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EeToN Group: Members Posts: 845 Joined: Sep. 2001 Posted: Nov. 04 2004, 18:49 Actually, this track doesn't have much to do with Mike but maybe some of you will like it. It's a part of one of my projects called 'Marine'. Shoal If you have any thoughts, advices in connection with it, please tell me. EDIT: Now it's available through the following link: Shoal (Remix) -------------- If I were music, I would be Enigmatism. Back to top

MusicallyInspired Group: Musicians Posts: 1445 Joined: June 2001 Posted: Nov. 04 2004, 23:31 WOW! This is exactly the kind of synth stuff I love! Very similar to the Prisms stuff I posted earlier. It's JMJ-ish too. Though it's the kind of sound I would have rather heard JMJ make. Great job! The only thing I'm complaining about is that it's too short!! If you're making any more songs like this please keep me posted!! -------------- BrandonBlume.com "The beauty in life is in the embracing of the variety of things. If all the world was blue there would be no colour blue." Back to top

ktran Group: Members Posts: 156 Joined: May 2003 Posted: Nov. 04 2004, 23:38 This is quite well done. I love the little repeating motifs and their variations, and the mild dissonances are pulled-off well. I do think the ending is a bit abrupt, though, perhaps even a second or two more worth of fade-out would help. rgds, -------------- Khoa Tran www.suspendedseconds.ca Back to top

MusicallyInspired Group: Musicians Posts: 1445 Joined: June 2001 Posted: Nov. 04 2004, 23:57 I was wondering...is this a MOD? Some of the way it sounds sounds like MOD effects and how MODs play instruments. It also sounds like this song: http://www.modarchive.com/cgi-bin/download.cgi?L/lcm.xm Not that I'm accusing you of ripping something, but it's also a similar style and I love both songs. -------------- BrandonBlume.com "The beauty in life is in the embracing of the variety of things. If all the world was blue there would be no colour blue." Back to top

Jammer Group: Members Posts: 643 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Nov. 05 2004, 07:15 Very good work. I liked the choice of synth sounds and extra effects put in At times the drums felt like they were masked by all the pad sounds going on. You could possibly try adjusting the EQ on the rhythm tracks so that there are fewer high and mid frequencies I'm with the others on the abrupt ending. It could go on for another five minutes and I'd still be happy. You could try dropping out the tracks to create a better sense of the ending I used to write music in MOD format when I was 9! I could only use scratchy 8-bit samples on my Amiga computer. Unfortunately none of those tracks survived. Back to top

EeToN Group: Members Posts: 845 Joined: Sep. 2001 Posted: Nov. 05 2004, 08:42 Thanks for your kind comments! Quote The only thing I'm complaining about is that it's too short!! Yes, it's also my problem. But I haven't finished anything for a year so I decided to take it as a finished work. Quote If you're making any more songs like this please keep me posted!! Actually, on 'Marine' this is the most "rhythmical" track though e.g. 'Fish-Dance' and 'Underwater Bell' are of course similar in a way (these tracks are available on my SoundClick page). Quote I do think the ending is a bit abrupt, though, perhaps even a second or two more worth of fade-out would help. I really had problems with it and I see that it's not perfect even now. But if it's not the real ending then this is not a big problem. Quote I was wondering...is this a MOD? It's not exactly a MOD because that format had some limits - maximum 4 tracks at the same time... There is a moment in Shoal where 72 tracks are used. But you're right that it was made with a tracker, namely Impulse Tracker. I know this is an old technique but I'm very used to it and I don't find the same possibility of giving the exact sounding of every sound in sequencers... or they're unhandy - to me. Quote It also sounds like this song:... To be honest, this track seems to lack one of the most important things in my opinion - progressing and going somewhere. But anyway as a base it would be good. Quote At times the drums felt like they were masked by all the pad sounds going on. You could possibly try adjusting the EQ on the rhythm tracks so that there are fewer high and mid frequencies Thanks for the advice! Quote It could go on for another five minutes and I'd still be happy. Me too, but I don't see at the moment how it could be progressing farther and (for the present) there are too few secondary subjects to fill the track up with. But I'll find out something. -------------- If I were music, I would be Enigmatism. Back to top

MusicallyInspired Group: Musicians Posts: 1445 Joined: June 2001 Posted: Nov. 05 2004, 12:27 Quote It's not exactly a MOD because that format had some limits - maximum 4 tracks at the same time... There is a moment in Shoal where 72 tracks are used. But you're right that it was made with a tracker, namely Impulse Tracker. Well yeah but I still call them all MODs. Not exactly a .MOD file but the same principle. All my MODs a are .ITs as well . I used Impulse Tracker until I found MODPlug Tracker for windows which I've suddenly grown accustomed to so I make all my .ITs with that. It's the best format. As many channels as you want you can have. I've never heard as good samples as what you used for this song, though! Quote To be honest, this track seems to lack one of the most important things in my opinion - progressing and going somewhere. But anyway as a base it would be good. Oh, I agree. I only meant that it was similar in the way you created your chord progression. I think it was kind of the point of the song anyway to just go on and on like that forever. I made an extended version, actually, a while back for fun. Still loops but there's more variety. Check it out: http://smc.sq7.org/miscfile/brandon/loop-cycle_motion_extended.it Congrats again! -------------- BrandonBlume.com "The beauty in life is in the embracing of the variety of things. If all the world was blue there would be no colour blue." Back to top

EeToN Group: Members Posts: 845 Joined: Sep. 2001 Posted: Nov. 06 2004, 10:15 Quote I used Impulse Tracker until I found MODPlug Tracker for windows which I've suddenly grown accustomed to so I make all my .ITs with that. I have MODPlug Tracker, too, but it has a huge problem - it can't extract samples directly from other MODs. Furthermore I managed to persuade Impulse Tracker to run under WinXP. I only use MODPlug Tracker for additional mixing - and for converting MODs to MIDIs. Quote I made an extended version It's definitely better now. -------------- If I were music, I would be Enigmatism. Back to top

MusicallyInspired Group: Musicians Posts: 1445 Joined: June 2001 Posted: Nov. 06 2004, 13:14 Quote (EeToN @ Nov. 06 2004, 10:15) I have MODPlug Tracker, too, but it has a huge problem - it can't extract samples directly from other MODs. What do you mean? I did it all the time. You just go to samples and save them as wavs. Or am I missing something? -------------- BrandonBlume.com "The beauty in life is in the embracing of the variety of things. If all the world was blue there would be no colour blue." Back to top

EeToN Group: Members Posts: 845 Joined: Sep. 2001 Posted: Nov. 06 2004, 14:56 Quote (MusicallyInspired @ Nov. 06 2004, 19:14) What do you mean? I did it all the time. You just go to samples and save them as wavs. Or am I missing something? You can save them as wavs but that's not direct extracting as in IT where you can go inside a track and if you hit ENTER the sample is immediately in your song. -------------- If I were music, I would be Enigmatism. Back to top

MusicallyInspired Group: Musicians Posts: 1445 Joined: June 2001 Posted: Nov. 06 2004, 18:01 Ah yes I remember that from IT now..:) -------------- BrandonBlume.com "The beauty in life is in the embracing of the variety of things. If all the world was blue there would be no colour blue." Back to top

MusicallyInspired Group: Musicians Posts: 1445 Joined: June 2001 Posted: Dec. 19 2004, 01:39 Forgive me EeToN, but I liked this tune so much I recorded some guitar over it. I don't know if it adds to it or not but it was sure fun . http://smc.sq7.org/miscfile/brandon/shoal_guitar.ogg -------------- BrandonBlume.com "The beauty in life is in the embracing of the variety of things. If all the world was blue there would be no colour blue." Back to top

EeToN Group: Members Posts: 845 Joined: Sep. 2001 Posted: Dec. 19 2004, 08:15 Wow! It was a great idea, it sounds great! Thank you! I should also learn to play the guitar. (To be also a bit critical: the guitar overshadows the other sounds a bit too much to my ears - though it's not surely a problem. ) -------------- If I were music, I would be Enigmatism. Back to top

MusicallyInspired Group: Musicians Posts: 1445 Joined: June 2001 Posted: Dec. 19 2004, 13:45 Yeah it is overpowering...I'm notorious for doing that lol. Thanks, though. -------------- BrandonBlume.com "The beauty in life is in the embracing of the variety of things. If all the world was blue there would be no colour blue." Back to top

EeToN Group: Members Posts: 845 Joined: Sep. 2001 Posted: Dec. 24 2004, 20:43 Well, I made a (hopefully) more balanced version, with more bass and not that much guitar. And to me the previous version was too much compressed, the very high sounds weren't clear, that's also corrected. Shoal Though it's still far from perfect, I'll probably make another version with more modifications. -------------- If I were music, I would be Enigmatism. Back to top

MusicallyInspired Group: Musicians Posts: 1445 Joined: June 2001 Posted: Dec. 30 2004, 13:12 Sorry I haven't replied my internet's been down since boxing day. Grrrr... Great job! Definitely flows a lot better now. Congrats! -------------- BrandonBlume.com "The beauty in life is in the embracing of the variety of things. If all the world was blue there would be no colour blue." Back to top

EeToN Group: Members Posts: 845 Joined: Sep. 2001 Posted: Dec. 30 2004, 18:41 Thanks! Unfortunately at the moment I don't have time to deal more with it. -------------- If I were music, I would be Enigmatism. Back to top

MusicallyInspired Group: Musicians Posts: 1445 Joined: June 2001 Posted: Dec. 30 2004, 22:38 That's ok it still sounds just fine the way it is. -------------- BrandonBlume.com "The beauty in life is in the embracing of the variety of things. If all the world was blue there would be no colour blue." Back to top

EeToN Group: Members Posts: 845 Joined: Sep. 2001 Posted: Dec. 31 2004, 07:31 Well, the music is clearer in my head. -------------- If I were music, I would be Enigmatism. Back to top

EeToN Group: Members Posts: 845 Joined: Sep. 2001 Posted: Aug. 08 2022, 18:05 To close the loop here, a much improved version of Shoal and its remix that features Brandon's re-recorded guitar playing is now available on my new album Submersion which can be listened to in its entirety on my Bandcamp page. I hope you'll enjoy it.   -------------- If I were music, I would be Enigmatism. Back to top

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