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Posted: Mar. 01 2007, 18:44

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/licensing/

Please add your name to this petition and pass this on to as many others as possible

The live music/licensing e-petition currently stands at no.17 in the list of 1,702 petitions on the Number 10website: http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/licensing/

The Government have recently passed laws in the UK to try and suppress live music and dance. Pubs/bars which could previously offer work to solo singers or duos now have to pay for a special licence and can only have 12 of these per year. Even school Xmas concerts need to be licensed.

If you don't know there is a UK government web site where anyone can now start a petition and that's what is being done. we've just received the following email which explains things more clearly and gives the site
address .

If you care about keeping music live please take the time to
sign the petition.

There are five more months in which people can sign. (CLOSING DATE: 11 June 2007).
But the petition needs to do much better to make an impression on ministers and to encourage DCMS to implement music-friendly amendments. The petition is for everyone, not just musicians. Please consider signing if you haven't already done so. If you have signed, encourage friends to sign. Points to remember about the new legislation:

a.. The unlicensed provision of even one musician is a potential criminal offence (although some places are exempt, including places of public religious worship, royal palaces and moving vehicles). Max penalty: £20,000 fine and six months in prison.

b.. The rationale is to prevent noise, crime and disorder, to ensure
public safety, and the protection of children from harm.

c.. But broadcast entertainment, including sport and music, is exempt - no matter where, and no matter how powerfully amplified.

d.. In the transition to the new regime, bars with jukeboxes, CD players etc. were automatically granted a license to play recorded music; but their automatic entitlement to one or two musicians was abolished.

e.. For the first time, private performances raising money for charity are licensable.

f.. School performances open to friends and family are licensable - they count as public performances.

g.. Under the old regime all premises licensed to sell alcohol for
consumption on the premises were automatically allowed up to two live musicians (the 'two in a bar rule';).

h.. In December, DCMS published research confirming that about 40% of these have lost any automatic entitlement to live music as a result of the new Act: 'Very few establishments that wanted a new license were denied it, and many who were previously limited to 2-in-a-bar now have course, with the fact that 40% of establishments now have no automatic means of putting on live music (i.e. they would have to give a Temporary
Event Notice).'

['Licensing Act 2003: The experience of smaller establishments in
applying for live music authorization'; December 2006', paragraphs 6.1.1 and 6.1.2 'Conclusions', p54; Caroline Callahan, Andy Martin, Anna Pierce, Ipsos-MORI]. Temporary Event Notice - in effect a temporary entertainment licence. Only 12 are allowed per premises per year. They cost £21 each.

See the full MORI reports on this site:

http://www.culture.gov.uk/Reference/ link to sign petition is here..

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/licensing/


Thanks everyone. Please email this to everyone you know, post it on other forums, myspace it, whatever you can do.

I think this proposed law is ridiculous, ludicrous, outrageous. If I was a landlady of a pub and say Mike came in one night with instruments ,(as I sure he did in Kington), and maybe with a musician friend , I'd love to see Mike and Brian May play together.  I would love him/them to play an impromtu jam. But so I gather under this new law I (and any musicians too I gather) could be punished with a £20,000 fine and 6 month imprisonment Mad . However a DJ playing music , or a football match , or music from a jukebox is exempt, how absurd Confused . Kids school plays and free charity events would also be subject to this ruling.
How will this prevent crime, disorder , ensure public saftey or prevent kids from harm?? Confused . Go into any town centre on a Friday or Saturday night and I'm sure most of the problems are caused by nightclubs staying open 'till the early hours , and they play previously recorded music, or by people who drink too much and can't handle their beer, plus pub kicking out time is usually the same time across the board.

Say if I was to go to Stonehenge with a few friends and two of us were quietly playing instruments, not harming anyone, the playing musicians are breaking the law. Whereas a pub in a residential area could pump out recorded music or a sports match at more or less whatever volume the landlord pleases. The HYPOCRISY STINKS. I think this Blair government is all about taking away a persons freedom. I always thought this Fair Isle of Albion was a free country, not anymore. Does this mean I'll soon need a licence to practise playing my acoustic guitar in my own home??? I mean if it's summer neighbours could overhear me then I'm broadcasting live "music" (not that my guitar playing is musical), in public. Does this mean I can only play my guitar 12 times a year and have to decide in advance when I wish to play and give sufficient notice to my local council Confused .


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Posted: Mar. 02 2007, 04:33

OH

MY

GOD.


Ok, i wouldnt usually rant about the british government, but this is getting ridiculous.

Where I live (North of Ireland) as you all may know, it is under british occupation. so, whatever happens on that law, happens to me too, and with the added fact that here there are tonnes of talented bands and musicians with an almost non existant music industry, it was predicted to explode quite soon with help of already well established Irish bands setting up events and rehersal suites in inner city belfast.

and the only place most young bands can start is in small pubs that can bareley scrape by, these small pubs will never have teh cash to buy one of these licenses, and at that, wont bother.

right now, my band is it a better position that it was  three years ago, we now can play venues that speacialise in live music, but with this new law, im starting to doubt any of my musical dreams are possible, as we still hve to revert sometimes to the small dive pubs and clubs. that may not allow us to do it anymore thanks to the fact they dont make enough money to pay for that.

Busking would then become illegal too then yeah?

Thank you again, Mr Blair. you have proved once again my hatred for the british establishment.


This has made me so angry...


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Matt Offline




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Posted: Mar. 02 2007, 07:14

I hate the nanny state and I hate excessive legislation.

However, before I add my pawprint to this one I think I want to understand a bit more about the issues. From my quick scan of the original MORI report (link below) they did not feel that the legislation had restricted the ability of small establishments to put live performances on. I am still trying to pin down the legislation details but the bits I have found so far indicated to me that spontaneous playing at reasonable volumes was allowed and that the extra licence had been taken up fairly easily by establishments who put on the odd gig.

I may be very wrong here and would ask anyone who knows details on this topic please to add more information.

I think the MORI report is in the"Full report" PDF linked here.

Once I have satisfied myself of the importance of this I do know lots of people this time that I can ask to sign up as well (unlike the we love Mike give him an OBE petition)!


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Posted: Mar. 02 2007, 13:29

That's absurd, and pretty much pales in comparison to the ban on raves with "music with repetitive beats", from 1994 or so. What an atrocity.

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Posted: Mar. 07 2007, 14:49

I signed the petition :D

The sooner we rid our country of this government,the sooner Britain will become "Great" again.  :(
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Posted: Mar. 07 2007, 19:45

Quote (Bleat @ Mar. 07 2007, 19:49)
I signed the petition :D

The sooner we rid our country of this government,the sooner Britain will become "Great" again.  :(

Yeah too right, but the only way we're going to defeat the government is by  the ballot box, unless anyone has some more radical ideas.  
I feel Keir Hardy (founder of the Labour Party) would be turning in his grave if he could see the current shower of s**te IMHO running the country,Socialists ??? not New Labour!!!! NHS and public transport a mess.
Paedophiles set free whilst sick/disabled people who grow a little cannabis to make their condition more bearable are given community service, fines or suspended sentences. I looked after my husbandwith MS (now separated) for 8 years, the only thing that would stop him shaking at night and in turn I have a peaceful nights sleep was cannabis. Who is more risk, a person growing a little cannabisfor his/her own use and benefiting those with medical conditions ,or some predatory pervert???

Sorry gone a little off topic there, but I feel there's so much voter apathy, I can't blame them. I did think last election Charles Kennedy could've got that bit nearer No.10, as the other main 2 are more of the same again:zzz: .  Should everyone over 18 who's eligible be forced to vote, Yes and no as if people don't want to vote I guess you cant make them , but maybe if there was a box on the ballot paper "You're all a bunch of $(&%^*£*!&"  anyway     :cool:, then that would register as a  vote but for no-one    ;)


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It finally happened, I'm slightly mad , just very slightly mad

If you feel a little glum to Hergest Ridge you should come.


I'm challenging  taboos surrounding mental health


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Posted: Mar. 08 2007, 13:47

I vote The "MoonChild Hippy Party" for government yyaay!


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Posted: Mar. 08 2007, 16:31

:/ i think i can't sign this petition like the other petition in another topic about  Mike because i'm not British . But i want to tell you , in France , we have got now a similar bad law about copyrights ,internet and music online . Nobody was interested by this too complicated law and finally it was voted by the French National Assembly who is  in majority with the French government . And now we have a constraining law that nobody understand . It's a shame !
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Posted: Mar. 09 2007, 08:01

the government is so very good at making money!!  :D


And they work extremely hard to make all those beautiful laws and rules for us!!
They're adorable, aren't they  :)


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Posted: Sep. 05 2007, 10:21

Quick follow up on this for anyone interested. If you look at the results of the Live Music Forums findings on their investigation of this law, they seem recommend a number of changes and exemptions that would make things a bit more reasonable. Or that's my take on it anyway.

Documents can be found here. Lets hope they fix things quickly. Especially things the report states need fixed "as a matter of urgency"!


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