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Posted: Aug. 16 2003, 09:50

So he actually recorded a fourth version of Tubular Bells? How many times can he plagiarize himself? "Man in the rain" was already a blatant copy of Moonlight Shadow. Plus, his most recent stuff his terrible. Voyager sucked, TBIII was horrible, Guitars wasn't great, Millenium Bell was a godawful shame. I lost interest and didn't listen much to Tr3s Lunas, I was too afraid to hear a schmalzty newagey uninspired synthathon like Millenium Bell.

That, from a guy that when he was twenty and so, was a grade-A modern composer (not classical tho),  and put to shame Pink Floyd and all other 70s prog artists? This from the guy who wrote Hergest Ridge, Ommadawn? And who evolved in the 80s with brilliant albums like QE2, Platinum, Five Miles Out, Islands? I've listened to those hundreds and hundreds of times, when I was younger. It was really so different from anything else, yet so beautiful and diverse. I loved Islands too, and even Earth Moving, because it was unlike what he did before,and sounded more fm than fm bands! quite a feat, and the songs are good. The fact that Adrian Belew plays on this album is a hint too (some people hate Belew for his fm pop too, yet it's far out in a way, just like Earth Moving)

So the guy can evolve musically, and record radically different kinds of music: Amarok comes after Earth Moving, and it's frickin brilliant. Huge record.
Then it goes downhill: Heaven's Open not too bad, but... sounds as another Earth Moving, only without the ultra naive touch of it that makes EM enjoyable for those who can stand it.
SODT is great. We have a pattern here. "bad album", "great album". EM, Amarok, HO, SOTD

What happened then? All albums after that are absolute crap, imho; I felt ashamed for him when I listened to them. I felt angry, I wanted to cry (Millenium Bell, oh the horror). How can a genius like he was stoop so low? How can he betray himself and the music in such a way? Did he indulge too much in chemical drugs in Ibiza? was he lured into constant repetition by stupid friends, spiritual practices going haywire (hardening the ego process, like in new-age), record company? How could he become this sloppy, this uncaring, this much self-satisfied?

He was a great guitarist, with lots of inspiration, great and orginal tone, feel He came up with really awesome ideas that were in a genre nobody played. The solo on Shine is a good example. It's hugely original, it doesn't sound like anything else. But now now can't play shit. (his vibrato was always somewhat unprecise tho, and has grown worse - a bad gimmick becoming a trademark).

What's happened to the man? The music is not the problem, it's elsewhere, something went very wrong in his life, and maybe it's one of those things mentioned before.

I really feel terrible for him. I hope he gets his act together in the future, and I hope one day he'll make great music again.
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Posted: Aug. 16 2003, 10:07

Well i agree with you that GUITARS and MILLENIUM BELL were not good albums (TRES LUNAS is for me one of the most Boring MO album ever made...)....i also Know why are you complaining about TB2003.Well you have too live with the fact of TB rerecording....i was the one that HAted tb2003.well now i understand that Mike simply wanted to make his famous (and propably greatest) album sounding even better - all those flaws from hte original performance vanished on new version...Well - let Mike do what he want to do.I prefer original TUBULAR BELLS and nothing will make me like TB2003 more.But TB2003 is mike's Dream that came true - now it sonds as powerfull as he wanted to when he was recording it 30 years ago.

About Mike's evolving - Artists Like Peter Gabriel or David Bowie that were starting out in the same era as Mike did are really making Music More original than everything else htat is coming nowdays...just listen to PETERs new album UP or DAVID BOWIE's EARTHLING...and Mike? MIke is doing the things that he likes to do.He is still searching for the new sounds - Songs of the Distant earth are definitly a masterpiece of New age and ambient music and so TB3.VOYAGER is a merry return to his early days and celtic music....He feels satisfied with his works.We can not press him to do something that he do not like to do like Playing NU METAL or INDUSTRIAL ROCK....if he is happy let him be happy...even the Boring and terrible TRES LUNAS made him feel happy and good - all this synth stuff and computer games...IF you were a famous musician would you do the Things that all the people are wanting you to do?i do not think so.You would lead your normal life and do the things that you like to.Mike is doing that.and after he will feel relaxed we can expect a real masterpiece....

and oh - he is still a magnificent guitarist - have you saw him live?


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Posted: Aug. 29 2003, 23:32

Well, this discussion has been happening a lot, and I can't say I agree with much of it. I seem to be one of the few people who enjoys both his recent and older albums. I can catagorically say that MO has never made an album I hate. Sure, there have been albums I don't like as much, but I'd sure prefer Voyager to J-Lo or anything else going around these days. You say that Mike went downhill after TSODE, but I don't agree. Voyager happens to be my least favourite album of Mike's, but there is still the nice tune of Song of the Sun. TBIII happens to be my favourite album of Mikes, which again proves your point of Mike doing bad album then good album. I don't find Guitars and Millennium Bell as bad as many others do: Muse and Summit Day in particular show that he still can make nice tunes. The same goes for Tres Lunas: I love No Man's Land reprise and Return to the Origin (very TSODE, which you may appreciate). Have you heard Brandon Bloom's Tres Lunas 2 mix? The music from MusicVR is much better than the actual album, in my opinion and a lot of other people's opinions. Even though TB2003 is a re-recording, it is his best album in years. He can still play, and he hasn't lost anything in my opinion.

I would strongly, passionately dissagree that Mike has lost his guitaring ability. If anything, he's improved, as the TBII/III and Berlin 2000 DVDs prove. Far Above the Clouds is his best ever solo, and Ambient Guitars has more emotion than I've ever heard from him. Nothing will convince me that Mike cannot play guitar, or that he has lost anything.


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Posted: Aug. 30 2003, 10:15

Hmmm.. I really dont agree on that his best solo is FarAbove The Clouds... I would say that hes best solo is either in Amarok or Dark Star...
In FATC he plays the same tunes over and over... especially when he playes the tones that are really high... its like 2 or 3 same ones.

(Sorry for my english.. Ive had a wild night)


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