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RICHARDGORMLIE Group: Members Posts: 98 Joined: Nov. 2004 Posted: April 12 2007, 18:51 hi all i am just going to bitch about music, i might have an acid tongue but i speak the truth!.  there is such a lack of real worth in music today.  u have sad puppets like, girls aloud, westlife, g4, pussycat dolls, beyonce, sugababes.  singers and groups now rely on there looks to sell records because they have zero talent!.  record companies want to make money and not to promote talent any more.  rap music is for sad pathetic luggage monkeys!.  rap stars look like god damn pimps.  and urban singers like beyonce, make hookers on a street corner look classy!. acts like abba and carpenters might not be cool in this day, but they sang songs that had melody and there songs could move u.  and even mike oldfield, his music has melody but so many so called mike oldfield fans let his great music flop in the charts, which is a bloody god damn shame.  and bonnie tyler, her music is great, i have a lot of her albums and it is a shame that her fans in the uk have turned there backs on her. Back to top

Moz Group: Musicians Posts: 600 Joined: July 2005 Posted: April 12 2007, 19:15 The fact is that the majority of people are into pop music.  As someone who writes and enjoys listening to instrumental music, sometimes complex in nature, I would love to see it get noticed more than it does now.  But most people prefer "easy" music, which may be unoriginal and totally predictable.  I don't think that is going to change. -------------- Twitter: @benbarden Back to top

Deadcalm Group: Awaiting Authorisation Posts: 752 Joined: Nov. 2004 Posted: April 13 2007, 03:31 The current batch of recording artists... love 'em or loathe 'em...they are refreshing.....Mika,Scissor Sisters,Kaiser Chiefs,Franz Ferdinand,The Fratellis,Paulo Nutini,Clap Your Hands Say Yeah,The View,The Feeling and Arcade Fire to name but a few(OK several!!)all seem to have an energy and freshness(even if you liken them to older bands' styles) which IMO was sadly lacking in the Coldplay style groups which abounded previously(and Coldplay had predecessors too I know)...long may this sound live..it can best be described as "Enthusiastic"...and that's no bad thing.   Check out "Arcade Fire" on the "Culture Show"  11-35pm tonight Friday BBC2 April 20th Back to top

Sir Mustapha Group: Musicians Posts: 2802 Joined: April 2003 Posted: April 19 2007, 18:50 There's always time to complain about the current state of music. People have been doing that for ages. Music is no less good today as it was back in the 70's, for example. And I say more: the state of music has never been so good, because the "middleman" between artist and audience is slowly disappearing, and we're no longer conditioned to the wills of a record company aiming for profit. We've got the Internet, that's been giving a major boost to independent artists of all kinds. Access to music is very wide and easy, so not having access to good music is more and more becoming a question of personal will than means to it. "Commercial" music has existed right since the first records have been sold. It's just that the shape of music changes over time, and all the "fluff" from previous times has either disappeared or turned into "emblems" of a vanished time. So, in retrospect, the music of yesteryear always seems better than the current one. Or do people think that, back in the 70's, all records were Dark Side of the Moon, Tubular Bells and Selling England by the Pound? Also, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss all current music. We do have a great amount of pretty ridiculous rap acts, but does that disqualify rap as a genre? Many acts rely a lot on image, but does that mean that their musical value is necessarily zero? You can always turn off what you don't like, and there's still a big amount of great artists in the mainstream. A lot of great artists are not, but that ain't new. Nick Drake only became famous after he died... -------------- Check out http://ferniecanto.com.br for all my music, including my latest albums: Don't Stay in the City, Making Amends and Builders of Worlds. Also check my Bandcamp page: http://ferniecanto.bandcamp.com Back to top

Tubularman Group: Awaiting Authorisation Posts: 2304 Joined: June 2004 Posted: April 19 2007, 21:27 i understand 100%   just have a look on this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqGrgaQsIIE there is also all those Dirty collection cd's.. and "Dirty Work" with dirty and sexy videos. All i can say is: This is sex industy. And it sells. People ego and interest for sex is just taking over. The music and rythm is there to simulate theyre feeling. And when you see this video (i must confess that her boobs, are ok and even more than ok he he) This video awakes you sexual and sensual feelings, then again, alot of people, buy this crap. Even more worst is this rap music.. I just disklike those music videos with rappers and no teeths, but gold teeth in theyre mouth, sixpack, jada jada jada.... and they "hate everything" in the lyrics. Just see what the situation is everywhere. People get this "hate music" in theyre mind and people get aggressive. have someone heard the american hard rock music from Irac soldiers?? It is the most terrible music videos i have ever seen. A friend show me this, and i must confess that i was shocked!! What is this hate? Im afraid this type of music will grown and hit the population of the music industry... Not that terrible irac soldiers videos of irac people is die ect ect.. But the hate in the music. What i think is good rap is Faithless. They have something more than just hate and lovely boodies + all the gold Gwen Stefani drown in her videos.. It is a endless talk really.. You have 10000000000 of examples.... Top 20 is rap and sex industry.. finito But of course there is real Gold out there. I mean, real music for ears. I would like to mention Ladytron and theyre use of good old korg and synths.. It is amazing lovely and melancholic electronic pop music. They have the special. watch Evil (american version) ladytron and it is something funny to see the different of ladytron ladytron interview (normal  peoples that want to bring people MUSIC then Fergie from Black eyed Peas http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr04AHxa1Ec wants to get?? just a funny thought.... and the music industry cries because no one buy music no more.. and when good musicans release music the media kills it.. it is just stupid... -------------- Mike Oldfield M i x e s https://soundcloud.com/tubularman Back to top

Holger Group: Members Posts: 1506 Joined: Feb. 2003 Posted: April 19 2007, 23:19 Well, let's see... Tool, A Perfect Circle, Björk, Radiohead, Peter Gabriel (yes, he's still a 'current' artist), Daft Punk, The Mars Volta, Riverside, Aphex Twin, Autechre, Boards of Canada, Gorillaz, Buckethead, Sigur Rós, Godspeed You! Black Emperor, Mogwai, Mastodon, Muse, Coheed and Cambria, Dredg... and I'm really just scratching the surface here. So no, I can't agree with you at all. Back to top

SoimSandheaver Group: Members Posts: 325 Joined: May 2006 Posted: April 20 2007, 03:55 There are some good bands around these days, I personally lke bands such as Arctic Monkeys, The Feeling and Franz Ferdinand. There are also a few good soloists such as Richard Ashcroft and Mika. However, saying that, there are loads of artists and singers who basically sell themselves with sex and not talent. I'm referring here to Dance, R&B and Rap. Just watch one videop that falls into any of these categories and I can almost guarantee there's gonna be a lot of female flesh. I don't want to see that, I wanna hear if the song's any good. And many of these sort of songs sound rubbish and are just noise pollution. I can't see why people like these songs and continue to buy them. For example, rap is just a sound of unoriginal beats and people speaking so blinking fast I can't tell what they're saying, but I can guess that most of the words are vulgar. I do prefer older acts such as The Beatles, Queen, ABBA, Roy Orbison, Frank Ifield and the like. I can go further and mention that I like Saints-Saens, Mozart and Beethoven too. And, of course, I love Mike Oldfield's music too. These acts actually mean something as they actually produce something that is sadly becoming rare these days - good entertainment. Catchy tunes, original lyrics (in some cases), and they produce a positive emotional response. I'm sad to say it, but most 21st Century music makes me cringe. -------------- "Three blokes go into a pub, one of them's a little bit stupid, then the whole scene unfolds, with a tedious inevitability." Back to top

Tubularman Group: Awaiting Authorisation Posts: 2304 Joined: June 2004 Posted: April 20 2007, 05:39 Quote (Holger @ April 20 2007, 05:19) Well, let's see... Tool, A Perfect Circle, Björk, Radiohead, Peter Gabriel (yes, he's still a 'current' artist), Daft Punk, The Mars Volta, Riverside, Aphex Twin, Autechre, Boards of Canada, Gorillaz, Buckethead, Sigur Rós, Godspeed You! Black Emperor, Mogwai, Mastodon, Muse, Coheed and Cambria, Dredg... and I'm really just scratching the surface here. So no, I can't agree with you at all. Gorillaz, Muse, Sigur Rós indeed... This is also groups that are popular, also in the media.. I must also include Mew and Lindsey Buckingham -------------- Mike Oldfield M i x e s https://soundcloud.com/tubularman Back to top

Chicular Group: Members Posts: 240 Joined: Sep. 2004 Posted: April 20 2007, 08:34 What i don't like about music these days is the association it has with the fashion and film industries.  James Blunt at the oscars!  Why?  He is a musician.  Even though i like Razorlights new album, i think that Johny Borrell is a bit of a twat, always looking for headlines and wanting to be everything to stay famous. Generally there is quite alot of good music out there, but there's also these manufactured acts who don't have a passion for music, their passion is being famous. Back to top

Tubularman Group: Awaiting Authorisation Posts: 2304 Joined: June 2004 Posted: April 20 2007, 09:18 like the Idol concept.. must be the most stupid thing in the music industry ever.. -------------- Mike Oldfield M i x e s https://soundcloud.com/tubularman Back to top

onion Group: Members Posts: 104 Joined: July 2005 Posted: April 20 2007, 12:43 Quote (Tubularman @ April 20 2007, 15:18) like the Idol concept.. must be the most stupid thing in the music industry ever.. Well, I agree but many many stupid people are buying this stupid "music"   ...it´s commercialism at it worst   With the exception of Oldfart >>sorry Oldfield   << and few other artists, the last time there was good music around, was when our ancestors threw stones at each others feet to hear the loud screams   Now I think about it....it´s been over 10 years since I listened to the radio in over 1 minute before I turning it off.... musicians now a days is sheep...people now a days is sheep... the musiccompanys now a days is just a moneylaundry for the fat greedy sheep's .. God I hate sheep´s   -------------- Are soft boiled eggs supposed to make a crunchy noise when you eat them? Back to top

jonnyw Group: Members Posts: 522 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: April 23 2007, 09:59 I must say, i used to be like this- where i thought everything on the radio was crap,  talentless, manufactured nonsense. but then i came out of my shell and realised music is what sounds good to me, and i should forget about the image behind it. so yes, i listen to the radio quite frequently. - i love listening to some acts that a lot of you would be ashamed to say you like. I completely agree with holger- Quote Well, let's see... Tool, A Perfect Circle, Björk, Radiohead, Peter Gabriel (yes, he's still a 'current' artist), Daft Punk, The Mars Volta, Riverside, Aphex Twin, Autechre, Boards of Canada, Gorillaz, Buckethead, Sigur Rós, Godspeed You! Black Emperor, Mogwai, Mastodon, Muse, Coheed and Cambria, Dredg... and I'm really just scratching the surface here. So no, I can't agree with you at all. I went to see a chart topping band recently - Muse. They are not manufactured, hell ill turn on a music channel and there will be Tool playing. Rush is stull classed as a current act, with thier new single doing quite well. keep an eye out soon, and i guarantee you will hear talk of Duke Special round here on tubular, an irish musican whos just been signed to Sony. The music industry is getting less and less shallow day by day as we see record labels go out the window thanks to the internet. You mention about acts like girls aloud being crap, to be honest, i think they are ace singers, and i can hold my hands up to say if they come on the radio ill listen to them. So their promo company uses titilation to sell cds, take a look at Mike Oldfield's Froggy-went-a-courting! -------------- Grand piano. Reed and pipe organ. Glockenspeil. Bass guitar. Vocal chords. Two slightly sampled electric guitars. The venitian effect. Digital sound processor. And Tubular bells. Solo music - http://-terrapin-.bebo.com Band music - http://www.rsimusic.com Back to top

jonnyw Group: Members Posts: 522 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: April 23 2007, 10:01 ..Oh and lets not forget - when abba etc were popular there were people exactly like you saying that music has gone crazy from way back in the day to them too. -------------- Grand piano. Reed and pipe organ. Glockenspeil. Bass guitar. Vocal chords. Two slightly sampled electric guitars. The venitian effect. Digital sound processor. And Tubular bells. Solo music - http://-terrapin-.bebo.com Band music - http://www.rsimusic.com Back to top

jonnyw Group: Members Posts: 522 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: April 23 2007, 10:15 and another post - regarding R&B - its a phrase thats been banged around a lot - Rhythm and Blues? like jools holland?   Im a Huge fan of DJ shadow, and hes been known to collaborate with the likes of coldcut and UNKLE - not hugely my taste, but i can understand the talent required for interesting drum and bass, I dont think that just because one or two rap artists are sleezy and OTT is enough to call Rap-rhythm and blues and hip hop (although i prefer Trip hop) crap, because wetaher we like it or not, fans of that music are saying the same about our prog rock. you just cant simply make sweeping statements about music. -------------- Grand piano. Reed and pipe organ. Glockenspeil. Bass guitar. Vocal chords. Two slightly sampled electric guitars. The venitian effect. Digital sound processor. And Tubular bells. Solo music - http://-terrapin-.bebo.com Band music - http://www.rsimusic.com Back to top

RICHARDGORMLIE Group: Members Posts: 98 Joined: Nov. 2004 Posted: June 03 2007, 07:20 a lot of people think black singers do r&b, wrong black singers do urban music.  r&b is is music by the likes of bonnie raitt and jools holland. Back to top

Holger Group: Members Posts: 1506 Joined: Feb. 2003 Posted: June 04 2007, 11:11 Quote (RICHARDGORMLIE @ June 03 2007, 13:20) a lot of people think black singers do r&b, wrong black singers do urban music.  r&b is is music by the likes of bonnie raitt and jools holland. What kind of a statement is that, anyway? "Black singers do urban music?" "Black singers" perform a wide variety of styles. (example) And concerning R&B - Quote Rhythm and blues (also known as R&B or RnB) is a popular music genre combining jazz, gospel, and blues influences, first performed by African American artists. The term was coined as a musical marketing term in the United States in 1947 by Jerry Wexler at Billboard magazine. It replaced the term race music (which originally came from within the black community, but was deemed offensive in the more positive postwar world) and the Billboard category Harlem Hit Parade in June 1949. Source: Wikipedia Back to top

moonchildhippy Group: Members Posts: 1807 Joined: Dec. 2004 Posted: June 04 2007, 13:09 Quote (Holger @ June 04 2007, 15:11) Quote (RICHARDGORMLIE @ June 03 2007, 13:20) a lot of people think black singers do r&b, wrong black singers do urban music.  r&b is is music by the likes of bonnie raitt and jools holland. What kind of a statement is that, anyway? "Black singers do urban music?" "Black singers" perform a wide variety of styles. (example) And concerning R&B - Quote Rhythm and blues (also known as R&B or RnB) is a popular music genre combining jazz, gospel, and blues influences, first performed by African American artists. The term was coined as a musical marketing term in the United States in 1947 by Jerry Wexler at Billboard magazine. It replaced the term race music (which originally came from within the black community, but was deemed offensive in the more positive postwar world) and the Billboard category Harlem Hit Parade in June 1949. Source: Wikipedia How about early Rolling Stones , they brought the music of h Blues luminaries  such as Chuck Berry, Muddy Waters, Willie Dixon and Howlin' Wolf to the  attention of the world   .  Strange it took five white men from England to bring the Blues into the rock world, and take it back to White America, (or maybe not at that time).  I think the BBC turned the Rolling Stones down for a radio programme c1963 as Mick Jagger sounded "Too Black" ????   Mention R&B to me and I instantly think of early Rolling Stones. I guess I've just grown up with The Rolling Stones' music, my Dad 1944-2005 was a fan since 1963, and I've grown to love the Stones too   . -------------- I'm going slightly mad, It finally happened, I'm slightly mad , just very slightly mad If you feel a little glum to Hergest Ridge you should come. I'm challenging  taboos surrounding mental health "Part time hippy" I'M SUPPORTING OUR SOLDIERS BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!! Back to top

TOBY Group: Members Posts: 1562 Joined: May 2002 Posted: June 04 2007, 13:53 Quote (RICHARDGORMLIE @ April 12 2007, 18:51) hi all i am just going to bitch about music, i might have an acid tongue but i speak the truth!.  there is such a lack of real worth in music today.  u have sad puppets like, girls aloud, westlife, g4, pussycat dolls, beyonce, sugababes.  singers and groups now rely on there looks to sell records because they have zero talent!.  record companies want to make money and not to promote talent any more.  rap music is for sad pathetic luggage monkeys!.  rap stars look like god damn pimps.  and urban singers like beyonce, make hookers on a street corner look classy!. acts like abba and carpenters might not be cool in this day, but they sang songs that had melody and there songs could move u.  and even mike oldfield, his music has melody but so many so called mike oldfield fans let his great music flop in the charts, which is a bloody god damn shame.  and bonnie tyler, her music is great, i have a lot of her albums and it is a shame that her fans in the uk have turned there backs on her. What on earth are you talking about mate? "but so many so called Mike Oldfield fans let his great music flop in the charts" ?????????  What are we to do buy truck loads of his 'great' recent albums just so he gets in the charts? And who are 'so called Mike Oldfield fans' There isn't a ranking system for being a devoted MO fan (as far as I'm aware) As a fan of his music I don't have an official duty or responsibility to buy everything he does just so he does well. I'm afraid you don't speak the truth at all when you say 'there is a lack of real worth in music today' Bollocks! Do you actually go out of your way to discover new music or do you just react blindly to what you hear in the charts? There's great music being written today by a ton of great new bands and artists. I've discovered more great music in the last 12 months than i have in the last 3 years or so. And as for record companies being obsessed with vacuous music, image and money. Has this only just dawned on you? Its been this way almost since the year zero in rock 'n roll. And Mike Oldfield has in the past seemed just as obsessed with selling records and compromising everything in his desire to do so as something as manufactured as the Sugababes or the Pussycat Dolls, the difference is the later weren't hypocritical over what they were or were not about in order to do so. ps Do you actually listen to artists like Beyonce? I don't really see what the fundamental difference between her and someone like Bonnie Tyler is (other than Beyonce having a far better voice and far better songs) As far as I'm aware Bonnie Tyler didn't write most if not any of her biggest chart hits so why is she not manufactured whilst someone like Beyonce is? Back to top

Bill Bobaggins Group: Members Posts: 477 Joined: June 2005 Posted: June 04 2007, 19:41 "As far as I'm aware Bonnie Tyler didn't write most if not any of her biggest chart hits so why is she not manufactured whilst someone like Beyonce is?" Because Bonnie Tyler doesn't have the face and the body of Beyonce. -------------- Speak friend and enter. Back to top

Holger Group: Members Posts: 1506 Joined: Feb. 2003 Posted: June 05 2007, 01:54 Beyonce writes her own music though, as far as I'm aware. Back to top

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