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Posted: Aug. 28 2005, 18:19

There is still a question that I keep coming back to, Why do we like Mike's music so much? As a result of listening to it some very interesting discussions have arisen here on the forum, and I for one have learnt a great deal reading through the posts. So we all have opinions and listen for a variety of reasons. I listen to a lot of music, I have an eclectic taste and will willingly give anything a go, but I still come back to you know who! There's something more in his music, indescribable and magical (for want of a better word). I love this music so much, it hurts. That's quite powerful.

When we listen to music we hear melodies, chord changes, rhythms - & other tecnical stuff I don't know the name of, it's all recognisable on a conscious level. I think there's more. Is there a space between the sounds that 'pulls' us in? Like when an artist draws an object, they look at the neagative space around it, not just the physical form, and draw that space also. So- a composer presents the invisible/inaudible shapes between the sounds he creates and we as listeners understand them subconsciously. If these shapes fit into the corresponding jigsaw of our brain that deals with music then we want to hear the piece again, and hear more and more each time. Classic Oldfield listening. (and not just the long 70's instrumentals, but Tres Lunas, SODE too) I always feel so much better after having listened to Mike's music, so something about it works for me.

This may not be the most articulate of comments, I know what I'm trying to say, but have rewritten it so many times I've probably clouded it.

A musician is possibly a bit like an alchemist, mixing together  different elements in pursuit of his goal, that one day he'll produce something so precious. An expression of the truth.  :)

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Posted: Aug. 28 2005, 20:28

For me it's the emotion in so much of Mike's music. Why do I feel those emotions while listening? I have no idea.

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Posted: Aug. 28 2005, 20:48

its true yes...
I begin to feel more strong magnet love to mike then vangelis thought... I never thought that would ever happen, but it does. hes music is everything. Just now i play amarok and i feel everything. Its gladness, good mood, anger, and hope... Its something about his music that touch me soo deep. All his tunes and melodies goes deep innside me. They sing what i feel an draw  them in my ears. Just listen to  Amarok africa III baker! When you hear this song begins with words. Then its bulding up a world of feelings. Its a climax to a good end of thousands feelings. This part is something i feel. All this african people thats a symbol of hope and hapiness for me. They are music. The africa III climax is all what i feel about mikes music!!
Its crazy, wonderful, lovely, happiiiii, sad and the rest of our feelings...


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Posted: Aug. 29 2005, 00:19

Quote (bee @ Aug. 28 2005, 18:19)
I think there's more. Is there a space between the sounds that 'pulls' us in? Like when an artist draws an object, they look at the neagative space around it, not just the physical form, and draw that space also. So- a composer presents the invisible/inaudible shapes between the sounds he creates and we as listeners understand them subconsciously. If these shapes fit into the corresponding jigsaw of our brain that deals with music then we want to hear the piece again, and hear more and more each time. Classic Oldfield listening. (and not just the long 70's instrumentals, but Tres Lunas, SODE too) I always feel so much better after having listened to Mike's music, so something about it works for me.

I'm sorry Bee, I have read this passage several times and still do not understand what you are trying to say here. When you talk about pieces fitting like a jigsaw, the only grasp I can make on it is why people like some things and other don't, whether it be music, food, paintings or clothes, whatever. Could it be already predetermined in our brains as to what fits and what doesn't. I read somewhere that is it predetermined what partners we are attracted to, so why not other things? Of course society and our environment has a huge bearing on this, for example, a homeless person might never get the opportunity to discover that he is quite fond of Monet! and if our parents are classical music loving nerds or rock loving hippies, that would have an input. But if this is kind of what you are trying to say then I can go along with that way of thinking. I know for example, that no matter what I say about Mike, not matter how disheartened I may become about what direction he is going in, I will always be drawn to the music and I guess to the man. My tastes in music vary greatly, I can listen to Tool one minute and Gershwin the next and my tastes change, I can like one band one month and not like them the next, but I know I will never break from Mikes music no matter what. I can only compare it to the attachment you have with family being as a general rule stronger than the attachment you have to friends, you are more tolerant, more forgiving. Sometimes you may feel like you are doing it because you have to, rather than because you want to, but it is still your choice to make that decision, you still have control. I do worry about how Mike would feel if he read some of the fans comments on this site, surely he would feel angry and hurt more often than proud and happy. But it is no different than the bitching and moaning we do about our parents or our children or our siblings, most of us would complain about them vastly more than we complain about our friends because we feel more obligated to have to put up with every annoying thing about them. Obviously this Forum is not FOR Mike, it is FOR the fans and if Mike is angry or hurt by me saying that I love him and his music just as much as I love my family, then he is better off not knowing how we feel. I do know that if Mike died, or even if he simply retired from the music business, I will probably cry more than I did when I lost my father. I'm emotional right now. Nuff said.

Tracy

PS - my new avatar is of me holding the oil painting that my brother did for me for my 40th birthday. Have included a clearer copy in 'artwork from Australia'.


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Posted: Aug. 29 2005, 15:05

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Is there a space between the sounds that 'pulls' us in? Like when an artist draws an object, they look at the neagative space around it, not just the physical form, and draw that space also.


The space is like meditation, complete relaxation, not concentration.  This creates a yearning for sound, but also the space refreshes the mind as well, I guess it's light and shade, as in a picture, a picture is what it is because of the different shades of light.  The notes steer your state of mind, and the mind balances between the notes and the gaps, all happening very fast.  Music takes time to evolve, not that you're timing it with a clock, but the notes and gaps always change, just like a movie is made up of lots of different frames.  

That's a scientific explanation, but music is emotional, there's more to it than that.  By "mentally standing back" from what's going on in the music, it is just a state of mind like any other awareness.

Just listening to "Our Father", thanks for that Wayfarer.


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Posted: Aug. 31 2005, 06:19

I guess I find it hard to write it down in words, Tubularbelle. With music, it's all feelings and emotions for me, and I am unable to express my feelings objectively.

I keep wondering about sound and hearing and our individual understanding of music. It means so much to me, and to all of you or why are we members of this website? I just think it's more than just 'hearing' and Mike seems to know this also in the music he gives us.

I get close to the meaning of it all & then it's just out of my grasp: it's as if I have to keep searching. Maybe as you said Dave (Parry), the space is like meditation. I can live with that!!

The reason we have the all of arts is to help explain the workings of our minds. :D


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Posted: Aug. 31 2005, 06:42

I listen for the complexity and the melodies of his music.  

Ommadawn, Pt. 1 is pure genius.


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Posted: Aug. 31 2005, 19:08

One of the many reasons why I like Mike's music is that it belongs to every conceivable music genre while simultaneously not really being a part of any genre. ;)

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Posted: Aug. 31 2005, 20:45

Quote (Ugo @ Sep. 01 2005, 00:08)
One of the many reasons why I like Mike's music is that it belongs to every conceivable music genre while simultaneously not really being a part of any genre. ;)

Spoken like a true teacher, Ugo  :)

For Bee and Tracy, I guess it is about a connection. The music fills part of your soul. So that's where the "gaps" and filling come into play.

The music of Vangelis, and to a lesser degree JMJ did the same for me when I was younger, but don't now. Other artistes have a similar effect, but none have stayed constant like mike and his music.

Yet, not all his compositions do that filling job. I'm deaf to Incantations and Voyager, whereas Ommadawn, TSODE and many others still leave me breathless and in awe after a zillion plays.

So I guess that everyone has thier own musical key, some find it in heavy goth guitars, some classical or whatever. We are here because of our similar needs.

And, to loop back to Ugo, Mike has covered so many variations, some of our needs are different enough to lead to those familar squabbles we find, like siblings fighting in the back of a car on a long road trip.


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Posted: Sep. 01 2005, 08:22

Quote (Ugo @ Aug. 31 2005, 19:08)
One of the many reasons why I like Mike's music is that it belongs to every conceivable music genre while simultaneously not really being a part of any genre. ;)

WOW, that is exactly what I would have said if I had your brain. Spot on. I have always been attracted to eclectic styles, and unusual pairings of styles. That why I get sucked into things like that disco version of Beethovens 5th and stuff like that.

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Quote (TubularBelle @ Sep. 01 2005, 13:22)
I have always been attracted to eclectic styles, and unusual pairings of styles. That why I get sucked into things like that disco version of Beethovens 5th and stuff like that.

Techno monks is my personal preference   :laugh:

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