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nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4770 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: July 13 2011, 00:19 I've often thought how unusual the "ee ay ee ay ee..." introduction to "Pacha Mama" is. And then when I was researching Circe, daughter of Helios, today (trying to find again - without success - a poem I once read about her) I was reminded that her island was Aeaea. Pachamama is mother earth - perhaps she had solar ambitions   Back to top

wiga Group: Members Posts: 2113 Joined: Sep. 2008 Posted: July 13 2011, 17:10 Quote (nightspore @ July 13 2011, 05:19) I've often thought how unusual the "ee ay ee ay ee..." introduction to "Pacha Mama" is. My heart is lifted when I see a new Millennium Bell thread. I like the delicate "ee ay ee ay ee.." sound. I can't offer anymore on this Aeaea/Pacha Mama phenomenon though. -------------- Barn's burnt down - now I can see the moon. Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: July 13 2011, 19:31 To me it's just eh-ah-eh-ah-eh-ah-eh-ah. I'd advise not to read to much in it - it's just one of Mike's meaningless pseudo-tribal vocals. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4770 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: July 13 2011, 20:53 Quote (Ugo @ July 13 2011, 19:31) To me it's just eh-ah-eh-ah-eh-ah-eh-ah. I'd advise not to read to much in it - it's just one of Mike's meaningless pseudo-tribal vocals.     Back to top

Inkanta Group: Admins Posts: 1453 Joined: Feb. 2000 Posted: July 13 2011, 21:55 I have a bit of Quechua music but no instances of that.  For the time being, I'm with Ugo on that one. Like wiga, I find it to be a very delicate sound. "Pacha" is an interesting concept to me--this place in this space at this time. Also in the song, "waka" (aka huaca--some of the Quechua dialects have altered their orthography to "waka") is the sacred, holy. To say it aloud is similar to the Lakotas/Dakotas/Nakotas (aka the Sioux) of the northern Plains USA "Wacan" where the n really isn't an n but an indication to pronounce the second syllable nasally "Waca."  It must be a very, very old word, indeed. BTW, Wiraqocha (Viracocha)would probably be the male sky-god to Pachamama. Ah...as I finished typing this, there is a commercial on for the Great Inca Rebellion coming up next time on Nova! Kewl. Kosmic. Inka. -------------- "No such thing as destiny; only choices exist." From:  Moongarden's "Solaris." Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4770 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: July 13 2011, 23:24 Quote (Inkanta @ July 13 2011, 21:55) I have a bit of Quechua music but no instances of that.  For the time being, I'm with Ugo on that one. Like wiga, I find it to be a very delicate sound. "Pacha" is an interesting concept to me--this place in this space at this time. Also in the song, "waka" (aka huaca--some of the Quechua dialects have altered their orthography to "waka") is the sacred, holy. To say it aloud is similar to the Lakotas/Dakotas/Nakotas (aka the Sioux) of the northern Plains USA "Wacan" where the n really isn't an n but an indication to pronounce the second syllable nasally "Waca."  It must be a very, very old word, indeed. BTW, Wiraqocha (Viracocha)would probably be the male sky-god to Pachamama. Ah...as I finished typing this, there is a commercial on for the Great Inca Rebellion coming up next time on Nova! Kewl. Kosmic. Inka. Speaking of that sort of thing, Inkanta, there's a work by Stockhausen that I personally don't like much but which is nevertheless quite interesting. Called "Stimmung", it goes for over an hour, has 51 sections, and consists of nothing but unaccompanied voices chanting various names of God. It starts with "Grogorogally" (an Australian aboriginal sun god), progresses through such as Quetzalcoatl, Varuna, etc., and ends with Tangarua (a Maori sun god, thus almost completing the circle). You can read more about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stimmung There's only one work by Stockhausen that I come close to liking, and that's Sirius, which is about a kind of battle between the star-signs of the Zodiac. Mike's "Sirius" is far more listenable, though   Back to top

Cavalier (Lost Version) Group: Members Posts: 598 Joined: Nov. 2010 Posted: July 14 2011, 09:38 And as I'm reading Inkanta's wise words, I'm reflecting on learning this morning that a new series of The Mysterious Cities of Gold is in production.  Kosmic squared! -------------- "Who was that?" "That was Venger - the force of Evil!  I am Dungeon Master - your guide in the realm of Dungeons & Dragons!" Back to top

Inkanta Group: Admins Posts: 1453 Joined: Feb. 2000 Posted: July 15 2011, 23:09 Quote (nightspore @ July 13 2011, 23:24) Speaking of that sort of thing, Inkanta, there's a work by Stockhausen that I personally don't like much but which is nevertheless quite interesting. Called "Stimmung", it goes for over an hour, has 51 sections, and consists of nothing but unaccompanied voices chanting various names of God. It starts with "Grogorogally" (an Australian aboriginal sun god), progresses through such as Quetzalcoatl, Varuna, etc., and ends with Tangarua (a Maori sun god, thus almost completing the circle). You can read more about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stimmung There's only one work by Stockhausen that I come close to liking, and that's Sirius, which is about a kind of battle between the star-signs of the Zodiac. Mike's "Sirius" is far more listenable, though   Ooo...thanks for the heads-up, nightspore. Stockhausen--haven't listened to him in years--think I had some on my old, classical iPod. It died last year, but I think that I can exhume the old computer and get into iTunes and check. Oh...speaking of things on that side of the planet...not exactly Oz but Hawaii....today I bought a used hula hoop that's rather beaten up. The guy said, "yeah, but it's got good energy--it's been to many a festival."  As I held the hoop in both hands, I wondered what that energy was capable of doing (though obviously not making me into a better hula hooper). Thought it could make a good story. Ah...the Mike tie-in....was hooping to "Morgentau." -------------- "No such thing as destiny; only choices exist." From:  Moongarden's "Solaris." Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4770 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: July 16 2011, 01:52 Quote (Inkanta @ July 15 2011, 23:09) Oh...speaking of things on that side of the planet...not exactly Oz but Hawaii....today I bought a used hula hoop that's rather beaten up. The guy said, "yeah, but it's got good energy--it's been to many a festival."  As I held the hoop in both hands, I wondered what that energy was capable of doing (though obviously not making me into a better hula hooper). Thought it could make a good story. Ah...the Mike tie-in....was hooping to "Morgentau." Hi Inkanta, "hoop" is an unusual word in that it seems to me just right for the object it describes!   Back to top

wiga Group: Members Posts: 2113 Joined: Sep. 2008 Posted: July 16 2011, 06:29 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTH5dxGuJMc&playnext=1&list=PLC5B8A05A552A86FC A gentle and kind tune I think. I don't know the intellects or origins of this track but for me it's another one of Mike's illustrations of the human soul. He has a tune for every emotion, every relationship, every bad day, every illness, every family trial, every success. There's a tune for everything. He puts into words perfectly what we can not articulate, and shoots it to the heart. I have never come across a composer like him. -------------- Barn's burnt down - now I can see the moon. Back to top

Inkanta Group: Admins Posts: 1453 Joined: Feb. 2000 Posted: July 16 2011, 11:20 I have to agree with you. I've been to Saksaywaman and to Machu Picchu (Sak. is the temple-fortress looming above the Inka capital of Qosqo [Cusco]), which inspired PM. A Quechua speaker (the people and the language of the Inkas) provided him with the poem/prayer. The translation that we have from a Quechua speaker/linguist here isn't quite the same that Mike had provided, but I think they're more accurate, in that Charles is intimately familiar with both English and Quechua. "Wakas" can be sacred places and objects. In fact, lineage wakas were used to create the Inka's calendar. For me, "Pacha Mama" is the essence of Tawantinsuyu (the four corners of the Inka statehood)...the breathtakingly beautiful land, the Andes, living on the brink in the Ring of Fire (we were in a 5.3 earthquake at Sak.and it could have been far worse), the people, the happiness and challenges of daily life, and the untimely and tragic demise of the State (though of course the Quechuas survive today--often marginalized and discriminated against like far too many indigenous peoples). -------------- "No such thing as destiny; only choices exist." From:  Moongarden's "Solaris." Back to top

wiga Group: Members Posts: 2113 Joined: Sep. 2008 Posted: July 17 2011, 03:41 Quote (Inkanta @ July 16 2011, 16:20) I've been to Saksaywaman and to Machu Picchu (Sak. is the temple-fortress looming above the Inka capital of Qosqo [Cusco]), which inspired PM. A Quechua speaker (the people and the language of the Inkas) provided him with the poem/prayer. Funny how Saksaywaman sounds like Sexy Woman and I wonder if there's a link to the origin of these words, or if it's just coincidence. Probably amused Mike too. His lyrics - "you are a saksaywaman"  I always take as a cheeky English literal meaning - because of the, "you are a...." sounding lyrics. Can't see how it means, "you are a (place called) Saksaywaman." A funny play on the words he did there! -------------- Barn's burnt down - now I can see the moon. Back to top

wiga Group: Members Posts: 2113 Joined: Sep. 2008 Posted: July 17 2011, 04:01 Quote (nightspore @ July 14 2011, 04:24) there's a work by Stockhausen that I personally don't like much but which is nevertheless quite interesting. Called "Stimmung", it goes for over an hour I see a link with 'stimming' - repetitive body movements - often associated with autism, but we all do them to self stimulate or comfort. I've a habit of rotating my foot all the time when sat cross legged.   There's also also a 'Stimming' genre in music -   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZWV2M0oWzI&feature=related -------------- Barn's burnt down - now I can see the moon. Back to top

Inkanta Group: Admins Posts: 1453 Joined: Feb. 2000 Posted: July 17 2011, 18:48 Quote (wiga @ July 17 2011, 03:41) Quote (Inkanta @ July 16 2011, 16:20) I've been to Saksaywaman and to Machu Picchu (Sak. is the temple-fortress looming above the Inka capital of Qosqo [Cusco]), which inspired PM. A Quechua speaker (the people and the language of the Inkas) provided him with the poem/prayer. Funny how Saksaywaman sounds like Sexy Woman and I wonder if there's a link to the origin of these words, or if it's just coincidence. Probably amused Mike too. His lyrics - "you are a saksaywaman"  I always take as a cheeky English literal meaning - because of the, "you are a...." sounding lyrics. Can't see how it means, "you are a (place called) Saksaywaman." A funny play on the words he did there! Probably a coincidence.  According to one of the guys in the choir, Mike told them to pronounce it as "sexy woman." When my kids and their friends were much younger, that section made them laugh. "They said sexy woman! Hahaha." Of course, for me, it was an opportunity to bore them to death with information about the Inkas. -------------- "No such thing as destiny; only choices exist." From:  Moongarden's "Solaris." Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4770 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: July 18 2011, 03:22 There's an interesting article in this week's New Scientist to the effect that the relationship between words and the objects they represent isn't arbitrary but dates back to the dawn of human consciousness. Back to top

0+1(I1) Group: Members Posts: 418 Joined: Mar. 2011 Posted: July 19 2011, 01:38 Quote (nightspore @ July 18 2011, 10:22) There's an interesting article in this week's New Scientist to the effect that the relationship between words and the objects they represent isn't arbitrary but dates back to the dawn of human consciousness. "EY",  "um" "aha" this sounds INTERESTING to me  "AY", "er" "I" 1-Der what it said ? PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ! those in the dark ye of great knowledge. -------------- L◎ST ◎MMADAWN VERSI◎N RIDDLE ANSWER  mIChaeI GOrDOn OIDfIeId. =  I C   1  G◎D   OO ID I I or replace the L's that were turned in to I's & 1 gets ID◎L G◎LD ID◎L (4 ANSWER IN FULL + EXPLANATION, C ALBUM SECTION/☮MMADAWN/i-say-i-say-i-say-i-say-in-answer4XXX4Acr⊕ss Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4770 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: July 19 2011, 01:53 Quote (0 @ 1(I1)+July 19 2011, 01:38) Quote (nightspore @ July 18 2011, 10:22) There's an interesting article in this week's New Scientist to the effect that the relationship between words and the objects they represent isn't arbitrary but dates back to the dawn of human consciousness. "EY",  "um" "aha" this sounds INTERESTING to me  "AY", "er" "I" 1-Der what it said ? PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ! those in the dark ye of great knowledge. Hi I1, I'll buy a copy and photocopy the article for you. I was half-tempted to buy the magazine yesterday, as it had a few other interesting articles. Back to top

0+1(I1) Group: Members Posts: 418 Joined: Mar. 2011 Posted: July 19 2011, 03:49 those emoticons are so sad, hey! wont anyone play with me, AAh danny no mates. RE topic could be that Mikes lyrics mean more than just nonsense THEN, Aha yeah! -------------- L◎ST ◎MMADAWN VERSI◎N RIDDLE ANSWER  mIChaeI GOrDOn OIDfIeId. =  I C   1  G◎D   OO ID I I or replace the L's that were turned in to I's & 1 gets ID◎L G◎LD ID◎L (4 ANSWER IN FULL + EXPLANATION, C ALBUM SECTION/☮MMADAWN/i-say-i-say-i-say-i-say-in-answer4XXX4Acr⊕ss Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4770 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: July 19 2011, 04:00 Quote (0+1(I1) @ July 19 2011, 03:49) those emoticons are so sad, hey! wont anyone play with me, AAh danny no mates. I put that one in because I know it amuses you   Check your email, I1. Back to top

Cavalier (Lost Version) Group: Members Posts: 598 Joined: Nov. 2010 Posted: July 19 2011, 06:38 Quote (nightspore @ July 18 2011, 03:22) There's an interesting article in this week's New Scientist to the effect that the relationship between words and the objects they represent isn't arbitrary but dates back to the dawn of human consciousness. Thanks first to Wiga for putting the song up.  It's one of my cassettes so not played for a long while, and for years all I've thought about is the chants as they appear in The Millennium Bell and couldn't recall the bits Nightspore was referring to  It's all come back now! I really shouldn't bring up my university career but in our first Human Geography lectures, which dealt with the origins and early organisiation of human society, we had a lecturer whose raison d'être seemed to be to introduce us to every single specialised (i.e. made-up ) word in this field of study.  This is not him ( as far as I know! ) but it's his style to a T: A widely acknowledged 'spatial turn' across arts and sciences corresponds to post-structualist agnosticism about both naturalistic and universal explanations and about single-voiced historical narratives, and to the concomitant recognition that position and context are centrally and inescapably implicated in all constructions of knowledge Picture a lecture theatre with varying degrees of shorthand being scribbled down furiously.  The first few people would look up at the post-structualist agnosticism bit, and start to go when naturalistic was mentioned.  Most of the rest us would be hoping against hope that our precis made sense, but we'd all be looking up and around in amusememnt to see if anyone in their lives had ever come across concomitant!  [If it's still a mystery, this is about the school of thought that history must also be told through the space that it took place in - for example, Rome wasn't built in a day, but it was built on seven hills] Before too long our lecturer would throw in something that you could recognise from its root, if you were lucky!  An actual example I remember was automonicise, and as government was being discussed we assumed it was to do with automony.  You can bet some academic just started started saying that without caring if it existed.  Peoples ancient and modern say what they see! On which note... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtM0-ZFwiNo -------------- "Who was that?" "That was Venger - the force of Evil!  I am Dungeon Master - your guide in the realm of Dungeons & Dragons!" Back to top

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