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qjamesfloyd Group: Members Posts: 1357 Joined: April 2001 Posted: Aug. 30 2003, 13:38 I would like some more background regarding Shine,was it Mike's choice to get Jon Anderson to sing?are there any alternitive versions of the track?does an accoustic demo exist? any more info? Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Aug. 30 2003, 18:23 To put it quite simply: 1) Yes. 2) The original and the extended version exist. Both, I think,  are very easy to find on the Net. 3) Not that I'm aware of. I hope that this answers your questions. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

MO fan Group: Members Posts: 177 Joined: Nov. 2002 Posted: Aug. 30 2003, 20:29 I would like to add that if any of you are interested in trying out Jon Andersons music, then start off with one of his best albums... 'The friends of Mr Cairo' by Jon & Vangelis. Its one of my favorite albums   Cheers MO fan   Back to top

3Wheeler Group: Members Posts: 828 Joined: Aug. 2007 Posted: Dec. 31 2010, 14:11 Down Loaded The Single off You Tube in Not Bad Quality Some time ago... Sometimes I quite Like the Song .. Depends on the Mood...       Sounds like it was written with Him in mind for the Vocals Anyway...  Seems to Suit.. OK.. -------------- We're Flying Aeroflot, We've Got Reservations. Back to top

Philippe Tavares Group: Members Posts: 1613 Joined: Feb. 2005 Posted: Dec. 31 2010, 14:28 I think this song is really cool ! For me the solo guitar in it is one of the best from Mike . Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Dec. 31 2010, 19:59 The song is cool, but I personally hate Jon Anderson's voice outside of Yes and Jon & Vangelis. IMHO his voice is definitely not suited to Mike's music - I think he's the worst vocalist Mike has ever had. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4770 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: Dec. 31 2010, 22:49 Quote (Ugo @ Dec. 31 2010, 19:59) The song is cool, but I personally hate Jon Anderson's voice outside of Yes and Jon & Vangelis. IMHO his voice is definitely not suited to Mike's music - I think he's the worst vocalist Mike has ever had. Totally agree, Ugo!! That shouted "Shiiine!!!!" at the beginning is especially annoying, in my opinion. I've been trying to work out for ages why his vocal style doesn't mesh with Mike's music, but for once I have no ideas. Jon Anderson does vocals on one King Crimson track (below); what do you think of it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la_uqgHBEb8 Back to top

3Wheeler Group: Members Posts: 828 Joined: Aug. 2007 Posted: Jan. 01 2011, 04:49 Quote (Ugo @ Dec. 31 2010, 19:59) The song is cool, but I personally hate Jon Anderson's voice outside of Yes and Jon & Vangelis. IMHO his voice is definitely not suited to Mike's music - I think he's the worst vocalist Mike has ever had. Who else would you prefer to Sing "Shine" ??   Personally I reckon the Song just wasnt Composed First. Then a sort of Hunt around for someone to sing it... It sounds to me personally as If Anderson was Down to sing a Song for Mike then it was Written for him not the other way round...  Maybe wrong but thats how the Song sounds to me.   -------------- We're Flying Aeroflot, We've Got Reservations. Back to top

wiga Group: Members Posts: 2113 Joined: Sep. 2008 Posted: Jan. 01 2011, 07:54 Quote (nightspore @ Jan. 01 2011, 03:49) I've been trying to work out for ages why his vocal style doesn't mesh with Mike's music, but for once I have no ideas. I've got some ideas. I think his vocal style requires backing vocals or floaty melodic music to harmonise it and give it that characteristic 'Yes' sound. Without it he can sound a bit stark and naked. With "In High Places" there's also no harmonies to support his vocals, but I quite like his voice in that song. The backing  music wraps around him eventually, albeit loosely. -------------- Barn's burnt down - now I can see the moon. Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Jan. 01 2011, 10:10 @ 3Wheeler: Barry Palmer. Mike's songs are not really "written for" anyone in particular. I think Mike looks for a vocalist only after he's completed a song; of course he has a tendency to pick either female vocalists or male vocalists with high-pitched voices, and sometimes it can prove troublesome to him to pick the right voice for a song of his. The perfect example of this is "Pictures in the Dark", which features no less than four singers (Anita, Barry, Aled Jones and Mike himself). "Islands" was the only exception to this rule, and I can easily see why that song is hated by pretty much everybody in here... except for me. @ Wiga: I think "In High Places" is even worse than "Shine" !! At least "Shine" is a nice pop song... "In High Places" just sounds to me musically meaningless. @ nightspore: as I said, I can't play YouTube videos right now. But I do know the Lizard album, and I do know that it's messy. KC's Islands, on the other hand, is fantastic. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

Milamber Group: Musicians Posts: 2275 Joined: Feb. 2010 Posted: Jan. 01 2011, 10:53 It's those uber tight pants he wears in the clip that restrict his natural castrati like tones. Good song though, epic solo. Back to top

wiga Group: Members Posts: 2113 Joined: Sep. 2008 Posted: Jan. 01 2011, 10:55 Castrati? -------------- Barn's burnt down - now I can see the moon. Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Jan. 01 2011, 14:56 Quote (wiga @ Jan. 01 2011, 16:55) Castrati? Young men with no balls. Literally. I'd better not get vulgar again and re-direct you here. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

Philippe Tavares Group: Members Posts: 1613 Joined: Feb. 2005 Posted: Jan. 01 2011, 16:33 Farinelli ! Back to top

3Wheeler Group: Members Posts: 828 Joined: Aug. 2007 Posted: Jan. 01 2011, 16:52 Quote (Ugo @ Jan. 01 2011, 10:10) @ 3Wheeler: Barry Palmer. Mike's songs are not really "written for" anyone in particular. I think Mike looks for a vocalist only after he's completed a song; of course he has a tendency to pick either female vocalists or male vocalists with high-pitched voice Personally I Dont Go Along with That... Palmer & Reilly were all in it together when "Discovery" was put together . He new exactly who was singing the Songs and probably Wrote accordingly. Even "Man in the Rain" was written with Maggie Reilly in Mind but she would'nt do it for some reason or other.. So he had to go find a Sound Alike Singer.. -------------- We're Flying Aeroflot, We've Got Reservations. Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Jan. 01 2011, 17:59 Quote (3Wheeler @ Jan. 01 2011, 22:52) Even "Man in the Rain" was written with Maggie Reilly in Mind but she would'nt do it for some reason or other.. So he had to go find a Sound Alike Singer.. Nope! "Man in the Rain" was written immediately after "Moonlight Shadow", but the story I know is not that Maggie wouldn't do it - what I know about it was that the record company prevented Mike to release it because MitR was too obviously similar to MS; he had to wait 15 years to release it, and of course in 1998 Maggie wasn't available because her professional ties with Mike were severed back in the Eighties (although AFAIK they are still friends) - so he had to find a sound-alike. But this doesn't mean that the song was written for Maggie; it was a song written in the style of MS. Even "Crime of Passion" was written "in the style of MS", but Maggie was not available when Mike got to record it, so he had to find another vocalist. "Islands" was "meant" for Barry Palmer; he sang on the demo and he still can be heard in the chorus; after 3 months of tinkering with the song, Mike decided he didn't like Barry's performance and got stuck, but luckily Bonnie Tyler happened to be recording in the same studio he was using. Regarding "Pictures in the Dark", I think Mike got three voices (and himself) involved in it because he had problems with it - he could never find one voice which totally satisfied him. It was definitely not "meant" for Aled Jones: anyone could've done that bit, it's just that Mike fancied to have that bit done by a choirboy because he liked the sound of a choirboy's voice. PitD sounds much more like it was "meant" for Anita than anyone else, but then maybe Mike was not satisfied with the chorus, and he involved other people. So in the chorus you get: "Pictures in the dark I see..." (Anita, very low); "Morpheus..." (Barry); "...comes to me" (Anita + Barry). Yes, it's that messy. But it works. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

larstangmark Group: Members Posts: 1767 Joined: Mar. 2005 Posted: Jan. 01 2011, 18:31 Was Man in the Rain really written immediately after Moonlight Shadow? I remember an old interview with Barry Palmer where he said that he first heard Man in the Rain when Mike had some sort of rehearsal band ("bar room band" as Barry refered to it) right before he started recording Islands. Crime of Passion and Poison Arrows are quite obviously MS clones to some extent. Would have been weird if Virgin rejected Man in the Rain and then gave thumbs up to Crime of Passion - a song that apart sounding an awful lot like MS is surprisingly hook-less and pale (almost bleak in mood). -------------- "There are twelve people in the world, the rest are paste" Mark E Smith Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Jan. 01 2011, 19:02 Quote (larstangmark @ Jan. 02 2011, 00:31) Was Man in the Rain really written immediately after Moonlight Shadow? That was the story that came out when TBIII was released. Maybe the part about Virgin not wanting to release it isn't really true - to me it's more likely that it was too personal a song for Mike, so he just kept it in a (metaphoric) drawer. Maybe Mike attempted to pull it out of the drawer as far back as 1987, which explains Barry's recollection of it. However, the story that came out in 1998 was that Mike wrote it immediately after MS became so successful, because he hoped to score another hit by reproducing the pattern. This is why MitR is such an obvious clone of MS, and this is why Mike was able to use the same drum track as MS when he released it on TBIII. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

wiga Group: Members Posts: 2113 Joined: Sep. 2008 Posted: Jan. 02 2011, 04:06 Jon's vocals sound best with dreamy back up music like this.   [URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPr-Zx3pnCY&feature=related] -------------- Barn's burnt down - now I can see the moon. Back to top

3Wheeler Group: Members Posts: 828 Joined: Aug. 2007 Posted: Jan. 02 2011, 04:27 Quote (Ugo @ Jan. 01 2011, 17:59) Quote (3Wheeler @ Jan. 01 2011, 22:52) Even "Man in the Rain" was written with Maggie Reilly in Mind but she would'nt do it for some reason or other.. So he had to go find a Sound Alike Singer.. Nope! "Man in the Rain" was written immediately after "Moonlight Shadow", but the story I know is not that Maggie wouldn't do it - what I know about it was that the record company prevented Mike to release it because MitR was too obviously similar to MS; he had to wait 15 years to release it, and of course in 1998 Maggie wasn't available because her professional ties with Mike were severed back in the Eighties (although AFAIK they are still friends) - so he had to find a sound-alike. But this doesn't mean that the song was written for Maggie; it was a song written in the style of MS. Even "Crime of Passion" was written "in the style of MS", but Maggie was not available when Mike got to record it, so he had to find another vocalist. I recall Maggie in an Interview saying Mike Phoned her up personally & Asked if she Could do the Vocals on "Man in the Rain" But her Manager wouldnt give it the Thumbs up...  Could of been Written from Crisis Period onwards I guess and Put on the Shelf....   Point being He wrote it with Maggie in Mind I would Imagine...    .   -------------- We're Flying Aeroflot, We've Got Reservations. Back to top

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