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Posted: Feb. 11 2004, 08:49

Maybe it has been discussed here before, I don't know coz I am new to Tubular net, but I think the differences between CDs and LPs greatly effects how we listen to music. Talking especially about Mike Oldfield's music ofcourse, but it does apply to everything else too.

Years ago, to listen to a new album on vinyl was an event. It was special. You had to stop and listen. There was a sense of anticipation at the start as you watched the needle move across the groove.There was a natural break to turn it over onto the B side. You gave the music your time.

CDs now, by their very nature, are instant, can be very inexpensive and can be listened to anywhere. (this is great too ofcourse). However, it's all too easy. You can do other things and be distracted. But then I do like personal CD players and I think they may be going some way to encouraging people to listen to music properly.

But the CD itself- it's cheap and valueless. They are given away in newspapers! a teacher at my children's school even decorated a classroom wall with them (not Mike Oldfield ones!;) And they are so small. One of the best things about LPs was the art work. So much went into it. It was a big part of the music. I'm sure it helped to sell it. With CDs there's too much unfolding!

To listen to Tubular Bells the re-recorded version on CD was interesting. It was such an important vinyl album and to hear it on CD was amazing. Both are brilliant but both are so different, one flows and the other is fragmented.It still works though.

For all the youngsters this may be nostalgic nonsense - but I really long for pieces of music with no songs (much as I like them and memorable as they are) I just miss the musical journeys. I don't think I'm alone in this? Maybe Mike's next release could be on vinyl also.


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Posted: Feb. 12 2004, 08:49

I have to admit that purely for nostalgia's sake I prefer vinyl.  Sometime I play my treasured collection on my turntable.  For quality it has to be cd without a doubt.  As for the advent of SACD and the 5.1 format, you have to wonder just how much better playback quality can get.

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Posted: Feb. 12 2004, 13:59

Hello Michelle,have'nt i seen you somewhere else ;) .
I have never really seen the big deal about vinyl,i love CD's,they are so much more practical than big clumsy vinyl,and the sound quality is amazing,and it lasts for a lot longer,and they are easier to store,plus you can't take vinyl to your car,you can copy vinyl to tape,but you loose a lot of quality.I have'nt played a vinyl record for years,and don't see any reason to change.
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Posted: Feb. 12 2004, 14:20

Yes, it's a wonderful ritual...of course, if you don't enjoy the ritual, as some don't, you'll just find records irritating.

I quite like having the two sides when they're used well. I like the way with albums like Ommadawn, it gives a bit of time to breathe and take in what's just happened, before turning over to the other side. Also nice is the way things can be arranged - on Dire Straits' first album, for example, side one starts with 'Down to the Waterline' which is a song about Newcastle, and ends with 'Southbound Again' which is about travelling down south...which is continued on side two, where the songs are more London orientated. It's a very subtle thing, but I like it.

I'm sure that improvements can still be made in music distribution  formats, but at the moment, the limiting factor is increasingly the playback equipment - loudspeakers can only reproduce signals with a certain fidelity, and once the recording contains more detail than they can reproduce, there's no point making the recording any better quality until the loudspeakers are improved (well, there is a case for making as good a master recording as possible, but perhaps not so much point in distributing it in such high quality, if nobody will hear the difference) - the same goes with all the rest of the components of the chain. But then comes the question of whether absolute fidelity is actually best - the fact that some people favour valve amplifiers and analogue recordings is a sign that people actually find the distortions which they introduce pleasing. Similar with speakers - I wandered into a hifi shop today where they had a fairly expensive pair of speakers on demo. They sounded very inaccurate to me, being more used to studio monitoring speakers, but the sound wasn't unpleasant - just it enhanced the music, rather than presenting what was on the recording as it really was.
At the same time, I saw a couple looking at a 5.1 speaker system. One said to the other "Hey look, there are five of those, we could put two behind one sofa, two behind the other, and one on top of the telly" - so much for fidelity!
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Posted: Feb. 14 2004, 11:34

I personally don't own any Oldfield albums in vinyl, but someday, I'll put my hands on that big, shiny Tubular Bells LP I've seen, ah, someday...

Yeah, I know I have talked about this several times before, so I apologise. I, too, enjoy LPs. They feel more organic than CD's. The imperfection of the sound only adds to it, in most cases. Plus, the "two sides" thing helps a lot, indeed. "Fear Of Music" will always be "two separate albums in one disc", for me, not "one album"; and it's really cyclical, not linear.

The one thing I really dislike is thin LPs. What's up with doing such thin records? Before I play 'em, I wipe them with my hand, to clean all the dust. And when they're thin, they flop and bend like hell. It's irritating. U2's "Achtung Baby" feels like paper to the touch.


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Posted: Feb. 14 2004, 14:40

The thin records are no doubt a money saving thing - they'd save a heck of a lot of vinyl, over a large number, by making them a few millimetres thinner. They seemed to get progressively lighter as time went on - I have some from the mid 60s which are incredibly heavy (and inflexible) when compared to LPs from about 10 years later. I'd say that the heavier discs are less likely to warp, though that could just be my experience.
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Posted: Feb. 14 2004, 18:07

dvd

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Posted: Feb. 14 2004, 19:14

Well, saving up vinyl is a good reason, indeed. I haven't thought of that. Well, anyway, I was half-joking in my last statement. :) I have seen a record from 1966, and man, that one is one huge, thick vinyl cookie. It's almost scary, you know...

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Posted: Feb. 14 2004, 19:21

Quote (The Big BellEnd @ Feb. 14 2004, 23:07)
dvd

Perhaps you'd like to elaborate on that, seeing as DVD wasn't one of the choices!  :p
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Posted: Feb. 15 2004, 04:28

Quote (Sir Mustapha @ Feb. 15 2004, 00:14)
I have seen a record from 1966, and man, that one is one huge, thick vinyl cookie. It's almost scary, you know...


you should see the thickness of the old 78rpm records!!!!! the thickness of two LPs on top of each other, and they shatter into bits when dropped  :(  i know i recently lost a treasured ella fitzgerald that way

But the LP format DID have an organic feel to it.  Imagine listening to Tubular Bells through one little speaker that was inbuilt into the record player - mine was a dansette ! - and  when my parents could afford it a stereo ! the leap was amazing and was like listening to a whole new album. And now 5.1 and yes the speakers are placed correctly  :D  and it is just mindblowing.  And the one constant throughout all of this 'progress' is being able to follow it with the same album.  Feels kind of weird in a way.


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Posted: Feb. 15 2004, 17:42

as a child of the sixties I had to endure vinyl on the treat that was mono then on the hi fi heaven of stereo,call me cynical but the age of digital sound clarity via DISC ET DVD is way better .Iwill try not to get nostalgic if i can but album covers for vinyl were fantastic.Even now as a man in his 4TEES I would love to get carried away on   the emotional wave of retro,.... that is I remember when ,but I do remember when and the now ,and the digital age is here and it sounds good

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Posted: Feb. 16 2004, 17:28

To dreamweaver; although my comment's may appear as a follow up to your's they are not .I hope that you take no offence to my meanderings yours T B B

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Posted: Feb. 17 2004, 12:45

dear TBB
no offence taken at all  :p   i like meandering a bit meself....


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Posted: Feb. 17 2004, 17:12

I prefer CDs because I love the warmth of vynils but I hate pops and cracks. :)

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Posted: Feb. 17 2004, 19:39

I hate pop and crack too, but I like vinyl  :p
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