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BlueTape Group: Members Posts: 143 Joined: Dec. 2000 Posted: July 13 2001, 17:55 I guys and girls I have a new song out if you want to listen the link is below Very nice song http://www.andysplace.fsnet.co.uk/crystal_shapes.mp3 hope you like it BlueTape2k1 -------------- my music website www.bluetape.co.uk Back to top

CarstenKuss Group: Musicians Posts: 362 Joined: Nov. 1999 Posted: July 13 2001, 19:23 Hi BlueTape, just downloaded it. Nice indeed! The repeating bell theme at the beginning reminds me of some famous composer... can't remember the name now ... think it started with a M and an O... I like how these little melodies evolve: circling around two alternating bass notes at first, and then, after a break, just circling around one single note. A simple but smart compository idea. Puts your mind to rest. Very relaxing. Could be fun playing that on the acoustic guitar - maybe I'll try. Keep it up! -Carsten- -------------- -Carsten- Back to top

BlueTape Group: Members Posts: 143 Joined: Dec. 2000 Posted: July 13 2001, 20:30 I'm pleased that you like it I used all my old songs based on the greatest but under-rated Mike Oldfield. I hope that everyone enjoys this song as you can just chill to it and you don't even realise its finished (just me I think) Well I will be planning to make more music but is there any pointers or advice that I should use thanks very much Bluetape2k1 -------------- my music website www.bluetape.co.uk Back to top

Unregistered Posted: July 13 2001, 21:10 censored -- Olivier Back to top

rosko Group: Members Posts: 184 Joined: April 2000 Posted: July 14 2001, 07:35 Olivier: I suggest you delete the above post (and this one) as soon as possible. Someone who expresses their opinion in such a pathetic way doesn't deserve a reply or a place on the board. Back to top

rosko Group: Members Posts: 184 Joined: April 2000 Posted: July 14 2001, 08:09 Great stuff BlueTape, you're really improving. I enjoyed Crystal Shapes far more than your earlier work (which I enjoyed also). While some might argue that your bell theme is derivative of Tubular Bells, I think that the way the melody is written is quite unique and intriguing. Perhaps some more varied chord changes might help to move the melody in new directions - I suggest that you try incorporating this technique in your work. For a basic example, have a listen to a track like Sheba (QE2): at about 1:30 the previous pattern of chord changes (AKA modulations) is changed, varying the mood of the piece. If what I've said doesn't seem to make sense, feel free to tell me and I'd be happy to clarify it for you. Back to top

Unregistered Posted: July 14 2001, 16:13 Rosko, an opinion, no matter how it is expressed is an opinion - if you don't like it then tough. The bell theme you refer to is similar in may ways to the 'musical' output of Mr Oldfield but perhaps that same statement could also be held up against Oldfield's offerings as well. Almost everything is derived from that first album and every other track he releases is a slighty re-worked version of the same. I presume this is what actually got to you - the fact I 'dissed' Oldfield. Well, you have to agree that he (as it is him who has the final say in what get's released) has released the same 'tune' so many times that it's becoming nauseous. It's old and tired and now sounds it. Olfield in the meantime seems to be going through some kind of mid-life crisis in trying to recapture his lost youth (moving to Ibiza, trying to get 'interactive' and so on. But his most recent musical release here in the UK is 'Best of tubular bells' I really do think this is the best illustration of my point. Before that there was tubular bells 3. Before that we had the essential mike oldfield (basically excerpts from previous releases with would you believe it, Tubular bells on it). Before that there was...well need I go on? And all you people just buy anything with his name on it. I have to admire the dude for that - he's managed to live comfortably off that one tune and the way all you sheep buy his stuff, he will continue to do so for the forseeable future. Back to top

Unregistered Posted: July 14 2001, 16:18 Oh, BTW, I was only winding BlueTape up - I know the guy well and have to say his compositions are improving a a high rate and he shows a lot of promise for the future. (Blue, I'll give you that £10 laters) But I still stand by everything I have said about Mike Oldfield and I would love him to defend the charges I laid before him. Back to top

Unregistered Posted: July 14 2001, 16:30 Olivier, you sad twat. Censorship in anyway, shape or form is just saddness of the highest order. This is supposed to be a free world. A forum is a place to express free speech. The internet is supposed to be a world-wide free expression tool. Yet tossers like you come along and decide what people can and can't read. Who gives you the right to decide this? What gives anyone the right to take someone's opinion away? Isn't that one of Hitlers ideas? Perhaps that's it. Just accept one side of a story and destroy anything that indicates desention in the ranks. You have to learn that not everyone likes Mr Oldfield and you have to accept this. Mind you, most 'mods' are tossers anyway - they all think they are on a power trip or something. GET A LIFE. Then you will be able to see the other side and be grown up enough to argue your point in a mature manner and just sweep anything you don't agree with under the carpet. Back to top

ChiRho Group: Members Posts: 195 Joined: Feb. 2001 Posted: July 14 2001, 17:10 I am a staunch supporter of the campaign for free speech, nd since I don't know what was said, then I can't speak with total authority, but censorship is wrong where it is blocking important opinions or fundamentally wrong (i.e. breaching people's human rights), e.g. the Chinese government deciding what should and shouldn't be hosted on servers in their country (they obviously can't own all of them), or saying that people can't say that George W. Bush is a complete wanker (which he is), but in some cases it may be justified (albeit badly). Since I'm guessing that Olivier L. is paying for the server or space that TW is hosted upon, (a site for MO fans, one of which you are obviously not Andy - if that's your real name) he has a right to decide what doesn't go out. In a similar way, the BBC is funded by the people of the UK, therefore it decides its rules in consultation with the people ("Points Of View" anyone?). He probably won't defend your charges, since he doesn't have to. As you say, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and free thought, therefore it is also fundamentally wrong to criticise other peoples' creativity (something of which you are jealous maybe? - remember that we're all good at something) -------------- <P>Mr. ChiRho Email to chirho@mine.nu.almost (guess what drops) Visit ChiRho Network Central [URL=http://www.chirho.i12.com/]http://www.chirho.mine.nu/[/URL] Check the forums (topic suggestions still welcome[URL=http://forum.chirho.mine.nu/]http://forum.chirho.mine.nu/[/URL] Back to top

Unregistered Posted: July 14 2001, 18:19 What is a good publication? A good publication is one that causes controversy. Congrats, BlueTape! Back to top

Unregistered Posted: July 14 2001, 21:39 To: ChiRho 'censorship is wrong where it is blocking important opinions' So what constitutes an important opinion? Who should decide whose opinion is important and whose isn't? What isn't important to one person/group could well be of vital importance to another so if all opinions are not considered/heard/voiced then surely this is wrong. These forums are hardly a matter of life and death but my points are just as valid here as everyone elses is. Even though I don't particulalry like Mike Oldfield's music (with the exception of Songs of Distant Earth which is a superlative piece of work and unique for Mr Oldfield with respect to the fact that its good ) but I don't see why my point of view cannot be addressed on this forum. If I want to give my opinion about him then surely this forum is the place to post? Where it's fundamentally wrong and so obviously wrong I totally support censorship (for example child pornography) but these are very extreme cases which call for extreme measures. No one can argue the case for not censoring such a subject - there is no other side to the argument. Re: Chinese - Totally agree here. Olivier doesn't have the right to supress anyones opinion. He does have a right to address another persons opinion, the ying to the yang perhaps. Surely providing the service of a forum for the discussion of Mike Oldfield he must be willing to accept that some people don't see things from his point of view and that these people will want to state their argument either for or against. The BBC gains it's funding from the general public of the country but this payment is not optional. We are forced into paying this licence fee and I do not agree with this situation especialy in an age of digital satellite and cable. This gives the BBC an unfair advantage in my opinion. In effect, the BBC is governed by the government (which was most obvious during the Gulf War with the setting up of a propaganda unit in 'conjunction' with the BBC and the fact that BBC news was giving a completely different slant to what was happening unlike CNN which was not restrained in such a way) It doesn't really consult with people with respect to taking peoples ideas on-board. This is just a front. Points of view is just a token programme and nothing more. If anything, the viewers who take the time to write in are quite often ridiculed. Then again, the BBC is a totally different subject and this forum is not really the place to go on about it. You are quite correct in saying Mike Oldfield doesn't have to defend himself but you have to admit it would be interesting to hear his reply! 'it is fundamentally wrong to criticise other peoples' creativity' If I don't like something do I not have the right to express this. I could have gone about in a more polite way but as I said in a previous post, I know BlueTape well and know the kind of humour he likes - my calling his work in the way I did he found amusing because he knows I mean the total opposite. I knew others would not understand the humour though. Now, I don't know Mike Oldfield very well (if I did, I'd try an wrangle a free holiday at his place in Ibiza!) but I don't particulary like his music and as such said so. I also said he has basically released the same thing on numerous occasions since 1973 but passing it off as something different. I do give credit where (in my opinion) it is due (I point you to comment earlier in this post about songs of distant earth) Jealous of him. In a way yes, but with respect to the fact he has got away with releasing the same over and over again (and he no-doubt will again especially if he reads my posts - just to wind me up!) Jealous of his music - no! As you said everyone is good at something only he hasn't found out what that is yet. BTW, Andy is my real name (not that it matters anyway) To: advocatus diaboli Good reply m8 and very true. Back to top

rosko Group: Members Posts: 184 Joined: April 2000 Posted: July 15 2001, 03:45 andyr: I don't think there are many people here who think you don't have the right to express your opinion. The problem I had is that you chose to hurl personal insults rather than just criticising a person's work. I can understand that you may have just been winding up BlueTape if you know him personally, but if that's the case then save it for somewhere more private. I agree that BlueTape may have understood that kind of humour, but how does that justify posting it on a public board? Besides, you insulted CarstenKuss too (who as far I know, you don't know in person) which was a truly pathetic display. You inflicted this so-called humour on someone who you probably knew would be offended by it. In response to your arguments about "releasing the same thing", are you aware that Mike Oldfield is not personally responsible for "XXV: The Essential Mike Oldfield" or "The Best of Tubular Bells"? These are both the ideas of Mike's record companies which own the rights the recordings, so Mike had no control over these releases whatsoever. It's important to point out also that Mike has released 20 albums over the years, 80 percent of them having nothing to do with Tubular Bells. I also think that the release of the TB sequels is not without justification, as I have outlined in my post in the "General comments/BELLS, BELLS, BELLS, BELLS, BELLS, BELLS!!!!" forum. There is one final question I'd like to ask you. If the main reason for your remarks is that you simply don't personally like Mike's music, then why express them here? That's like going to a fan convention and yelling out that their favourite artist sucks. If you did that, it's not unreasonable that you'd be asked to leave. Back to top

TimHighfield Group: Members Posts: 543 Joined: Oct. 2000 Posted: July 15 2001, 05:42 andyr: Your comments do have merit. I'm not necessarily agreeing with what you are saying (or said before censorship), but different opinions and free speech are elements of modern society that are now recognised by the mainstream governments/rulers/authorities/chimpanzees/whatever. I, like other people on the fora and in other Mike Oldfield fan "communities", do not like the recurrance of the "Bell", either as a title or as a symbol on unconnected albums. It is, as an article that can be found on this site says, as if "he only sells albums when he calls them "Tubular Bells"". However, we, the fans, are not the authority over Mike Oldfield. He makes music for himself, not us. We are just the consumers. And yes, we do keep buying these albums, despite them being having "Bell" or "Tubular" in the title. Why? I can't answer for everyone. In the case of Tubular Bells II and III, people buy them either because they think they're buying the original one and don't see the numbers, or because they know that they are different to the original, while still keeping some aspects. Yes, there is a repetition of ideas. Yes, some people are annoyed at this, or are starting to think maybe Mike Oldfield can't (be bothered to) think up new ideas. It's not like the rats following the pipe blindly. Not everyone likes every album being a Bell-album. The views aren't restricted to those who aren't fan(atic)s. And even when something like TBIII is released, it generally has a slightly different spin on the themes carried on from the original TB (just look at some of the opinions of fans on the board concerning this album). In contrast, if it's called a Bell just for the sake of it, then it's generally not well received (i.e. The Millennium, um, Bell). Quote Now, I don't know Mike Oldfield very well (if I did, I'd try an wrangle a free holiday at his place in Ibiza!) but I don't particulary like his music and as such said so. I also said he has basically released the same thing on numerous occasions since 1973 but passing it off as something different. (Sorry, I think he's sold his house in Ibiza (quite a while ago as far as I recall)) If you don't like his music, why are you posting that here? Is it just an aside while having a private joke? I can understand in a general forum not concerned with a certain artist/style of music or such, but on a forum full to the brim of Mike Oldfield fans? All I can say is, I think you got your message across. "The Best of Tubular Bells"...hmm. If I remember correctly, quite a few people weren't over the moon about this idea, and declared they would not buy it. I'm still undecided about whether I'd buy it, but I'm just one person, and thus don't count . Anyway...what was the point of all this again? BlueTape: I haven't listened to your music yet (not able to download it), so I can't add any comment about it. Tim Highfield. Back to top

Unregistered Posted: July 15 2001, 15:15 andyr: This is not censorship. Olivier is responsible for everything he publishes on his website, and can (in theory) be sued for it. If you want to be protected from censorship, then please publish your opinions on your own website. Back to top

Dervish_D Group: Members Posts: 53 Joined: Feb. 2001 Posted: July 16 2001, 11:07 Crystal Shapes: The song is quite nice how it is at the moment but as, few pointed out, it could be improved nevertheless. If you think of crystals and shapes of crystals you notice that these have completely different, interesting and fascinating shapes. There are ones with sharp edges, brighter crystals, crystals that look like perls or like mountains - every crystal has its own little DETAIL that makes it so interesting. That is what makes the song still superficial at parts. I really can imagine that one crystal shape, but deeply I can't spot the details. You could try to give this song more contrasts and more unique elements, something mystically or beautiful e.g., so that we don't always see this one crystal shape. Perhaps a break in between or something that contrasts the "stubborn" 4/4 rhythm. E.g. a "move" to describe a certain shape more closely. You could also add the thought that something could happen with crystals. They can break if they fall on the ground. What happens to the world when you look through a crystal? What could be your feeling if you went into a cave and suddenly discovered a beautiful "crystal lake". The ugly, gloomy cave around and the glittering and beautiful crystal shapes in it. Back to top

raven4x4x Group: Members Posts: 1535 Joined: Jan. 2002 Posted: Mar. 29 2002, 02:38 Hey, I can't download the music, it says "The Page Cannot Be Found" I want to listen to it, so could you please fix it? In regards to censorship, I believe that there is no right or wrong. If you have an opinion you should be allowed to voice it, but also a certain amout of censorship needs to be in place (porn etc.) I agree that opinions sould be able to be said, and I would be very annoyed if any of mine got censored. But if your opinion insults anybody, they have a right to be offended. It is possable to express an opinion without insulting anyone. I have not read andyr's censored massage, so I don't know what it is, but I assume it was insulting. Anyway, Oliver does own this server, so he has a right to dicide what he want's on it. -------------- Thank-you for helping us help you help us all. Back to top

timshen Group: Members Posts: 684 Joined: Mar. 2001 Posted: Mar. 29 2002, 11:14 Haven't listened to music yet Blue Tape - hope to soon! But I want to comment a bit about the censorship of Andyr's post - I think Olivier has every right to censor those messages that are offensive or in any way inappropriate (actually I feel more of his messages should be censored - 'Olivier you sad twat' for example is a personal insult that can justifiably be removed). I personally am not 100% for complete freedom of speech - look what happened when Hitler had some semblance of freedom of speech! I presently live in Singapore whaere the government censors the media and controls what appears in the papers and TV to some extent and I must say that the social wellbeing of the country has been positively influenced by such intervention. It may work here only because Singapore is a small island where such 'control' is easier than larger countries. Obviously the government must be responsible, wise and full of integrity to be able to this sucessfully and I believe Singapore's govenment has managed admirably! (I'm not a Singaporean but and Englishman living there BTW). -------------- Expect Great Things. Attempt Great Things. Back to top

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