Welcome Guest
[ Log In :: Register ]

Pages: (7) < [1] 2 3 4 5 6 ... >

[ Track this topic :: Email this topic :: Print this topic ]

Topic: Official Mike Oldfield board closed< Next Oldest | Next Newest >
a_r_schulz Offline




Group: Members
Posts: 425
Joined: Sep. 2001
Posted: June 09 2004, 07:17

Quote
Due to abusive use of the forum (bad language and creation of unhelpful topics) we have decided to dedicate this forum to only Music VR as this has been interfering with Mike's work.
We will be introducing a members only MVR Forum and website soon...

Well, did the 'Is Mr.C Mike'-thread blow away samples from his studio PC's hard disk, or what kind of interference? Or does Fanny think he's wasting too much time  reading off-topics?
Talking about bad language - what was just that morse code in Amarok about  :p ?

In case anyone's wondering where this came from, it's from another topic that I've merged into this one. Sorry for any confusion! - Korgscrew
Never mind...
Back to top
Profile PM WEB 
ATTMO Offline




Group: Members
Posts: 79
Joined: June 2004
Posted: June 09 2004, 07:18

Hi this is ATTMO. Some people round here know me from the Official MO board. Well it was closed this morning.

The reason:

"abusive use of the forum  

Due to abusive use of the forum (bad language and creation of unhelpful topics) we have decided to dedicate this forum to only Music VR as this has been interfering with Mike's work.
We will be introducing a members only MVR Forum and website soon... "


well visiting the from every day i really didnt have this impression. there had been some problems some time ago but it basically returned to normal (ok there were some weird topics like the two "richard c - mike" ones but still ...)
it is a sad thing


--------------
"Such is life; and we are but as grass that is cut down, and put into the oven and baked" - Jerome K Jerome
Back to top
Profile PM 
txuntb
Unregistered





Posted: June 09 2004, 07:23

I agree with ATTMO, and i don´t believe that the true reason of closing was the exposed one.
Back to top
Sir Mustapha Offline




Group: Musicians
Posts: 2802
Joined: April 2003
Posted: June 09 2004, 07:31

Been there a few minutes ago. At first glance, it looked like a major server fuc* up, but then I saw the message. I won't question whether that was the reason or not, but I will say that was a bit of a childish thing to do, being a member of a couple of other forums. If there were things bugging them, did they need to kill THE WHOLE PLACE? There were great threads there, and I think that if they took the role of admins more often, there would be no abusive use of the forum at all.

But then, there can be other reasons, and in this case, I shut the hell up.

(oh, and there are two threads at the moment talking about this. I guess the threads will be merged, or something like that)


--------------
Check out http://ferniecanto.com.br for all my music, including my latest albums: Don't Stay in the City, Making Amends and Builders of Worlds.
Also check my Bandcamp page: http://ferniecanto.bandcamp.com
Back to top
Profile PM WEB 
familyjules Offline




Group: Members
Posts: 1190
Joined: May 2004
Posted: June 09 2004, 07:36

Shame.  I only looked there for the first time yesterday, saw a bunch of familiar names and thought "I must check back there when I get the time".  Well at least I read a few good posts before it went....  :(

I gotta say though, that this place is much more user friendly.  I like the way that the topics are divided up neatly, makes it much easier for a newb like me to find his way around and get to the subjects you want to talk about.....even if you do find yourself replying to a post from 2001.  Heh.

Still a bummer about the other place.  Especially if you were waiting for a reply or in the middle of a discussion.  I wonder if Mike read it much.  Anyone know?

Jules


--------------
I like beer and I like cheese
Back to top
Profile PM 
ATTMO Offline




Group: Members
Posts: 79
Joined: June 2004
Posted: June 09 2004, 08:00

yes there were some discussions going on i would have liked to read the replies to. they shoud at least have put all messages on "closed" or something so people can copy the facts if they wanted

and i guess mike did read it as he mentioned in the "new album" post of his


--------------
"Such is life; and we are but as grass that is cut down, and put into the oven and baked" - Jerome K Jerome
Back to top
Profile PM 
Jammer Offline




Group: Members
Posts: 643
Joined: April 2000
Posted: June 09 2004, 08:08

I agree with you all. As soon as I found this out earlier this morning I posted about it on the amarok mailing list

As it was Mike's official board he had a section for his messages. This was one of the good points about it and showed that he keeps in contact with fans

I think the administrators are in the process of designing a new board that they say will be only devoted to Music VR. Does this mean we wont know anything about Mike's plans and news about the new album? Wont we even be able to post about it when it's released?

Still, there's always good old TubularBoard that was altogether better than Mike's in many ways. I think I can safely say that Olivier wont have any plans to wipe every message from the forum!

Those from Mike's board: Why not join us here? there's plenty of room for you all :)
Back to top
Profile PM 
Inkanta Offline




Group: Admins
Posts: 1453
Joined: Feb. 2000
Posted: June 09 2004, 08:13

I've not hung out in all that many forums, but this is a first in my limited experience and IMHO not a particularly healthy approach. Sad thing is, there were people standing by with the interest, expertise, and willingness to help organize that forum. This place--tubular.net--is living, breathing proof of the good things that can happen with a little management and moderation.

I find it ironic that Mike developed this wonderfully collaborative game and could not effectively collaborate when it comes to the community that he establsihed. With a stroke of a key he deleted the entire forum because it was off-topic & distracting to him. Glad he's not the God of the entire Internet.


--------------
"No such thing as destiny; only choices exist." From:  Moongarden's "Solaris."
Back to top
Profile PM 
Holger Offline




Group: Members
Posts: 1506
Joined: Feb. 2003
Posted: June 09 2004, 09:08

Just because we can't see the content of the board any more doesn't necessarily mean it's all been deleted. They might put it back on to read (if not to reply to) after having done some cleaning up, though how likely that is is another question...
Back to top
Profile PM 
dominic Offline




Group: Members
Posts: 13
Joined: Jan. 2004
Posted: June 09 2004, 09:08

Hi guys!
Nice to see you again...
What can I say... I'm very unhappy, MO forum is closed...
I was visited that forum every day, and now... we will see...
Goodbye MO site, welcome tubular.net


--------------
Mike Oldfield forever
Back to top
Profile PM 
Sir Mustapha Offline




Group: Musicians
Posts: 2802
Joined: April 2003
Posted: June 09 2004, 09:15

Yeah, welcome aboard! I hope other fellow MO.com goers will come here. There were some very nice people there.

--------------
Check out http://ferniecanto.com.br for all my music, including my latest albums: Don't Stay in the City, Making Amends and Builders of Worlds.
Also check my Bandcamp page: http://ferniecanto.bandcamp.com
Back to top
Profile PM WEB 
Jammer Offline




Group: Members
Posts: 643
Joined: April 2000
Posted: June 09 2004, 09:59

Quote (Inkanta @ June 09 2004, 13:13)
With a stroke of a key [Mike] deleted the entire forum because it was off-topic & distracting to him. Glad he's not the God of the entire Internet.

Are you sure it was Mike himself? If so why did he post the message as 'administrator'? He usually likes to use his angry, punching-chin avatar as he did on his forum

My guess is that it was someone else who helps with the webmastering (did Fanny really do all the graphics and flash animation for the website?). They made a very hasty decision

I had a few private messages stored on my account there. I'm glad that they haven't been deleted! Without those I would have lost contact with another member who doesn't post here
Back to top
Profile PM 
Sir Mustapha Offline




Group: Musicians
Posts: 2802
Joined: April 2003
Posted: June 09 2004, 10:07

Mike either posts as "Mike" or as "admin2". The "administrator" is Fanny. I think she just posted there, and the decision came from both of them. I don't think she would take the decision all by herself.

--------------
Check out http://ferniecanto.com.br for all my music, including my latest albums: Don't Stay in the City, Making Amends and Builders of Worlds.
Also check my Bandcamp page: http://ferniecanto.bandcamp.com
Back to top
Profile PM WEB 
Tati The Sentinel Offline




Group: Members
Posts: 3360
Joined: Feb. 2002
Posted: June 09 2004, 10:19

What MO.com forums needed to have is some rules to the users,like this one in here from a Peter Gabriel forum that I've just joined:
Rules from a Peter Gabriel Forum
and a good moderation team(I personally never considered Mike or Fanny as a real moderators since the forum wasn't their main priority thingie) to work as a "police" when necessary.In another forum that I'm also in,which had a big bad problem with some users,after setting up some rules,things have become better to all users.
Here on Tubular.net I've never seen a flame war or stuff like that in almost 3 years that I'm in here,and we have people from different countries,different ideas and points of view,and there is a respect which in a certain way MO.com forums didn't have.

About unhelpful topics - in which way it was said that? Unhelpful for Mike? For us?
Well,some topics are a lack of time(at least for me,like the one Richard C = Mike Oldfield),which I thought it was a silly and stupid(even in here I've never seen a stuff like that),and that made Mike got angry with it(as well as myself).
Some users didn't have a participation which was interesting at all,sometimes I've seen a post competition to get a higher member status,and some posts didn't have something to add at all.Well,of course I've had my silly moments there,some of the users did,but when some of them were silly all the time,it sucked.

It seems to me that Mike still hasn't grown up regarding some subjects,like all the situation of his forum.Things could be different if he stopped thinking that his community forum should be as perfect as his personal world.Some of us can't play Maestro and/or Tr3s Lunas(like me,since my computer isn't that good) as well some of us which are not interested in his computer games.The first attempt was a real mess - the philosophy stuff had become a music discussion,and I didn't see any policy like that on there.

I'd love to see the forums back,since there was some interesting stuff which wasn't discussed on here,but with a "board rules" thingie and real moderators in case things get into trouble again.Mike has said that some of your ideas have helped him on the new album,and this was possible since there was a communication thingie on the forums between Mike and us.

Mike and Fanny - you both have learned the lesson,and it's time for you to reconsider things about the forum.Most users there were not like a few ones who were silly and sucked,and please,think about the decision that you've made.
Think about a structure which doesn't demand so much of you,since the forum is not the priority for you at the moment,but a structure which doesn't lead to all the mess and problems we've seen.It was for most of the users a way to "contact Mike" in a certain way and he did express that some of our ideas were impressive for him on the process of the new album.Reconsider it.


--------------
"But it's always the outsider, the black sheep, that becomes the blockbuster." - Mike Oldfield, 2014

"I remember feeling that I'd been judged unfairly and that I was going to prove them wrong." - Peter Davison, 2011
Back to top
Profile PM WEB 
familyjules Offline




Group: Members
Posts: 1190
Joined: May 2004
Posted: June 09 2004, 10:25

Quote (Sir Mustapha @ June 09 2004, 10:07)
Mike either posts as "Mike" or as "admin2".

Seeing as how I never got to hang there - can anybody remember anything Mike posted about his records that they found particularly illuminating?

Jules


--------------
I like beer and I like cheese
Back to top
Profile PM 
Inkanta Offline




Group: Admins
Posts: 1453
Joined: Feb. 2000
Posted: June 09 2004, 10:28

No...I don't know that he is the one that actually effected the change, but to me, that's immaterial, because it certainly wouldn't have been done without his blessing. So whether he pulled the trigger or gave the order to fire, IMHO it's the same.

Online communities have been studied in terms of sociology, anthropology, and psychology--they can be pretty significant components of peoples' lives. I would think that this situation is like any other involving major shifts in community, and that it may send folks into various depths of grief, complete with all five stages (initial shock/denial, anger/resentment, bargaining, guilt/depression, and acceptance). And...all these stages bump around together--it is not necessarily a nice, orderly, linear progression.

Initially when the mo.com forums came up, I was confused, because there was such a well-functioning one right here, that seemed to serve the same purpose. But...I went there anyway, lurked about, eventually began to post, and it really is a bit of a shock at the moment.

In the long run, everyone will survive intact. Many will find their way here, and will find it a pretty good place. There are boundaries, organization, and a strong sense of community and respect.

I also have a sense of trust here, that the plug would not be abruptly pulled on an entire community, without any warning.


--------------
"No such thing as destiny; only choices exist." From:  Moongarden's "Solaris."
Back to top
Profile PM 
Spinne Offline




Group: Members
Posts: 397
Joined: May 2003
Posted: June 09 2004, 12:35

Well, first of all I would say welcome to the new people who have joined Tubular Board (ATTMO, dominic...). Hope you spend a great time with us ;)

Now, the message on the forum has been edited and has a  new title. Now only appears the last sentence about the new page and forum. It seems like they have seen we didn't believe that was the reason to close the entire forum.

But I'm scared on that sentence, does it mean that only registered Music VR players could enter in the new forum. Then, what about people not interested in games and people who cannot run MVR on their computers? Don't you think it would be a little bit elitist? (but also a good way to only have positive messages on the board thanking and congratulating him) :(
Back to top
Profile PM 
Guest
Unregistered





Posted: June 09 2004, 13:11

I think MO.com was closed down by MO himself, after all there is a big difference between being a critic of his music and just plain trashing anything a certain individual or individuals do not approve of. Time after time MO must have viewed this forum to see his work either musical or virtual reality being ripped to shreds. If I were him I would be sick of all the negative responses, I'm sure Mike may feel a bit pissed off when he reads such things as "Which is his worst song?", "Which is his worst album?" and crap like "Oh how disappointing the graphics are". I know we and he can't walk around in rose tinted spectacles, but all the bitching and uneeded slagging off of somebody you are supposed to admire should be left to the critics and music journo's who write in those crappy glossies that none of us read. I suppose it was a forum put into self destruct by massively irresponsible commentaries.
Back to top
Sir Mustapha Offline




Group: Musicians
Posts: 2802
Joined: April 2003
Posted: June 09 2004, 13:39

I think discussing both the positive points and the negative points of your favourite artist can be equally enlightening, both for the fans and for the artist. If I had a forum for my music, I'd love to see people criticise my work, so I know what aspects of my music to reconsider and rethink.

The problem is, both the positive comments and the negative comments can be harmful. I think what harmed the forum was the overreaction of certain users - mostly newcomers, who aren't very familiar with communication on the Internet. The off-topic discussions also got a little too much, but I'm not so horribly against it. The thread about Richard C being Mike himself was funny, but overdone.

UPDATE: Fanny's newest coment makes me think that they will be introducing another forum for MVR... or maybe not. Well, it becomes clear that they want to focus the discussions towards MVR, but it would be nice if they kept a forum running for people to talk about his music and such, like it was before.

Also, I think Mike will want to keep people informed about things, like his new album, and such. Did you notice that Mike's posts on his board were also wiped off? Something makes me thing that the posts weren't completely deleted.....


--------------
Check out http://ferniecanto.com.br for all my music, including my latest albums: Don't Stay in the City, Making Amends and Builders of Worlds.
Also check my Bandcamp page: http://ferniecanto.bandcamp.com
Back to top
Profile PM WEB 
Guest
Unregistered





Posted: June 09 2004, 13:56

Am I to understand that internet communication is still less harmful than spoken word. As I said earlier it must be really uplifting for MO to know that his fans consider their constant barage of insults as positive input. The pen is mightier than the sword, I don't know if it is so for the keypad, but when someone tells you that your baby is ugly it doesn't matter how they get to hear it , it is still a painfull experience.
Back to top
134 replies since June 09 2004, 07:18 < Next Oldest | Next Newest >

[ Track this topic :: Email this topic :: Print this topic ]

Pages: (7) < [1] 2 3 4 5 6 ... >






Forums | Links | Instruments | Discography | Tours | Articles | FAQ | Artwork | Wallpapers
Biography | Gallery | Videos | MIDI / Ringtones | Tabs | Lyrics | Books | Sitemap | Contact

Mike Oldfield Tubular.net
Mike Oldfield Tubular.net