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Posted: Sep. 25 2008, 15:48

Someone heard my phone ringing today.  I have ring tone that is the Karowitz Ommadawn Concert  - the bit where the really punchy guitar comes in about 1.5mins after the start.

The guy was a keen guitarist and asked me who was playing that!

I told him it was MO and he said - "I didn't know he was a guitarist  - i thought he was a synthesiers man.  At this point (after getting up off the floor! and sitting back on my chair)  I started up Itunes and demo'd a few guitar solo bits.  The guy was amazed and asked if MO was still alive.  I laughed and said yes - he is about 55.  "Wow" was the reply I thought he would be about 70 etc etc.,   He didn't know that Mike was 17 when he wrote TB1.  So he has gone away enlightened.

I suppose i'm not really that suprised,  as Mr Oldfield has only got about 3000 fultime supporters ( Ha!;).

But it is amazing that people don't know that he was 17 when he recorded TB1.   Even more so as this chap has Pink Floyd as his favorite group - so same era!

I think MO will still be popular in 50 years as it will take that long for people to realise how good some of his material actually is.

Of course here on TBLR-nut we all discuss "the ins and outs of the fouth note after the crash sound on the third pressing of the demo track........etc.,"  sometimes taking a step back and looking overall at the albums generated since 1973 - it is quite an amazing feat to accomplish all that.

It is also an amazing feat to have listened to it for 33 years - none stop (:))

Only after I had convinced this guy the MO was a rather brilliant guitar player did i realise that i was starting to sound like a Fan  (oops - now that is not on, is it!;).    I'll be competing with MITR and Mr Y for top fan spot next....Arrrrgh Nooo.  (sorry ladies - no mention - as i'm no competition for you!;)

Also having not met MITR - I hope your not a lady?!?!?!

 :p  :p   Ray


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Posted: Sep. 25 2008, 18:55

Quote (Ray @ Sep. 25 2008, 15:48)
But it is amazing that people don't know that he was 17 when he recorded TB1.   Even more so as this chap has Pink Floyd as his favorite group - so same era!

I think MO will still be popular in 50 years as it will take that long for people to realise how good some of his material actually is.

It is also an amazing feat to have listened to it for 33 years - none stop (:))

This was interesting to read Ray, and I do agree with you about the future. I feel, quite strongly actually, that he is an artist that will live through time, and be rediscovered many times over. Rather a wonderful thing that! There will always be a place for him.

Your friend must have been so engrossed in Pink Floyd not to have taken any real reference of their contemporary , Mike, it seems impossible to us here now. But I think I can probably understand it! It's a very different kind of sound. What's nice is that he was pleasantly surprised at what he'd missed!

And yes, the age thing..being so young having created such a succesful album is just incredible...my own son is nearing that age and I can really see how difficult or even impossible it must have been for Mike to deal with that kind of acclaim ( and all on his own too )

I am looking forward to the next 33 - hopefully more - years of  devoted listening and even if he never releases another note then I can honestly say that I am truly satisfied..musically speaking!


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Posted: Sep. 25 2008, 20:12

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Even more so as this chap has Pink Floyd as his favorite group -

I didn't know that. I was a PF fanatic for a long time, and I've often thought I've perceived Floydian influences in Mike's writing. The guitar playing on Light and Shade, for example, is often very David Gilmouresque. I wonder if his use of "noise" in Amarok was another nod to PF?
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Posted: Sep. 25 2008, 20:16

Also where I live (Italy) Mike is not generally recognized as a guitarist - indeed when the TBII Edimburgh show was first broadcast here, I (who at the time had just gotten into him) was wondering: how come this Mike Oldfield guy plays guitar all the time? Shouldn't he play keyboards as well? :D It was only after I heard the original TB (1973), and, subsequently, most of the other albums, that I realized that he's really a multi-instrumentalist whose main instrument is the guitar. However, in Italy, multi-instrumentalism as a concept doesn't really exist, as most Italian musicians are only specialized in one instrument and can just barely get a tune out of any other instrument. For example, many pianists and keyboardists play guitar, for example, but they only strum basic rhythms - you'll never catch any of them even attempting to do a solo. :D So, obviously, the nature of a multi-instrumentalist like Mike Oldfield is somehow lost here. All this without counting, of course, that his biggest-ever hit, here, was "Moonlight Shadow", which only bore his name on the front cover although it was sung by a woman (whose name was only mentioned on the 45-RPM's label). A few people I know still think that "Mike Oldfield" is a pseudonym for a woman singer, and ask me where did she end up after the Eighties. :laugh:

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Posted: Sep. 26 2008, 06:57

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Even more so as this chap has Pink Floyd as his favorite group -

I didn't know that. I was a PF fanatic for a long time, and I've often thought I've perceived Floydian influences in Mike's writing. The guitar playing on Light and Shade, for example, is often very David Gilmouresque. I wonder if his use of "noise" in Amarok was another nod to PF?

Yes - that was what i meant.   As the guy was a PF fan I would have expected hi to have heard of MO.  (:))

Ray   :cool:


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Posted: Sep. 26 2008, 09:11

I think people in general still have a limited understanding of who Mike Oldfield is outside of his fanbase.Certainly in this country anyway.I`d say your average listener is undoubtably aware of Tubular Bells but then how many of those people will have heard beyond The Exorcist bit?.."Oh yeah that`s the guy who played that piano thing from the horror movie".And then as Ugo mentions you`ll get a few who will MAYBE remember it was Mike who did Moonlight Shadow.So the guitar solos on that song are pretty darn amazing imo but I wonder how many of those people actualy know it`s Mike playing them?How many even notice them at all in fact?The fact that it`s not him singing it just adds to the confusion.I can remember hearing this song at work years ago and a colleague of mine remarked.."Oh this is one of my favourite songs of all time...Who is it by?...Who"?

And then outside of that there`s maybe people who know Mike for doing Portsmouth or In Dulcio Jublio(it`s on Now Christmas 947) or even the Blue Peter theme??..I mean I can take on board some of the Pink Floyd comparisons here to an extent.But with all due respect I think if your average PF fan heard those tracks as an introduction to Mike Oldfield.Then I dare say a high percentage of those people will right him off as some cheesy folkster dude.They`ll probably be wondering why he sounds so bloody happy for a start?But then so do a lot of people compared to Roger Funtime Waters.So ok I`m generalising wildly there I know but I honestly think that`s how it is for a lot of people.

And then the big addition to that is "Where`s the style kudous"?..You know that little thing that can often trigger the ball rolling for a lot of people.It`s kind of the"The how cool am I going to look if I start to listening to Mike Oldfield factor"? if you like.I mean the media/rock press hardly ever mention him do they?And yet you still can`t bloody move for discussions about Floyd and early Genesis and Led Zep ad-infintum.Obviously it does`nt help that the poor dears hav`nt got any lyrics to talk about for the most part.And maybe generaly that`s part of the problem anyway!?But it`s a strange thing in a way because if you go onto any one of those band`s related forums it`s simply amazing how many similar threads there are naming all the latest darlings of the music press.And of course when Mike does at least get a mention here and there he`s always classed as some jack of all trades multi-instrumentalist.This shy hippy kid locked away in a studio making albums about trees or something???..You know I don`t think they can get a handle on the guy.So then consequently they`d probably rather not mention that as a guitar player his playing has often been innovative,complex and emotionaly charged.You know and that`s just the tip of the iceberg for me.

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I think MO will still be popular in 50 years as it will take that long for people to realise how good some of his material actually is.


I totaly agree with that wholeheartedly and I honestly do think Mike will become more recognised/appreciated for his musical acheivments in the future.I think when some of Mike`s own many and various  "stylistic" directions have kind of been smoothed over through the course of time if you like.Then you have to kind of hope I guess (assuming people will still have the "ears" to listen!?) that his music will be allowed to stand up in it`s own right as the great body of work it is..So this is just a bit of fun but maybe in 50 years time we could see something like this.
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Posted: Sep. 26 2008, 09:59

That is briiliant Dirk!!!!

 The thing about Mike is he himself doesn't class himself as a muti-instrumentalist,rather as a guitarist that enjoys getting tunes from different instruments.It's a weird thing that people see him a keyboardist though.OK TB starts with a piano but the guitar's all over it and many of his pieces are guitar led and Moonlight Shadow even starts with a guitar ferchrisakes!
 I've said a million times that he's underated among all but the fans and some guitarists but i still don't,and never will,understand the keyboard thing.Even my keyboard played knows he's really a guitarist!
 Maybe if the press took the blinkers off about him they'd realise.Don't hold your breath though. :)


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Posted: Sep. 26 2008, 13:59

Quote (Dirk Star @ Sep. 26 2008, 09:11)
...this is just a bit of fun but maybe in 50 years time we could see something like this.

:laugh:  I nearly busted a gut over your "Guitar God Monthly", Dirk. Thanks! Could we, perhaps, see a series of these? After all, every issue would feature Mike, right??


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Posted: Sep. 26 2008, 14:11

Quote (Ray @ Sep. 25 2008, 21:48)
I'll be competing with MITR and Mr Y for top fan spot next...

All the fans who has come at my place know I am the top fan....Even your wife told this, one year ago...

Sorry, but you are just just behind me....or maybe MITR....

:D  :D  :D

PS: you are still right...it is a shame I don't play


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Posted: Sep. 26 2008, 15:19

MO is a composer who plays guitar with feeling - and those of us who recognise his playing feel "at home" when he plays.  It's not to do with technique but feel.
This said I was completely amazed when I watched him in at the UK gigs in 1980.  For an electric guitarist he's got a dam strange technique!
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Posted: Sep. 26 2008, 15:30

All nails and violin vibrato.Very hard work.Interesting you mention that it's all about the feel.What i like most about his playing (and this from a guitarist point of view)is the emotional 'weight' of his phrasing  but it's backed up by an incredible technique.He is an incredibly technical player (just try it)but it is in the service of feel which is what makes it work.
 How does he do that vibrato thing?I know the theory cos it's violin vib but to all that and stop every string that's not in use?In the words of Mr Stanshall...."Buggered if i know.Yes buggered if i know" :laugh:


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Posted: Sep. 26 2008, 17:41

As I already said elsewhere, his fingering and string-stopping techniques come straight from his playing of folk music on acoustic guitar, and he just adapted them to the electric one. When he was a kid he practiced in his room for hours and hours playing nothing but acoustic guitar folk stuff - things like Bert Jansch's "Angie". That's where most of his technical prowess comes from.

About the violin-like vibrato, I don't really know. But he stated that he used to play two 15-minute pieces on his guitar in folk clubs; every now and then, during those pieces, he bent the strings way beyond the limits of normal bending, as he had them quite slack. So maybe the great amount of vibrato he uses is reminiscent of the kind of sounds he used to produce with that extreme bending...


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Posted: Sep. 26 2008, 22:08

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...this is just a bit of fun but maybe in 50 years time we could see something like this.

:laugh:  I nearly busted a gut over your "Guitar God Monthly", Dirk. Thanks! Could we, perhaps, see a series of these? After all, every issue would feature Mike, right??

Cheers Sweetpea and to The Caveman there as well."Moonlight Shadow DOES start with a guitar ferchrissakes".Heh heh get them bloomin` well told good and proper.. :laugh:

Mike would have to be in every issue no doubt about it.You know it would be like having The Beatles Book with no Beatles in it.."Oh we`ll just make do with Oasis this month and see if anybody realises"?...Mediocrity no more I tell yer`s.. :p As for a whole series of the things?Well I foolshly thought that I`d be able to knock that thing off in ten minutes or something.But then over an hour later and I was still fiddling about with it with my tongue sticking out the corner of my mouth and everything.Having said that it took me over 20 minutes figuring out how to make the text go white so the next one would be easier I guess.Graphic designers???..Pah!
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Posted: Sep. 27 2008, 02:59

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I foolshly thought that I`d be able to knock that thing off in ten minutes or something.But then over an hour later and I was still fiddling about with it with my tongue sticking out the corner of my mouth and everything.Having said that it took me over 20 minutes figuring out how to make the text go white so the next one would be easier I guess.Graphic designers???..Pah!

Well, I was inspired by your creation, Dirk, and spent three hours on the October 2058 issue of GUITAR GOD MONTHLY. Now I need to go and eat 'cause I skipped dinner and I'm starving. All that click-and-drag really works up an appetite!


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Posted: Sep. 27 2008, 06:46

:laugh: Absolutely fanatastic stuff Sweetpea.Obviously they made so much money off the September issue they could afford to get somebody in who knew what the hell they were doing for the next one.Graphic Designers?.. I take it all back...And Tubuland??..Heh heh I`m already sitting on the edge of my edge seat here with excited anticipation..The Ommadawn Rollercoaster perhaps?...The Lake Logflumes??...The Tres Lunas Tea Cup Ride Experience???..Oh man I can hardly wait for that thing..And I`ll never be sick of beer & cheese I tell yer`s...NEVER!!!..Well ok maybe just a tad.   :p
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Posted: Sep. 27 2008, 10:11

It's one of the things that annoys me and drive me nuts regarding MO - his guitar playing skills aren't reconized the way he deserves!

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Posted: Sep. 28 2008, 07:26

This has become a bad habit, but I couldn't resist another one. I think it must be obvious I agree with everyone, here, that Mike deserves more recognition.

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Posted: Sep. 28 2008, 16:03

:D Another belting bumper packed bonanza there Sweetpea.Well I have to admit the december issue was just too good to resist I could`nt help myself..And no more..I promise..  :p
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Posted: Sep. 29 2008, 00:16

"Bass Mike hit a bum note and in perfect unison 34 guys turned round and gave him a dirty look."  :laugh:  I'd like to see more of that story. I imagine they'd do a great "Ambient Guitars". And I'm envious of your title font, there, Dirk. Also like the Santa hat - I don't know how to do that.

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Posted: Oct. 10 2008, 12:51

I just had another look at this.Brilliant idea for a magazine.I notice on one of the Sweetpea designed ones you mention the Mike Oldfield Commune.My idea has come true!You have an amazing memory Sweetpea.As i remeber the idea was to buy either Througham Slad or the Beacon and turn it into a commune of hardcore fans (like all us here).Brilliant!And i love the idea of the MOseum.More please!!! :laugh:

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