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Posted: Jan. 11 2006, 09:36

Hello,

I don't have a guitar amp. Nor do I have an electric guitar. But I feel like owning the latter somewhere in the future.

My question is: can I play electric guitar without a guitar amp?

Somebody said: connect it to a "mic in" of you cassette deck, put the cassette in record/pause mode and your stereo will playback the guitar.

You need to set the guitar itself quiet so you never clip to the input of the cassettedeck, and set the cassette deck quiet so that no clipping signal is sent to the amplifier.  If you don't play too loud, there is no risk for your equipment and speakers.

Is this correct? Who has experience with this? What are the differences in sound? What if I'd use effects like distortion?  What about feedback issues?
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Posted: Jan. 11 2006, 11:52

Yes, you'll be able to amplify the guitar by doing that, but it might not sound wonderful. Mic inputs are the wrong impedance for guitars, so plugging into them will usually give a rather dull sound. That said, it's not entirely unpleasant and it would at least let you hear the guitar; it just won't be a sound that you'll find terribly exciting.

Distortion will sound fairly horrid, and won't do your speakers much good either. Guitar speakers are specifically designed to have quite a limited response, so that the treble frequencies get filtered out; when they're allowed to pass through, the distorted guitar sounds like a wasp stuck in a jam jar. That said, some of Mike's recent recordings have featured that kind of sound, so you may like it.

Feedback is good! Not when your hifi speakers are involved, though. I doubt that you'd stand much chance of getting feedback when playing through your hifi anyway - it would have to be turned up pretty loud.

I would personally suggest buying an effects unit with an amp simulator built into it, if your budget can stretch to it. That would give you a much more usable sound, and would tame the distortion so there'd be less risk of burning out the tweeters on your speakers. I seem to remember it's not always terribly good for cassette decks to leave them in pause for a long time, so the amp simulator would save any problems there too. It would also let you play on headphones, and make recording to the computer easy, if you come to feel like doing that. Best of all, you'd have a big selection of exciting sounds to play with.

I should be working as a salesman...
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Posted: Jan. 11 2006, 13:34

Would it be better to hook it upto the "line in" of your cassette deck and then continue the procedure? (I'm using the cassette deck because with pause/rec you can further adjust the volume).

Let's drop distortion for a moment, just clean guitar.

The amp simulator sounds good but expensive. A real guitar amp mght be cheaper, but then you'd need a mic to record it to PC I assume?

Thanks for the responses!
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Posted: Jan. 11 2006, 14:24

It really needs the extra gain of the mic input to get it up to a useful level. You can try going into a line-in, but I think you'll find you'll not be able to get it loud enough for your liking.

Amp simulators start at about €50 - take a look at the Korg AX3G and Digitech RP50 if you're interested in something at about that price. Whether a real amp would be cheaper than that depends on your idea of a real amp! There are small battery powered ones (normally about 1W, 3 inch speaker) available for about €30, then for something a bit bigger (15W, 8 inch speaker) and better sounding, you'd probably have to pay upwards of €70. A lot of amps have a headphone or line output which you could connect to a PC for recording, but they don't always give a very good sound (especially with distortion - it's the same problem as with plugging in direct, there's no speaker there to soften off the sound). An amp simulator would almost certainly be better than doing that. Using a microphone in front of an amp is my preferred way of recording guitar, though. Of course there are some times when plugging in direct, or using an amp simulator gives a sound which suits the purpose better, but for the sounds I use most often, I find the amp + mic combination gives me what I want.
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Posted: Jan. 11 2006, 16:50

Thanks for that info!

I wondered because I saw the most beautiful guitar, second hand here in the music shop, only 90€.  To me that' a lot of still a lot of money though :).  Now I know that, in order to really use the guitar, I need to count about 50-70€ extra on top of the guitar.

Thanks for the info!
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Posted: Jan. 11 2006, 19:42

Well, if you've seen one you like and it's not going to be there forever, I'd say there's no harm in getting the guitar and buying an amp for it later. Electric guitars are of course even still audible when they're not plugged in (great for quiet practise at night).

Another possibility with using the hifi amp, if you're worried about damaging the speakers, is to plug in a cheap pair of headphones instead. Then you could play without worrying about damaging anything expensive.
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Posted: Jan. 12 2006, 03:59

I just sold all my cheap headphones :/.

I'm more worried about damaging my cassette deck or my preamp.  Those two combined are worth 1000€, my speakers only 50€ (I know, that's not in proportion :D) ...


I think I'll just wait and see whether I ever find a cheapo electric guitar at a carboot sale, and then decide what to do about a guitar amp. That would give me a good reason to buy a microphone once, so I can record things like my acoustic bass :).
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