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Scatterplot Group: Members Posts: 1981 Joined: Dec. 2007 Posted: Jan. 20 2009, 10:36 Just doing my computer things as the TV is going in the next room. In a couple of hours Obama will be sworn in. I've waited 8 years to say.......what an Idiot Bush was. With a capital "I". This guy was the source of continuous amazement for me as he constantly babbled like a buffoon and was the source of so much comedy. Plus I had to put up with him as Governer too. George Carlin said it perfectly: "I call him Gov. Bush, not President Bush because it was the last elected office he ever legally won." Al Gore was supposed to be in the center seat these last 8 years. Bush had a low IQ, acted like a fool. Every time I looked into his eyes on TV, it seemed I was looking at some comedian. Not a brilliant one like Carlin.......more like......Larry The Cable Guy. Today is a good day. I wanted Gore to run again and win what was his. But oh well. Obama is brilliant and I see good things ahead. -------------- We raise our voices in the night Crying to heaven And will our voices be heard Or will they break Like the wind Back to top

Bassman Group: Members Posts: 548 Joined: Feb. 2008 Posted: Jan. 20 2009, 11:55 As a Canadian who's spent the last 8 years in the same bewildered disbelief, I hope my agreement with you is not unwelcome. At the times that I thought GWB couldn't possibly get worse I was always reminded of an old SNL skit with the late, great Phil Hartman doing Ronald Reagan.  In the skit he was in some sort of briefing with his aides, appearing for all the world like a senile, doddering old man and as soon as the cameras were off he snaps into action barking orders and whipping out ingenious schemes of espionage... the point of the skit being that the doddering old man bit was just a facade, hiding a clever, crafty political genius.  Then a couple of kids came in for a photo-op and the facade was slipped into once again.  The point was brilliantly made (and Hartman was a comedy god). I often couldn't help but wonder if GW was having us off in a similar way.  His accomplishments would seem to indicate no. Again, as one who is merely a northern cousin, I've got to say that what the American people did in electing Obama was a gutsy and magnificent thing to do.  Even if the events of the next 4 years do not bear witness to the optimism and intelligence the man has come to represent, just the fact that he's there is an example that America still has some frontier-style willingness to boot out the status quo when they really want to... and try a different approach. In my humble opinion.   Back to top

Scatterplot Group: Members Posts: 1981 Joined: Dec. 2007 Posted: Jan. 20 2009, 12:38 America's problem has always been in believing that the president controls everything and is to blame for everything. Not so, given there are 3 branches of govt. "in checks and balances" and that big military decisions are in control of many or at least several other people. Americans need to realize it's a team effort. All 1/2 billion of them(or whatever the correct census is) need to realize global warming and all else is something the govt. does not have the means to correct. A govt. is an "organizer" not a magic means to an end, positive outcome or negative. So many challenges have to met by everybody acting on a unified basis. I've met many(kind of dumb) people in my life....."why doesn't Clinton fix this?" or "why doesn't Reagan fix that?". My answer was always the same, "everybody has to get off their ass and make the effort and the change." My Opinion anyway...... -------------- We raise our voices in the night Crying to heaven And will our voices be heard Or will they break Like the wind Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4770 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: Jan. 20 2009, 17:42 The expectations of Obama are so unrealistically high, however, that there is bound to be disappointment sooner or later - probably reflected in financial gloom. Back to top

ex member 419 Group: Members Posts: 1177 Joined: April 2008 Posted: Jan. 20 2009, 20:05 To all my American friends, GWB caused more collateral damage in America, not to mention Crimes Against Humanity ( should be punishable by the Hague ). Obama reserves the right to Pardon his actions and not be subject to criminal indictment proceedings, but it will be interesting to see if Bush is officially pardoned. I feel sorry for his fellow Texans. As Governor, he presided over a system which executed many poor black and white men, unable to afford legal counsel. You don't see rich upwardly mobile crims facing this do you? Personally, I don't believe in the death penalty, from what Iv learnt, not even nurses insert the cannula into the vein of the accused. In some cases gaol wardens perform this duty. The result? Not the quick painless death we are led to believe, but slow painful death as Pottasium Chloride (stops the heart and implodes the lungs, the inmate chokes) leaks into tissue and burns arms legs and blood vessels. Two wrongs don't make a right- there should be an end to mandatory death sentencing in America (varies State by State). Cheers, Deb Back to top

Scatterplot Group: Members Posts: 1981 Joined: Dec. 2007 Posted: Jan. 21 2009, 13:57 Nicely said. I agree. I had a sister once, named Deb. She would agree with you. I don't think this will be like a Ford pardons Nixon thing. Obama is too ethical and intelligent. Only time will tell.... -------------- We raise our voices in the night Crying to heaven And will our voices be heard Or will they break Like the wind Back to top

Sir Mustapha Group: Musicians Posts: 2802 Joined: April 2003 Posted: Jan. 21 2009, 19:32 I just hope Obama can handle the backlash that's about to come, since he's not to blame for the absurd hype and belief that he'd change water into wine overnight. People can be that ignorant. I also have to say: I'm downright scared of Sarah Palin. -------------- Check out http://ferniecanto.com.br for all my music, including my latest albums: Don't Stay in the City, Making Amends and Builders of Worlds. Also check my Bandcamp page: http://ferniecanto.bandcamp.com Back to top

Inkanta Group: Admins Posts: 1453 Joined: Feb. 2000 Posted: Jan. 21 2009, 22:33 As Bush flew off in his helicopter into the annals of history, I had hoped that perhaps they'd be taking a detour to the Hague. What a relief to now be represented by someone articulate and thinking. Obama won't be perfect, but I for one am very hopeful. I think he gets that the USA doesn't get a clean slate just because there has been a change of administrations. I do think that at least there is a chance we're all going to *have* a future--maybe even a good one--eventually. <-: -------------- "No such thing as destiny; only choices exist." From:  Moongarden's "Solaris." Back to top

Inkanta Group: Admins Posts: 1453 Joined: Feb. 2000 Posted: Jan. 21 2009, 22:50 Quote (Sir Mustapha @ Jan. 21 2009, 19:32) I also have to say: I'm downright scared of Sarah Palin. Hopefully she'll stay in Alaska. Poor wolves, though.  She was strategically placed on that ticket to add some gender diversity and generational diversity to counter the ethnic diversity of the other side. Initially, some Dems were angry that Hilary wasn't asked to be Obama's running mate, but IMHO the role she is going to play will be much more pivotal that she could have played as vice president. The power that Cheney had as vice president is most likely an anomaly (he should be hauled off to the Hague, too); future vp's won't have so much (part of it stemmed from the weakness of Bush). The Secretary of State's role is huge--and you're basically getting two thinking diplomats for the price of one. <-:  Sarah Palin is going to be all but forgotten--intelligence is going to be "in."    She is scary--I think she even scared McCain. -------------- "No such thing as destiny; only choices exist." From:  Moongarden's "Solaris." Back to top

moonchildhippy Group: Members Posts: 1807 Joined: Dec. 2004 Posted: Jan. 23 2009, 05:50 I'm so glad that Bush has gone.  I'm not sure quite what to make of Obama though, I think he'll be much  better than Bush, (can't be any worse), but I think Obama has a reputation to live up to, as he has been labelled as some kind of "Messiah".  One thing I don't understand is Presedent Obama's inaugeration ceremony on Tuesday cost $150,000, but many American citizens are struggling financially, and much of that money coul be better spent IMHO. Oh yes as for Bush, he along with Tony Blair should stand trial for war crimes. They lied and got Britain and the US into an illegal war, and killed many innocent civillians, and  troops. I knnow that many of the troops who survive often end up with combat related PTSD. I know my great grandad suffered PTSD as a result of army service in WW1 , and both my grandads suffered combat PTSD during WW2.   I know my boyfriend suffers as he's been involved in conflicts , I know that Northern Ireland was the most bloodiest battle fought on British soil.   I frind who I speak to on a mental health forum has suffered PTSD, (I've found out that he knows my boyfriend too, small world innit). my counsellor thinks I'm suffering PTSD, not combat related obviously, but it was knowing about all these experiences, and being so close to a combat PTSD sufferer, that I decided to get involved with The Royal British Legion.  I know the Legion are looking for younger people to join and to help out, I know this year they'll be short of people to collect for the Poppy Appeal. I think so many of the Legion members are elderly having fought during WW2, they're in their 80's and 90's. So I make this appeal for younger people to get involved. http://www.britishlegion.org.uk/ here's a page that explains combat PTSD http://www.combatstress.org.uk/ I think it's time to remove our boys and girls from Afghanistan and Iraq, before we loose anymore by sending them out in inadequate Snatch Land Rovers , here's a link to petition the government for an enquiryhttp://petitions.number10.gov.uk/SnatchLandRover/. This Brown/Blair government has blood of servicemen and women on it's hands.   Sorry for my rant there, but it's something I feel so passionately about. Now after all that seriousness time for me to stand down with some army style humour. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1sJqROHxjDA                   -------------- I'm going slightly mad, It finally happened, I'm slightly mad , just very slightly mad If you feel a little glum to Hergest Ridge you should come. I'm challenging  taboos surrounding mental health "Part time hippy" I'M SUPPORTING OUR SOLDIERS BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!! Back to top

moonchildhippy Group: Members Posts: 1807 Joined: Dec. 2004 Posted: Jan. 23 2009, 05:51 my Snatch Land Rover petition link didn't work, so here it is http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/SnatchLandRover/ -------------- I'm going slightly mad, It finally happened, I'm slightly mad , just very slightly mad If you feel a little glum to Hergest Ridge you should come. I'm challenging  taboos surrounding mental health "Part time hippy" I'M SUPPORTING OUR SOLDIERS BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!! Back to top

The Caveman Group: Members Posts: 2178 Joined: Jan. 2008 Posted: Jan. 23 2009, 08:57 Amen to all the above.If it wasn't for the fact that he was directly responsible for so many senseless and downright illegal deaths on both sides wherever on the planet he thought US and by default British (Blair is every bit as guilty IMO.Bush said jump and Blair said how high!)service personel should be,he'd be funny.The man was a walking time bomb and i really think he did not realise how hated he was.  There is no excuse for his conduct.Ok so it wasn't just him making the decissions but the final buck stopped with him.  He was totally inept,not to say downright stupid,and seemed to believe God was on his side!Oh really?I don't do Christianity as it's pretty much the opposite end of the spectrum to my own beliefs but does anyone really think that by claiming God had told him to do what he did all over the middle east it would win him support?  I am very pleased that Obama has succeeded as it represents a real milestone in civil rights.I just hope he's true to his word.I don't expect miracles from him but since American decisions have a direct consquence on the rest of the world it would be good to see someone with a half way decent sense of justice in charge. Rant over As for Sarah Palin?What can be said?A complete idiot who thinks it's perfectly ok to go hunting for polar bear/Wolves/anything with four legs and a pulse.How do you describe someone like that? -------------- THE COMING OF THE GREAT WHITE HANDKERCHEIF IS NIGH. Back to top

Bassman Group: Members Posts: 548 Joined: Feb. 2008 Posted: Jan. 23 2009, 11:56 ... You did just fine. Back to top

moonchildhippy Group: Members Posts: 1807 Joined: Dec. 2004 Posted: Jan. 23 2009, 12:09 Yes i agree  Caveman about Blair's comments about God being on his side. I think if that was any ordinary citizen that claimed God was on their side for committing crime they would be incarcerated under the Mental Health Act. It seems to me Blair was delusional, (so is Gordon if he thinks he can borrow his way out of debt). No doubt the "Thought Police" will be knocking on my door if they find out I'm speaking out against the government. Whatever happened to free speech in Britain. I hate any kind of religious extremism.  I think Blair and Bush escalated the terrorist risk to UK and US citizens, with their "War on Terror" .  I wonder why if Saddam was so high risk Geroge Bush Snr, didn't capture him first time around.  George W and his pal Tony lied about WMD to invade Iraq second time around. I think that Paganism and Christianity isn't as far removed as some people would think. Many churches are built on ancient Pagan places of worship, and many Christian festivals are pagan in origin. Eggs the beginning of animal life, were decorated in Pagan times, and this has carried over into Easter eggs.  Many Christmas customs decorating trees, holly , and Yule logs were Pagan symbols. I've considered myself Pagan for many years, but I also believe in Jesus. I think Jesus was a good guy, and I know if he was alive he would hate the idea of wars being fought in his name. Yes I agree with what you say about Sarah Palin, but I do feel the UK governments ban on foxhunting had nothing to do with welfare of foxes, more about banning an age old British tradition.  If the hunters were in it for the thrill of the chase then  I don't see why drag hunting wouldn't  be  acceptable answer.  I don't like the idea of killing animals for fun by hunting them, but I must admit I like the idea of this small Japanese 4x4 hunting Top Gear style http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=z8uOUBjsNz8 Doesn't Richard Hammond look sexy in that hunting gear         -------------- I'm going slightly mad, It finally happened, I'm slightly mad , just very slightly mad If you feel a little glum to Hergest Ridge you should come. I'm challenging  taboos surrounding mental health "Part time hippy" I'M SUPPORTING OUR SOLDIERS BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!! Back to top

The Caveman Group: Members Posts: 2178 Joined: Jan. 2008 Posted: Jan. 23 2009, 13:05 Totally agree.I do believe Jesus existed (although the name Jesus is Roman in origin)but i also believe he was Jewish and taught within the Jewish faith.Constantine has as much to do with Christianity as we know it as Jesus himself.Of course this is open to debate.And yes a lot of the dates coincide with pagan celebration as do a lot of the symbolism....again thank you Constantine.As far as the second coming goes i believe any man who was crucified would absolutely not want his 'symbol' to be the very thing that killed him! And yes i totally agree with you about foxhunting.I cannot stand such barbarisim and i simply cannot understand why certain people think it should be carried on.Drag hunting is fine by me.The horses and dogs get a good run and nothing gets torn apart at the end.  In some cases hunting is natural as it's a means of survival but in the western world which is a land of plenty essentially for the most part there is no need.  I shall climb down from my soap box now. -------------- THE COMING OF THE GREAT WHITE HANDKERCHEIF IS NIGH. Back to top

Sweetpea Group: Members Posts: 1476 Joined: April 2007 Posted: Jan. 23 2009, 19:35 How to make a Baracktail. I haven't tried it, but it sounds interesting. -------------- "I'm no physicist, but technically couldn't Mike both be with the horse and be flying through space at the same time? (On account of the earth's orbit around the Sun and all that). So it seems he never had to make the choice after all. I bet he's kicking himself now." - clotty Back to top

Dirk Star Group: Members Posts: 1331 Joined: Sep. 2007 Posted: Jan. 27 2009, 04:59 Quote (Sweetpea @ Jan. 24 2009, 00:35) How to make a Baracktail. I haven't tried it, but it sounds interesting. Quote Hawaiian hibiscus flowers infuse the syrup that sweetens and stains it. Would`nt you know it but I`m fresh out of hibiscus syrup at the moment.I must remember to pick up a jar on my next trip to Hawaii. Amusing advert from Veet as seen in     The Daily Telegraph. And check out the zoom on this 1,474-Megapixel photograph of Obama`s Inaugral Address...Photograph taken by this guy where he explains how it was done. Back to top

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