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Posted: April 19 2003, 22:16

So i've been looking at the discography, and a thought came to me.

Tubular Bells 1: [part 1][part 2]
Hergest Ridge:  [part 1][part 2]
Ommadawn: [part 1][part 2]
Incantations: [part1][part 2][part 3][part 4]
Platinum: [part 1][part 2][part 3][part 4]

then there's Islands... [The Wind chimes part 1 & 2]

why put parts one AND two in ONE track, when for so long and for 5 albums the parts were on seperate tracks?


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Posted: April 20 2003, 00:10

On one version of Islands (US release?) the 2 Wind Chimes parts were in separate tracks.

I think Wind Chimes was made before Islands anyways so he just threw it on I guess.....I don't know, ask Korgscrew :).


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Posted: April 20 2003, 00:30

the version of Islands i has it still in one part and its a US release....

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Posted: April 20 2003, 02:22

Heh, ok, let's see what I can say about this...

A look at Rainer Münz's discography doesn't reveal anything specific about there having been an edition with The Wind Chimes parts one and two as separate tracks. He does however list a US edition which he says has a different track order to the usual one, and is missing When The Night's On Fire - he could be contacted for more information on that one if necessary.

As for why the two tracks were combined on CD, I don't have a definitive answer. All I could suggest is that, if it was Mike's decision, it might have been done to reinforce the fact that Part 1 wasn't just something insignificant that could be skipped over, but an important part of the piece.
If it was an artistic decision, the reason for it being done there and not on other albums would most likely be that The Wind Chimes was Mike's first multi-part instrumental to be written after the introduction of CDs into the marketplace. Whereas he'd probably not have had any say over how his previous albums were transferred to CD, it's likely he would have had a say over how his new album was mastered for CD.

The parts are listed separately for the LP and video (they even have separate production credits, with Part One credited to Mike Oldfield and Part Two credited to Mike Oldfield and Simon Philips).

I would imagine that case with the placing of The Wind Chimes on the album was similar to with a lot of his albums, where there was the long instrumental for his own satisfaction, and the songs to satisfy more commercial requirements.
The Wind Chimes came after large amounts of experimentation with video, which culminated in Mike's visit to Bali with a film crew, in order to make some video footage, which formed the basis of the video side of the project, while samples from the video's audio track formed the basis of some of the music.
The video was released after the album, but I suspect that the video for the instrumental was finished before even the album was released (backed up by the way things like the jet engine sounds towards the end fit in with the images, but would seem like an odd thing to put in that part of music otherwise), with the songs and then the videos for the songs being put together after that (a video for an instrumental isn't too hard to work on in tandem with the music, whereas of course a video for a song has to be done after the vocals are recorded, if there's going to be anything lip-synced in it). I don't know whether the delay in releasing the video-album was due to Mike still working on the videos for the songs, or just for bureaucratic reasons.
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Posted: April 22 2003, 04:53

Just to point out a similar case, QE2 and QE2 Finale. They are not separe tracks, even though they have different writing credits. Not all versions even list QE2 Finale as a track at all (like my QE2 CD. The cover doesn't mention the Finale, but the CD itself does.)
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Posted: April 22 2003, 16:27

I have a very odd Italian single, not listed in R.M.'s discography... Its label is not Virgin, it's EMI Italiana... and it features Islands on side A [credited to 'Mike Oldfield featuring Bonnie Tyler'] and TWC Part 1 on Side B. :) So maybe Part 1 was (really) originally intended a 'single edit', as I've heard it defined, here and otherwise, and then Mike changed his mind about it ... ;)
Sorry about not being able to give a scan for it, but this is due to two reasons: 1) My scanner is broken; 2) Right now I have only the vinyl single, I lost the cover :(, and I don't feel like scanning a record that's probably rare. :) But I swear that it is exactly like I wrote above.


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Posted: April 23 2003, 10:46

I always thought that parts 1 and 2 of The Wind Chimes was easy to separate,Part 1 is the kind of Orchestral begining,ending at 2:30,because it goes to dead silence,then Part 2 starts,and it is very different from part 1.
If you are playing it in Window's Media Player 9,change your visualisations options to "Battery" and "Cominatcha",and it looks a lot like the visuals from the Wind Chimes video album.

This is not unusual though,because Pink Floyd have a track called "Shine On You Crazy Diamond Parts 1-7" and "Shine On You Crazy Diamond Parts 8-13"and parts 1-13 are not individual tracks,but flow into each other like movements.
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Posted: Sep. 26 2003, 17:44

Interesting topic. Here's what I think  :) . For me you can't compare this kind of track (Platinum and The Wind Chimes) with the first MO albums (TB, HR, Ommadawn and Incantations). As far as I know these 4 albums originally didn't mention any part (they only have the name of the album and the music divided in sides), in fact On Horseback on Ommadawn is mentioned at the credits as "the horse song". So probably this names such as TB (part 1) or Incantations (part 4) are simply a way to call them in compilations (probably first used in Exposed).

Then, why The Wind Chimes is one track and Platinum 4. Maybe here we can include Ommadawn B side (why not to separate it in O (part 2) and On Horseback?) and the parts of Incantations on the Exposed CD. Islands was the only one of those that appear as CD at the same time as the album but I think is the same case as the others. I imagine that Mike left the preparation of the different media (vinyl record, tape and CD) and the one/s who did the CD decided to put all in one track, in Ommadawn the responsibles probably didn't know that at the end of the track was another song (as happened with TB on Elements, in this compilation The Sailor's Hornpipe appears twice :D), on Exposed they simply copied the original track list (but they mixed a little bit side A with side B to give more continuity to the record).

Let me tell you about a couple of The Alan Parsons Project albums. There's an album called "The Turn Of A Friendly Card" whose B side has 5 songs that have a generic title: "The Turn Of A Friendly Card" (the 1st and the 5th are called "The Turn Of A Friendly Card" part 1 and 2 respectively). This 5 songs that are clearly different on the CD are in one track. In other album called "Tales Of Mistery And Imagination" there's a big instrumental called "The Fall Of The House Of Usher" divided in 5 parts. This song has one track for each one of its parts, despite they sound more like an unity than the parts of "The Turn Of A Friendly Card". The difference? Alan Parsons himself was involved in the realization of the "Tales Of Mistery And Imagination" CD.
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Posted: Sep. 29 2003, 06:50

I dunno if a song with different "parts" requires different tracks. I mean, virtually every song has different parts (I said virtually, mind  you). It would look kind of stupid to index several tracks "Moonlight Shadow - Intro", "Verse 1", "Chorus", etc. ;) My guess for why Tubular Bells, Hergest Ridge, etc. have the two parts indexed differently is because each part is a sidelong track, ie, they're naturally 2 tracks. The Wind Chimes part 1 & 2 is one sidelong song, so there's no need to separate it. Of course, it's up to the artist to split or not his compositions into tracks (The Residents' Six Things To A Cycle is now indexed as 6 tracks, but once it wasn't, while Jethro Tull's A Passion Play is 1 track - yikes! ), but I can see why The Wind Chimes is indexed as one track. If I was in Mike's place, I'd prefer it like that, too.

D'oh, I just remembered Platinum. I guess Platinum is split into 4 tracks because, stilystically, it's "four segments united by a common theme". Perhaps that's not the case with The Wind Chimes.


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Posted: Sep. 29 2003, 09:58

I used to have the older U.S. release of Islands, with the B&W "cube" photos, and TWC was split into two tracks.  I remember being surprised when the HDCD remaster was not like that.
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Posted: Oct. 01 2003, 07:47

There are a couple of vinyl issues that "split" tracks, whose CD counterparts do not. Rush's 2112 has separations between each of the parts, but the CD release is one single track. A Passion Play has a separation on side 2, whereas the CD release is ONE track (yikes!;). And so the list goes. I think separating tracks on vinyl makes not a difference bigger than splitting tracks on CD.

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