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iancampbell79 Group: Members Posts: 83 Joined: April 2002 Posted: April 05 2007, 04:41 Anyone have any info on this project? Back to top

Tubularman Group: Awaiting Authorisation Posts: 2304 Joined: June 2004 Posted: April 05 2007, 07:42 what a cool idea.. Mike should be a guest on this one and play the guitars   -------------- Mike Oldfield M i x e s https://soundcloud.com/tubularman Back to top

Tati The Sentinel Group: Members Posts: 3360 Joined: Feb. 2002 Posted: April 05 2007, 08:57 David Bedford is involved on the project. Again,the Spaniards.They are mad about Mike   -------------- "But it's always the outsider, the black sheep, that becomes the blockbuster." - Mike Oldfield, 2014 "I remember feeling that I'd been judged unfairly and that I was going to prove them wrong." - Peter Davison, 2011 Back to top

olracUK Group: Members Posts: 1683 Joined: June 2003 Posted: April 05 2007, 20:06 and very best wishes to them! Good luck. |If they have contact and support from David Bedford, they may have a chance of completing it. But how do you get an orchestra to sound like a vacuum cleaner or a box of "modellers tools"? Let alone the cleaning teeth. -------------- The answer is 42 - but what is the question? Back to top

ImAFoolAndImLaughing Group: Members Posts: 536 Joined: Feb. 2006 Posted: April 06 2007, 11:26 Well - I'm no percussionist, but wouldn't one of them brush-drum things approximate to the sound of teeth-brushing? And given that Mike used the a hoover to imitate bagpipes, surely a bagpiper could return the favour... -------------- "I was in this prematurely air conditioned supermarket and there were these bathing caps you could buy that had these kind of Fourth of July plumes on them that were red and yellow and blue and I wasn't tempted to buy one but I was reminded of the fact that I had been avoiding the beach." Back to top

olracUK Group: Members Posts: 1683 Joined: June 2003 Posted: April 06 2007, 18:09 I imagine the biggest problem for whoever gets the job of writing the score will be the volume changes. Mind you - the audience should be kept awake for this one!   A very big challenge. -------------- The answer is 42 - but what is the question? Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: April 07 2007, 19:34 I think that the biggest challenge for this are the guitar parts... where are they going find 8 guitarists who, in the words of Mike O. himself, can play 'incredibly fast' and yet with expression? Or are they going to replace all of the guitar parts with orchestral instruments? If the latter is the case... well, I guess that the whole concert will turn out very bad... IMHO, parts originally written for electric or acoustic guitar wouldn't sound good on any orchestral instrument. Especially when playing Mike O.'s music. @ OlracUK: what problems should there be with 'aeromodeller's toolbox' noises and teeth-brushing noises? They're going to use samples. Don't tell me that you still believe that every single sound you hear on Amarok is real!! -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

ImAFoolAndImLaughing Group: Members Posts: 536 Joined: Feb. 2006 Posted: April 10 2007, 17:16 Quote (Ugo @ April 07 2007, 19:34) Don't tell me that you still believe that every single sound you hear on Amarok is real!! You mean they aren't????!       -------------- "I was in this prematurely air conditioned supermarket and there were these bathing caps you could buy that had these kind of Fourth of July plumes on them that were red and yellow and blue and I wasn't tempted to buy one but I was reminded of the fact that I had been avoiding the beach." Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: April 10 2007, 18:15 Of course not. Just to quote one example: do you really believe that Mike recorded the "Hoover" section while really brushing his teeth and then smashing his glass at the end?  [By the way, it sounds to me much more like a huge window-glass pane being smashed, than a water glass. ] -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

ImAFoolAndImLaughing Group: Members Posts: 536 Joined: Feb. 2006 Posted: April 11 2007, 03:24 Quote (Ugo @ April 10 2007, 18:15) Of course not. Just to quote one example: do you really believe that Mike recorded the "Hoover" section while really brushing his teeth and then smashing his glass at the end?  [By the way, it sounds to me much more like a huge window-glass pane being smashed, than a water glass. ] Heretic!   Thing is, Ugo, sampled sounds are fine when producing a studio recording, but a live orchestral version is a bit different, especially when it's intended to be a "spectacle". The joy of such a performance lies in its immediacy and the use of more traditional instruments played in real time - sampled sounds would defeat the object, surely? -------------- "I was in this prematurely air conditioned supermarket and there were these bathing caps you could buy that had these kind of Fourth of July plumes on them that were red and yellow and blue and I wasn't tempted to buy one but I was reminded of the fact that I had been avoiding the beach." Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: April 11 2007, 17:42 No, not heretic - fanatic. Joking aside... yes, surely it may well be a hell-of-a-good show if someone brushes his/her teeth on stage to produce the teeth brushing noise, and if someone crosses the whole stage with a noisy Hoover et cetera. What perplexes me is: isn't all this supposed to be performed in a concert hall? Apart from the 'seriousness' or 'un-seriousness' of the show [which, for all we know about it, may be utterly comic, dead serious or somewhere in the middle! ], people on stage who perform the noises with the intention of creating a 'spectacle' element out of them will be properly seen only by the audience members sitting in the front rows, while all of the audience in the back won't see (and consequently won't enjoy) any of the 'spectacle'. Unless, of course, giant screens are mounted, but giant screens sound a bit unlikely to me, in a concert hall. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

olracUK Group: Members Posts: 1683 Joined: June 2003 Posted: April 11 2007, 18:51 Somehow I get the feeling that there wont be the need for giant video screens! And I really look forward to a "special" percussionist sat there all alone waiting for his part to start up the vacuum cleaner, or stir a tea cup. It would be so wrong for an orchestral version to use samples. Why, that would be like Mike using some clever sampling/midi techniques on stage instead of really having 20 odd water filled wine glasses.   Part of the challenge is to recreate those "odd" parts with real live instruments - even non-traditional ones. -------------- The answer is 42 - but what is the question? Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: April 12 2007, 17:39 Quote (olracUK @ April 12 2007, 00:51) It would be so wrong for an orchestral version to use samples. [...] Part of the challenge is to recreate those "odd" parts with real live instruments - even non-traditional ones. Yes, sure it would be wrong, if the concert is indeed meant as a show - I had somehow overlooked this point in my original post. Apart from this, I still think that the project managers' biggest challenge would be finding the right guitarists. But let's not forget that this is Spain, the land of the guitar, and also the birthplace of one of the most famous flamenco guitarists, Paco de Lucia... and flamenco is not a very slow kind of music, is it? *Ugo daydreams about Paco de Lucia playing the Fast Waltz at a superhuman speed...* @ Tubularman: Mike won't ever be involved in this. He always said that it's impossible to play Amarok live. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

Quicksilver Group: Members Posts: 85 Joined: July 2005 Posted: April 12 2007, 19:24 Yeah, Spain is different, we can make it!     Back to top

Matt Group: Admins Posts: 1186 Joined: Nov. 2002 Posted: April 13 2007, 04:28 Quote Apart from this, I still think that the project managers' biggest challenge would be finding the right guitarists. But let's not forget that this is Spain, the land of the guitar, and also the birthplace of one of the most famous flamenco guitarists, Paco de Lucia... and I think the orchestration should (and probably will) use other instruments to recreate the parts played on guitar on the original. I have been going through the piece in my head and can't think of any part of it (yet) that wouldn't sound great if carefully orchestrated sticking with the range of instruments usually in a symphony orchestra. The exception to this is drums at the end where I think adding in some additional african drums would be worthwhile. Or maybe you could just fill half the stage with timps Best of luck to them! -------------- "I say I say I say I say, what's got three bottles and five eyes and no legs and two wheels" Back to top

guimabvue Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: June 22 2009, 08:32 Has it happened??? Back to top

The Caveman Group: Members Posts: 2178 Joined: Jan. 2008 Posted: June 22 2009, 08:46 I missed this thread first tome round.WTF?!?!?All i can think of would be the musical equivelent of a musical car crash!!!I cannot think of anything worse to be fair.Ambitious yes but really not something i can concieve of as being musically good!And if David Bedford was involved then all i can say would be what the hell were you thinking man! -------------- THE COMING OF THE GREAT WHITE HANDKERCHEIF IS NIGH. Back to top

ex member 419 Group: Members Posts: 1177 Joined: April 2008 Posted: June 23 2009, 01:11 I agree caveman, amorok is perfect as is, it would be hard to replicate the spontaneous energy and moods  evoked by mike at the time, this one should stay as is imho, deb Back to top

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