't a mega star and it all has to do with feeling like you own him and are unique because you like him. Sure, it takes more effort to seek out artists like Mike Oldfield and teenagers are lazy, so prefer Pop music. Now I'm starting to denegrate my own arguement so I will stop here. Cheers. Tracy. Back on the Kate subject: TubularBelle said: " I was rapt when they sang togther" Wasn't "Don't Give Up" great? "I only have Kate Bush, the Whole Story " I also found that to be an excellent summary of her best work. "I always thought Tori Amos was a lot like Kate but I stopped buying Tori after album 3," I agree, she seems a lot like Kate Bush. Have you heard Tori Amos' version of "Tubular Bells" ? (At last, the Oldfield connection ! ) -------------- "In the land of the Dacotahs, Where the Falls of Minnehaha Flash and gleam among the oak-trees, Laugh and leap into the valley." - Song of Hiawatha Back to top

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