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Posted: Sep. 13 2003, 11:06

The following two questions are respectively aimed to those of you familiar with the Pink Floyd song 'High hopes', on their Division Bell album, and to those of you who heard and seen it performed live. If you did both things... well, it'd be perfect :), but I'd like you to reply at least to one item.

1) When does the church bell heard in the song stop being real and start being a sample? I mean, of course it's not 'real' anywhere in the song, 'cause they didn't have a church bell in the studio but they recorded it elsewhere. But it sounds very realistic to me in the song's intro soundscape: a buzzing bee [crossfading into 'High hopes' from the previous song on the CD, 'Lost for words'], some wind, some birds chirping, and a distant church bell sounding somewhat like a knell (as Thomas Gray would've put it, "The curfew tolls the knell of parting day"). About 12-15 seconds into this, the bell sound is picked up by some piano chords and gets mixed in those. This is the point, as I see it, where the sound stops being realistic, because the rhythm created by the piano with the bell sounds too perfect to be a real recording of a real bell. Of course, it can also be that the piano was overdubbed on the original 'open-air' recording of the bell in such a way as to create a regular rhythmical cadence, as the birds are still chirping when the piano comes in. But I tend to doubt this, as the piano+bell bit crops up two more times in the song, with no birds but with exactly the same sound and the same rhythm.

2) When they played the song on stage, e.g. during that huge VW-sponsored TV live performance (from Berlin, IIRC) which formed a substantial part of the 'Pulse' videotape, percussionist Gary Wallis was shown hitting what looked like a real (small) church bell, producing exactly the same sound of the church bell on the album. That sound was not unique to 'High hopes', because, when 'the tolling of the iron bell' was mentioned in the lyrics to 'Breathe Reprise', later on, the same sound was heard after Gilmour sang that line, and yet again Wallis was shown hitting the bell. So, is that small church bell just a trigger (as I know that Wallis uses a lot of sampled percussion sounds), or does it contribute in some way to the overall sound?

Please tell me what do you think about this.


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Posted: Sep. 13 2003, 11:43

I'm not one of the people the topic is aimed at, but some ideas...

A sample is just a recording, so the bell's probably sampled all the way through. The chirping birds could easily have been laid on afterwards - certainly anyone with any experience of radio or film sound effects work would be able to produce a very convincing soundscape using a selection of effects library material, or indeed specially recorded material.
Equally, a recording of the bell tolling repeatedly, along with various environmental sounds, could be edited to bring the hits of the bell exactly in time.

It could be a small church bell (or even a larger one) in the studio, and this goes for the video as well - miked in the right way, it could sound surprisingly large. I'm not sure what the biggest bell available to hire would be, but it's a possibility. A suitably sized church bell on a frame may not weigh much more than a grand piano, so the group's roadies would no doubt be capable of carting the thing around.

You're right that it would be possible for the bell in the concert to have been a trigger. You'd probably have noticed a microphone near it if it was miked, though not necessarily.
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Posted: Sep. 13 2003, 12:35

Quote (Korgscrew @ Sep. 13 2003, 17:43)
I'm not one of the people the topic is aimed at, but some ideas...

Why aren't you, Richard? No PF fan? :)

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Equally, a recording of the bell tolling repeatedly, along with various environmental sounds, could be edited to bring the hits of the bell exactly in time.


Like the beginning of "Money"? Where 7 pieces of tape containing various specially-created noises where stuck together to create a 7/8 beat? Is that what you mean?

The studio bell may have been large, but the video one is certainly small - no larger than 60 cm in diameter. And AFAIR it's got no microphone on it.


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Posted: Sep. 13 2003, 13:19

I am fairly certain that they just used the small Bell which you see on the Pulse video,which was from Earls Court London by the way,not Berlin,i was there.The bell could be used in the studio and amplified to give the sound of a real church bell,and i don't think it stops being a real bell either,it's the same all the way through on the record.As you said Gary Wallis hits it and sounds exactly as the record.
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Posted: Oct. 15 2003, 13:30

The bell is the REAL division bell recorded.i have read interview with Gilmour and he said it.

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