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ian Group: Members Posts: 473 Joined: Nov. 1999 Posted: Dec. 18 2006, 20:02 Here is my latest track Rapture. I have also done an ambiebt version but haven't uploaded it yet. http://www.myspace.com/ianhubball Back to top

ian Group: Members Posts: 473 Joined: Nov. 1999 Posted: Dec. 21 2006, 02:01 Looks like a lack of response again here. I think I will stick with Myspace. Back to top

Alan D Group: Members Posts: 3670 Joined: Aug. 2004 Posted: Dec. 21 2006, 04:10 I think you might need to be a bit more patient - your link has only been here for a couple of days, and there's been very little activity in general on this forum during the last week. It seems very professionally produced, and it's a very attractive sound - but it seems to me like an introduction to something, rather than a piece that's complete in itself. It seems to go on too long, with too little development. The little sequence of notes that's continually repeated became a bit irritating by the end, and I found myself waiting for the great melody that I felt it was leading towards .... but it never came. But please take these comments in context - they're just my purely subjective response as a listener; I'm not competent to make any comment on the technical aspects of it. Thanks for posting it. Back to top

ian Group: Members Posts: 473 Joined: Nov. 1999 Posted: Dec. 21 2006, 14:56 Perhaps I should put some cheesy melody on it then in the style of MO. Music can be minimal with maximum impact and emotion. Thanks anyway for feedback, I respect your opinion. Back to top

Alan D Group: Members Posts: 3670 Joined: Aug. 2004 Posted: Dec. 22 2006, 03:56 Quote (ian @ Dec. 21 2006, 19:56) Perhaps I should put some cheesy melody on it then in the style of MO. He's not alone, you know. They're all at it - Wagner, Elgar, Vaughan Williams, Puccini, Beethoven, Sibelius - all those vulgar tunesmiths. I really must stop listening to them. They're obviously corrupting my taste. Back to top

ian Group: Members Posts: 473 Joined: Nov. 1999 Posted: Dec. 22 2006, 05:09 Not every piece of music has to be to a set formula ending with a "tune". I never used to word "vulgar" by the way. Other very successful artists who arn't "at it" for instance are: Phillip Glass Tangerine Dream Steve Reich Brian Eno Aphex Twin Jean Michel Jarre (waiting for cousteau) Laurie Anderson Kraftwerk klaus schultz Durutti Column Takk Back to top

Alan D Group: Members Posts: 3670 Joined: Aug. 2004 Posted: Dec. 22 2006, 06:16 Quote (ian @ Dec. 22 2006, 10:09) Not every piece of music has to be to a set formula ending with a "tune". Of course not. Such a formula would be cloyingly banal. What I meant was that as I listened to your piece, I felt that it was leading me to expect a melody that never came. I wasn't requiring it to fit a formula - I was responding to what I was hearing and trying to describe it in words (clearly not with much success). But it seems to me that there's such a big difference between our musical tastes that any comment I might make about your music is of no use to you. And I don't think there's much benefit to be had by discussing the difference between 'cheesy' and 'vulgar'. So I'll just wish you good luck in your efforts. Back to top

ian Group: Members Posts: 473 Joined: Nov. 1999 Posted: Dec. 22 2006, 09:01 And I will continue to post stuff on Myspace and get some feedback from other musicians. Back to top

fastguy101 Group: Members Posts: 69 Joined: July 2005 Posted: Dec. 22 2006, 09:18 Ian, First and foremost, I like your music.  What I hear shows some obvious thought, planning, and attention to detail and production and I envy your skills....BUT I also understand what Alan means in his responses. Many of your pieces feel like they are leading or building toward something else and maybe that's the expectation of the listener.  You define your music not the listener.   I think the best analogy in describing your songs is they feel part of something bigger i.e. like a single movement of a symphony.  The section we hear is GOOD but as the listener I am anticipating something more. I understand your comment "Music can be minimal with maximum impact and emotion." You certainly do achieve a certain level a emotion in your creations and I think you leave the listener hoping for more....Please consider that a major compliment! In the end it's your music and as I have said before, I like it. Merry Christmas! Mike Back to top

ian Group: Members Posts: 473 Joined: Nov. 1999 Posted: Dec. 22 2006, 09:28 Thanks Mike. Perhaps I should string all of my music together into one huge track....... Back to top

fastguy101 Group: Members Posts: 69 Joined: July 2005 Posted: Dec. 22 2006, 13:29 Ian, Good answer! What might be an interesting concept is to have someone take a song of yours and have THEM create the "next" part.  I can see it now... Inviting all musicians to the first annual COMPLETE AN IAN SONG CONTEST.   CONTEST RULES: Take any of the delightful Ian creations and be inspired to create the FULL song.  Enhance, embellish, expand with your wildest imagination. PRIZE: A session in the studio with the man himself, Ian.  You will participate in creating the next "unfinished" song which will be released worldwide via tubular.net and My Space. *all proceeds and potential notoriaty derived shall be subject to verification of your sanity. Back to top

ian Group: Members Posts: 473 Joined: Nov. 1999 Posted: Dec. 22 2006, 15:02 Oh you are cruel....... Back to top

fastguy101 Group: Members Posts: 69 Joined: July 2005 Posted: Dec. 23 2006, 21:01 Ian, I hope you realized the intended sarcasm.... Mike Back to top

ian Group: Members Posts: 473 Joined: Nov. 1999 Posted: Dec. 25 2006, 12:21 Quote I think the best analogy in describing your songs is they feel part of something bigger i.e. like a single movement of a symphony.  The section we hear is GOOD but as the listener I am anticipating something more. Its all relative from the perspective of the listener. There are a lot who don't agree with this view. What about the unfinished symphonies? Back to top

Trinidad Group: Members Posts: 295 Joined: Mar. 2005 Posted: Dec. 25 2006, 13:20 I like it, but, also for me, it can become a little repetitive in the end. Though, instead of anticipating anything, I think I would prefer to change the melody a little bit, to add some variation, or maybe to add a similar one and have both playing in the final part. That's my opinion, of course Back to top

ian Group: Members Posts: 473 Joined: Nov. 1999 Posted: Dec. 25 2006, 17:25 [QUOTE]to change the melody a little bit, to add some variation, or maybe to add a similar one and have both playing in the final part.[CODE] Why? Back to top

Trinidad Group: Members Posts: 295 Joined: Mar. 2005 Posted: Dec. 26 2006, 17:43 Quote (ian @ Dec. 25 2006, 23:25) Quote (Trinidad @ Dec. 25 2006, 19:20) to change the melody a little bit, to add some variation, or maybe to add a similar one and have both playing in the final part. Why? If your surprise comes from the phrase "changing the melody a little bit", I didn't mean changing it for another in the whole track, but changing it gradually through the composition. Back to top

Moz Group: Musicians Posts: 600 Joined: July 2005 Posted: Dec. 26 2006, 18:57 Well, I like it, but I actually think it would be very good as the final track on an album.  I find that my own music has more weight when putting tracks onto an album than it does as standalone tracks.  It doesn't have to be one long track - there could be some progression from track to track - repeated melodies or an ever-building crescendo of some sort.  As it stands I don't have any problems with the track apart from the rather sudden ending, but you could give it more weight by doing an album.  That's just my opinion though. As for people giving feedback, don't expect too much at this time of year, most people are busy with Christmas!  But to be fair, there is always a reason why people might not have time to listen.  The answer is to be patient.  Looking at your MySpace profile you do seem to get a lot of profile views and lots of people listen to your music.  I don't get anywhere near the level of views / plays that you get on MySpace, and I rarely get any feedback there, so it can differ from person to person.  I post my music in several places and if people give comments that's fine, if they just listen that's also fine.  I post a lot of tracks here and regularly get 0 replies, so I know how you feel, but you get much more exposure at MySpace than I do! Perhaps people are listening but don't have any feedback?  Maybe they don't know how to put their thoughts into words?  If people are happy to listen to your music, sometimes that should be enough. I've actually written a guide to help musicians get their music heard.  If you'd like to see it, send me a message.  It's not definitive and it's often a case of different strokes for different folks, but it might help a little.  Who knows! -------------- Twitter: @benbarden Back to top

ian Group: Members Posts: 473 Joined: Nov. 1999 Posted: Dec. 27 2006, 06:40 Hi Moz. Many thanks for that. I understand where you are coming from. Thanks also for your feedback on Myspace. I suppose I still have my insecurities (which stems from childhood but will spare you the details) which is why I seem to sometimes want approval from people instead of just getting on and doing what I do. I am not as bad as I used to be (thank God) but now and again I still get this need. Anyway, thanks EVERYONE for your feedback and taking the time to discuss my music. One other thing, I didnt explain was I am writing for a library that supplies to USA network TV (Pump Audio) and that is why the sudden endings occur on some of my tunes as well as them being quite short. I would like to get into doing a long piece with different sections but have never attempted it. Cheers. Back to top

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