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Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Oct. 23 2001, 19:43 Hi all. Reading Delfin's Contest topic, where some of us made ample use of Chris Kimber's Complete MO Reference Guide, right here on TW ( http://tubular.net/tcmorg ), I was reminded that the guide also contains a mistakes section, so please take a look at it before posting here. Mike's discs contain lots of mistakes, anomalies and strange things. I'll list some of 'em that are not in Chris' guide. All the other forum members, please add... anything suspect, strange or unusual in Mike's works is more than welcome. This is not a contest. 1) The drum loop in Celt (QE2) seems to go very slightly out of tempo (i.e. a bit slower) everytime it re-starts (at every beat). 2) Incantations 4, 16'18'': the line "Bless us then with wishèd sight" is wrongly double-tracked, i.e. the right-hand voice sings "wishèd" before the left-hand voice sings it, thus causing a little spoiling in what is elsewhere a very regular rhytmical cadence. 3) Two missing bass-drum beats [thus creating something like a 5/4 or 7/8 bar in a VERY regular 4/4 rhythm], on 14'35'' secs and 14'55'' secs of Incantations 1. 4) Someone talking at 7'39'' in TB part 1, right after the double bass mistake (7'34''). Maybe this is Lindsay Cooper (the double bass player) saying "I'm sorry". 5) Also from TB part 1: guitar-fret squeaking at 9'39'' and Mike breathing (inhaling with his nose) at various points in his steel-string guitar solo [most noticeable at 9'46'', but happens in several other points ... Mike is really FEELING this solo into his soul. ]. ...and of course... 6) Mike says "F*ck off" at the very end of Music From The Balcony... -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Oct. 23 2001, 19:50 Re point 5: While listening to that solo, I can really imagine Mike doing it... as the "Making of TB" article says (in the Articles section of TW)..."sitting cross-legged like a Turk, on the floor, his eyes closed..." ...his typical pose... -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Oct. 23 2001, 19:54 Oh, by the way: Viv Stanshall says "Grand pianeu" at the start of his TB section. VERY British!!! -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

TimHighfield Group: Members Posts: 543 Joined: Oct. 2000 Posted: Oct. 24 2001, 05:36 The only one I can think of (and I'm probably wrong about this anyway), is in Tubular Bells Part One, in the MC section, after Viv has announced, "Spanish guitar and introducing acoustic guitar". At 22'37", it always seems to me that an extra note is played. But it's probably just me. -Tim- Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Oct. 24 2001, 05:47 Yes, it's an extra G#. Maybe Mike wasn't convinced that the slided-on G# was hearable and so he repeated it... but it doesn't sound bad. Nice one, Tim. P.S. Korgscrew, where are you? -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

dgcaer Group: Members Posts: 72 Joined: Dec. 2000 Posted: Oct. 24 2001, 10:05 In the piece The Sailors Hornpipe (or the Drunken Hornpipe; the version with the text by Vivian Stanshall), there is someone laughing at 1:30. Maybe Mike Oldfield himself. Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Oct. 24 2001, 11:20 According to the "Making of TB" article I mentioned above, that kind of 'pageant' was as follows: Viv Stanshall, Mike (on mandolin), Tom Newman (acoustic guitar) and someone else on the pennywhistle (not really hearable on the recording). At 1:30 Mike gets his mandolin passage perfectly right, so it may be Tom laughing... obviously laughing at a completely drunk Stanshall and at his stumbling over "anthropology". Anyway, VERY nice one, dgcaer. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

Korgscrew Group: Super Admins Posts: 3511 Joined: Dec. 1999 Posted: Oct. 24 2001, 16:55 If you insist... Some of the oddities which aren't listed in the MO reference guide are in my discography - the voices on TB after the bass part is one such thing. I'd also not totally agree with some of the mistakes in the MORG (such as the 'bad edit' in Gimme Back - I'd say that was deliberate), but that's another matter really... As well as Music From The balcony, there is also some talking at the end of "Heaven's Open" - a couple of them saying things along the lines of "that was good". I suspected that the laughing on The Sailor's Hornpipe is another person - Mike and Tom are moving around (in the stereo, or quadrophonic image) and the laughter is in a different place to them, as I remember. I wonder if Viv recorded his part separately... There's a bleedthrough of the horn section parts on 'Charleston' (Platinum part 3) during the vocal parts. Take a close listen and you'll hear it very faintly. There are loads of bits all over the place which I forget right now...there's a tape drop-out at the end of Taurus I, not sure if that's listed on the reference guide. I'll leave it at that for now. Back to top

dgcaer Group: Members Posts: 72 Joined: Dec. 2000 Posted: Oct. 25 2001, 12:47 In the piece Don Alfonso (short version and english), we hear someone breathing with is nose (excuse my poor english, Quebecer talk french) (sniffing ???) at 3:35. It's surely David Bedford. He is the singer. Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Oct. 25 2001, 16:40 Nice one again, dgcaer... yes, it's David. P.S. Don't be sorry for your English, you absolutely don't have to. I'm Italian... -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

ChiRho Group: Members Posts: 195 Joined: Feb. 2001 Posted: Oct. 30 2001, 03:50 Not quite a musical mistakes, but there is that awful typo on the back of the cover for Turbular Bells -------------- <P>Mr. ChiRho Email to chirho@mine.nu.almost (guess what drops) Visit ChiRho Network Central [URL=http://www.chirho.i12.com/]http://www.chirho.mine.nu/[/URL] Check the forums (topic suggestions still welcome[URL=http://forum.chirho.mine.nu/]http://forum.chirho.mine.nu/[/URL] Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Oct. 30 2001, 16:14 ??? -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

dgcaer Group: Members Posts: 72 Joined: Dec. 2000 Posted: Oct. 31 2001, 11:55 Ugo, How can you know my name is David ? Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Oct. 31 2001, 18:22 Hahahahahahahahahahaha.... I didn't know that. Honest. I was referring to David Bedford. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

dgcaer Group: Members Posts: 72 Joined: Dec. 2000 Posted: Nov. 01 2001, 12:32 I'm so stupid. Haha ! I should read better the messages !!! It's the second time I do that. (The first when I say you know (Ugo) the meaning of the lyrics in Hergest Ridge) Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Nov. 02 2001, 18:17 Korgscrew---> you wrote: Quote I suspected that the laughing on The Sailor's Hornpipe is another person - Mike and Tom are moving around (in the stereo, or quadrophonic image) and the laughter is in a different place to them, as I remember. I wonder if Viv recorded his part separately... On my CD, containing an mp3-turned-to-.wav of the Drunk Hornpipe (which I found on some rarities site), the acoustic guitar (Tom Newman) is always on the left, and in that point the laughter is also there. According to the 'Making of TB' article, the whole thing (as I already wrote some messages ago) was recorded as a pageant, or a procession, through the Manor studios, with Viv leading, Mike and Tom following him and maybe someone else playing the pennywhistle after them. According to Newman, almost all of it was improvised, including Viv's commentary -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

Korgscrew Group: Super Admins Posts: 3511 Joined: Dec. 1999 Posted: Nov. 02 2001, 22:12 You perhaps have a different mix of it (though I wasn't aware there was more than one...). On what I have here, the guitar and mandolin definitely both move around. At the point of the laugh, they are on the other side of the image from the laugh. Viv stays static, and interestingly, the foot stomping sounds aren't being picked up on his mic...this would seem to suggest that he wasn't in the same place as Tom and Mike when he recorded his part... (they may have spaced mics around and then panned them into different places, then Viv stayed close to one, perhaps with Simon Heyworth sat next to him giggling...). Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Nov. 03 2001, 17:21 Interesting, Rich. Maybe we could put on a sub-topic about oddities apperaring in different mixes of the same track (excluding of course the HR remix), but maybe that would really be too much. Oh, I've got two more. 1) On Part II of the Original HR, there is a section in the Thunderstorm (from about 11'44'' onwards) where Mike taps the rhythm with a pair of spoons or something. The first of these taps comes at 11'42'', a little before the rhythm starts properly. 2) We all know that the short version of Pictures in the Dark on an official CD is a very rare item, having only been issued on some The Complete LPs. But the long (full?) version is equally rare, being only on ONE disc... a German dance compilation called EAMS Volume 11. Evidently, whoever compiled that disc did not have the master tape of the song (Mike and/or Virgin didn't give it to them...) and so they had to use the vinyl record. Obviously the track was denoised and declicked, but if you have that CD you can still hear some vinyl clicks during the keyboard/bass intro at the very beginning of the track. P.S. All of the various mp3s of PITD available on the Web (both the short and the long versions) have plenty of clicks. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

Korgscrew Group: Super Admins Posts: 3511 Joined: Dec. 1999 Posted: Nov. 04 2001, 03:51 Those clicks (oh HR) are the nutcracker, in case anyone needed to know... Back to top

dgcaer Group: Members Posts: 72 Joined: Dec. 2000 Posted: Nov. 12 2001, 15:43 In the piece Don Alfonso (long version) we hear the same "sniffing" at 5:24 than on short version at 3:35 !!! The end of both is the same. Back to top

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